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I haven't been following drivers standings that closely this season, but I just noticed that with 58 points Calros Sainz is by far the "best of the rest" and in 7th place in the WDC. His teammate, Lando Norris, currently sits at 24 and the next driver after Sainz is Kvyat with only 33. It hasn't been a mistake free season for Sainz and he started it with three straight races out of the points, but he has been quite stellar aside from that, and the points tally doesn't lie - he brought great results for the team. I am dedicating a thread to him because he seems to fly very much under the radar and is one of the least talked about drivers on the grid.


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I haven't been following drivers standings that closely this season, but I just noticed that with 58 points Calros Sainz is by far the "best of the rest" and in 7th place in the WDC. His teammate, Lando Norris, currently sits at 24 and the next driver after Sainz is Kvyat with only 33. It hasn't been a mistake free season for Sainz and he started it with three straight races out of the points, but he has been quite stellar aside from that, and the points tally doesn't lie - he brought great results for the team. I am dedicating a thread to him because he seems to fly very much under the radar and is one of the least talked about drivers on the grid.


He's doing OK but he is also being matched and outqualifued by a rookie. Norris has lost a huge amount of points to bad luck.

That rarely happens to an experienced driver having a great season. I think he's being flattered by the car. Put him in a Racing Point getting matched by Norris and I think he'd be getting panned.


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He is doing very well. I certainly believe that the Macca is much improved and is also best of the rest but Sainz has largely been maximising his results. Norris should probably be a lot closer but he has suffered some misfortune and less-than-optimal strategy at times. Don't get me wrong, Sainz has not been free of bad luck himself but I still think that Norris has had the lion's share in that respect. Between them, they have barely put a foot wