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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:22 pm 
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There's a huge bias against negativity in the world and positivity reigns supreme as the preeminent bully, even in this silly digital age. The savage nature of positivity has turned us into a species of special snowflakes, so now it's time to (respectfully) take off the gloves and talk about your least favourite drivers. I am sure we can do so without forcing the hands of the moderators as we here are a very well-behaved and uncontentious bunch.

I'll get us started.

Sergio Perez

A very good driver but with a nasty streak in him which rubbed me the wrong way against Ocon a couple of seasons back. The Sirotkin incident in Singapore also comes to mind.

Kevin Magnussen

Just a little bit of a bully generally and I actually enjoy his warrior spirit sometimes but ultimately he's on the fringes far too often. He's also a bit insensitive it would appear, with Guenther having to really put him in his place after KMag's contempt for the situation at the 2019 Canadian GP.

Last and definitely least is...

Romain Grosjean

Some of his exploits on track are utterly maddening and have a long history. The two most glaring examples are probably his bizarre incidents at the 2012 Belgian GP and the 2018 Spanish GP. Whilst a perfectly lovely chap, he whinges a lot and often looks for excuses when he is passed on track - and you can hear how exasperated his race engineer gets at times. Nobody can convince me that the comment "I think Ericsson hit us" in the 2018 Baku GP wasn't some kind of sick joke. :twisted:


Be nice, but also be mean.

Who are your three least favourite, ergo, your three most disliked drivers, on the grid?


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:40 pm 
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Stroll - Because regardless of performance he blocks a seat forever

Grosjean - Too much moaning

I don't really have any reason to dislike any of the others so I will say Bottas as he gives me no reason to like him either.

Historically my least favourite driver of recent times is probably Webber. A massive hypocrite with a chip on each shoulder. Prided himself for saying it as it is whilst doing nothing of the sort.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 9:08 pm 
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Hamilton was my favorite active F1 driver as recently as the first half of last season. Now I cringe every time he opens his mouth.

Gasley is a complete waste of space who needs to go. It's been a long time since such a good car was wasted on so little talent.

Grosjean is another driver who has had far too many chances. He should have been sent down for good when he drove a Lotus.

After all that negativity, I will say that I rather like Kimi Raikkonen, Daniel Kvyat, Daniel Ricciardo, Sebastian Vettel, and I've been amazed by Max Verstappen developing impulse control following Brazil last year.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 9:42 pm 
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Hamilton by the length of the straight: His constant radio whining makes the sport almost unwatchable. I know I’ve shared it before, but he is really becoming this Fry and Laurie sketch.



Vettel: Never really rated him even when he was winning the titles. I think he’s a flat track bully and needs everything going well for him to perform. When his backs against the wall, he’s error prone. Felt that way since his Fuji race when he ran into Webber in the wet under a safety car in TR. Also prone to whining.

Stroll: He like Maldonado, but more crash resistant


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You can also mention an inactive list if you'd like, along with a list for the active F1 drivers.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:34 pm 
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I honestly don't have 3 least favourite drivers. I like all the drivers, even if I have favs. However, I do have least favorite drivers on a race by race basis. Usually because of some knuckle-headed move they make or attempt. I want to see Hamilton break Michael's records - and for that matter I'd love watching Vettel, Verstappen, Leclerc or Ricciardo or any of the others do the same. It is a great sport.

But to join in the thread, I will answer as to my least favs in terms of the last race:

Leclerc - very shady move on Bottas, which took him out of the race. I thought at the time, if that had been Verstappen or Hamilton, his goose would be cooked, but as it was Bottas, he got clean away with it.

Giovinazzi - for his qualifying blunder on Stroll in qually.

Ricciardo/Perez - pick - I don't know who to blame in the end, having watched it a few times, but they messed each other up with their antics, so they get to tie for my least fav at the Hungarian GP


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I'll join in although I will try and be broadly constructive and not judge drivers for adrenaline fuelled radio messages in the heat of the moment.

Lance Stroll- Seems an ok chap, I just think he doesn't belong in F1 at this stage. He should have had a few F2 seasons to hone his skills. Single lap pace is utterly dismal.

K-Mag Not a bad driver by any means, but he seems to show very little respect for his peers when racing wheel to wheel. Sometimes borders on unsafe.

Last and most controversially Kimi RaikkonenA very good driver, but I'm not a fan of his antics. He can come across as very rude, his drunken shenanigans at the FIA gala made him look a bit oof an embarassment IMO.


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BMWSauber84 wrote:
I'll join in although I will try and be broadly constructive and not judge drivers for adrenaline fuelled radio messages in the heat of the moment.

Last and most controversially Kimi RaikkonenA very good driver, but I'm not a fan of his antics. He can come across as very rude, his drunken shenanigans at the FIA gala made him look a bit oof an embarassment IMO.


So instead of judging drivers by adrenaline fuelled radio messages in the heat of the moment, you judge them by their actions away from the track when they are trying to relax and celebrate :-P


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Currently it would probably be:
Robert Kubica - Taking up a seat that could go to a lot better driver from Formula E or Formula 2.
Romain Grosjean - He can be fast at times but doesn't deliver points with any regularity when his team mate does.
Lance Stroll - If not for daddy's money he would be driving Uber or Lyft.

Dishonorable mention goes to Pierre Gasly and Antonio Giovinazzi for under-performing their team mates so badly.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 3:05 am 
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Lance Stroll-Shouldn't be out there
Magnussen-Complete deuche
Gasly-Stands out like a sore thumb for all the wrong reasons


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:18 am 
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Grosjean, 3 times over.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:21 am 
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I am not locking this thread at the moment, in the interests of allowing free speech, but obviously this thread will be closely monitored as we do have rules regarding the conduct we expect of our forum members and this type of thread is essentially like carrying a bunch of lighted candles through a dynamite factory. Needless to say, if it ever shows any signs of going in such a direction it will be locked.

It is up to anyone who chooses to participate in this thread to conduct themselves accordingly and therefore if you break the rules you know what to expect.

Given the nature of this thead any 'edgy' language used in this thread will not be given the benefit of the doubt. And if you feel the need to ask question "does X count as edgy?" then the answer is probably yes.

On the other side, if you have come into this thread and see someone express they don't like your favourite driver... well every driver is going to be disliked by someone and that is the nature of entering this thread.

The fact that we are not locking it doesn't mean that we condone it, as I said, this is a forum and we don't want to discourage people to post.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:30 am 
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Mort Canard wrote:
Currently it would probably be:
Robert Kubica - Taking up a seat that could go to a lot better driver from Formula E or Formula 2.
Romain Grosjean - He can be fast at times but doesn't deliver points with any regularity when his team mate does.
Lance Stroll - If not for daddy's money he would be driving Uber or Lyft.

Dishonorable mention goes to Pierre Gasly and Antonio Giovinazzi for under-performing their team mates so badly.


To be fair to Grosjean, he has had 6 retirements vs 1 for Magnussen. Also Magnussen's only retirement was in Britain which I think the majority blamed him for. If you blamed Grosjean, then this is the only retirement, you can blame Grosjean for. It was reliability or contact that wasn't his fault that caused all the others.


Spain was the only race that they both finished, where Magnussen beat him. And the gap was large enough when Grosjean was ahead that Grosjean will have beaten him if it wasn't for the safety car.

In the 5 other races they both finished, Grosjean beat Magnussen. And Grosjean retired at some of the best races to score points, which is where Magnussen managed to get them. IMO, Grosjeans season is getting based on his past when he hasn't actually made many big mistakes this year. I really can't say Magnussen has been better. When they have both been finishing, 2 or 3 times, Magnussen has looks simply dreadful compared to Grosjean.


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I don’t dislike any of them really, the only driver I ever disliked was Schumacher and I even supported him in 2006 and for his comeback. Oh and I didn’t like Alonso circa late 2007-2008 period after the blackmail.

K-mag: on and off track
Grosjean: too many errors and whining
Kubica: love his comeback story but he is a waste of a seat now


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I have forgotten their names


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I have forgotten their names

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I have more than 3, is that allowed?

Bottas - too boring
Grosjean - too useless
Magnussen - too mouthy
Perez - too invisible
Stroll - too rich
Kubica - too past it

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:42 am 
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Life's too short to go around hating.

Have "favourites" if you must, but why be so negative ?

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I cant believe noone has said Verstappen....I doubt that would have been the case a couple of years ago.

I look at formula like a theater...I love to have different villians and heros in each race that I can cheer, boo and hiss at...im sure they are all great guys in person so I dont take it too seriously. 😊😊😊


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Hamilton. Although i reckon he has always been a **** even as a kid, he has taken it to a new level and i just see him as fake.

vettel. never rated him apart from when he has the fastest car from pole. the most error prone supposedly top driver i can remember. an slightly uprated massa.

probably verstappen as i dont have a great deal against him but he just has a bad attitude and takes not my fault to a new level.


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Maldonado x 3 😂


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Syholl wrote:
Maldonado x 3 😂


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Ruste13 wrote:
I cant believe noone has said Verstappen....I doubt that would have been the case a couple of years ago.

I look at formula like a theater...I love to have different villians and heros in each race that I can cheer, boo and hiss at...im sure they are all great guys in person so I dont take it too seriously. 😊😊😊


Verstappen would be part of my three, but like a few others I don't really dislike any of them.


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Hamilton. Although i reckon he has always been a **** even as a kid, he has taken it to a new level and i just see him as fake..

vettel. never rated him apart from when he has the fastest car from pole. the most error prone supposedly top driver i can remember. an slightly uprated massa.

probably verstappen as i dont have a great deal against him but he just has a bad attitude and takes not my fault to a new level.


I work with someone who taught Hamilton at school! He's never said anything about what Hamilton was like though.


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JN23 wrote:
Caserole of Nonsense wrote:
Hamilton. Although i reckon he has always been a **** even as a kid, he has taken it to a new level and i just see him as fake..

vettel. never rated him apart from when he has the fastest car from pole. the most error prone supposedly top driver i can remember. an slightly uprated massa.

probably verstappen as i dont have a great deal against him but he just has a bad attitude and takes not my fault to a new level.


I work with someone who taught Hamilton at school! He's never said anything about what Hamilton was like though.


Why wasn't this your first question to your colleague??? Before you even introduce yourself!


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Greenman wrote:
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Life's too short to go around hating.

Have "favourites" if you must, but why be so negative ?

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There have been countless thread about favourites. What is the issue with one discussing things that we do not like in drivers? As long as people keep it civil, I see no issue.

Plus, "least favourite" does not mean "hate".


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I don't really dislike any current driver. I've warmed to Max now that he has started to let his racing do the talking.

However, I had a think about which three drivers I wouldn't miss.

1 - Giovinazzi: I honestly think he is the slowest driver on the grid, excepting maybe Kubica. Gio only has a single point this year, his team mate Kimi has 31.

2 - Grosjean: Too many mistakes, at least Maldonado won a race.

3 - Magnussen: I'm tired of commentators defending his dirty racing. think Brundle said something like other drivers treat him "like the hind legs of a donkey". At this level that shouldn't be needed.

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Of the current crop...Grosjean, serially incompetent. Giovinazzi is just not F1 standard & Stroll, only there for one reason and it's not talent.


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Hamilton - He just rubs me the wrong way. He's so over the top. Every win is such a momentous feat and every loss is due to some ridiculousness like a sore throat.
On a side note what was with Lewis trying to hide his hair yesterday? Waiting for the break to renew his hair plugs? Anyone else notice this?

Stroll - he's not good but his dad is rich. Id like to see deserving drivers get a chance.

Kubica - The Cinderella story is over. The car is bad but he is worse. Lets see someone new.


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I don't dislike any of the current crop.

As for the past, well, although I enjoyed their on track racing, off track I found Montoya and J Villeneuve bloody annoying.

I also find Hamilton's radio messages annoying but that in no way makes me dislike him. I also get the feeling we currently hear more from him during races than most other drivers so I am not sure it's fair to assume he's the only one that seems to moan about everything when things aren't going 100% for him.

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There have been very few drivers over the years that I'd say I've disliked, Alonso being one following his antics in his first spell at McLaren. I always appreciated his talent however.

Other than that, I generally struggle to warm to drivers who earn and maintain their race seats through factors other than talent (e.g. Lance Stroll) and the British drivers who aren't that good but get far too much hype from the British media here (e.g. Jolyon Palmer).


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I like them all. Any one of them can out-drive anyone you know, and quite easily. They are under perpetual intense pressure and must perform. They crash, they get criticized, they win, they get criticized. And fans can go sideways just because. It is easier being a porn star, at least someone is satisfied at the end of each day.

I live in a positive world, my three all-time favorite drivers are Tazio Nuvolari, Gilles Villeneuve, and Jimmy Clark.

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JN23 wrote:
Caserole of Nonsense wrote:
Hamilton. Although i reckon he has always been a **** even as a kid, he has taken it to a new level and i just see him as fake. ".

vettel. never rated him apart from when he has the fastest car from pole. the most error prone supposedly top driver i can remember. an slightly uprated massa.

probably verstappen as i dont have a great deal against him but he just has a bad attitude and takes not my fault to a new level.


I work with someone who taught Hamilton at school! He's never said anything about what Hamilton was like though.


Poor guy probably has PTSD and doesn’t want to utter his name. Could you imagine hearing things like.
“Sir, I don’t think 1 + 1 = 2. I have serious doubts about that addition..”

“Sir, I have 5 minutes until the end of the exam. My pencil is running out of lead. I have to change pencils sir.”

“Sir, 2 minutes to go, you have to let me change pencils sir!”

“You’re making a big mistake sir, I hope this doesn’t cost me and A! How much time do I have sir? I need to change strategy! Should I skip grammar and go to multiple choice? How far is Timmy through his test? Come on sir!”


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Lewis Hamilton - his ego is tastelessly super big, and I specially dislike that kind of people. His running mouth has already put him in trouble more than any other driver. His saying that, when beating his rivals, inflicting the pain on them makes it more enjoyable for him, reveals that deep inside him there is something wrong and dark.

Sergio Perez - makes jokes on "stupid blondes", drops the sponsor who jokingly mentioned Mexicans. Double faced cheep guy, in my view.

Fernando Alonso - his ego stands out very prominently, which, as I said, I specially dislike as the human trait. He was such a sore loser in 2010 when he turned his car toward Petrov at the end of the championship.

Honorable mention to Didier Pironi, who, in the time when knighthood was a norm, became an example of shameful cheater.

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Honorable mention to Didier Pironi, who, in the time when knighthood was a norm, became an example of shameful cheater.


It should read, "dishonorable mention to Didier Pironi..."

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I do not dislike any of the drivers, but there are those who annoy me because I don't think they belong on the grid.

For me I'd say the top three is Gasly, Kubica and Giovanazzi.


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Vettel, Stroll and Kubica

My opinion is that finger-boy is massively over-rated (the finger doesnt help his case either). Let me explain - I think in the early days, his talent was flattered by the exhaust blown diffuser of the Red Bull. He did, in all fairness, master the driving style to extract the maximum out of it. There were a hand full of races where the Red Bull didnt have an EBD (engine maps got banned, of throttle blowing got banned etc) and we saw Webber level pegging with Vettel. Since EBDs were banned, hes never been on the same level.

Stroll I dont feel truly belongs in an F1 car and is only where he is due to his Dad's pockets.

Kubica is only where his due to nostalgia. Hes not the driver he could / should have been because of his accident and never will be.


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Maldonado x 3 😂


You're kidding I'd love to see Maldonado return, for entertainment value it would be like a wet race every race.


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I'm an Alonso fan, what can I say

1. Vettel - I haven't ever been able to escape the feeling that he was flattered by a dominant car and a second rate teammate when he won all those titles and broke all those records. 2014 and his latter Ferrari years appear to support what I've always believed. I would have always said I disliked Hamilton more until Baku '17 happened, coupled with Hungary '17. In one race Vettel saw red and drove his car into Hamilton's; in the other Hamilton gave his podium place back to Bottas as promised (which brought back negative memories of Multi 21). I figured, you know what, Hamilton isn't a prick behind the wheel, whereas Vettel kinda is. I can't deny that outside of the car Vettel has a great personality, he's genuinely a very funny guy

2. Hamilton - 2007, say no more. I think he's one of the greatest drivers to ever drive a Formula 1 car but I'd only be delighted if he never won a race again. I quite enjoyed the Rosberg years but I've been pretty glum with Bottas as his teammate

3. Magnussen - I think I can finally say I'm sick to death of this guy and his dodgy racing. At the start I thought it was interesting to get an old school, elbows out racer but honestly if he was driving back in the old school days he would have caused serious harm to himself or someone else by now. This fella doesn't care about respect, boundaries, etiquette, agreements, you name it. His method of racing works elsewhere but F1 isn't the place for it

Notable mention: Grosjean - I don't actually dislike Grosjean. I just think we've seen everything he has to offer. Please Haas, it's gotta be the end of the road once and for all. I would gladly watch Grosjean tackle a different discipline, be it FE, NASCAR, IndyCar, whatever. But his F1 seat badly needs a fresh name in it

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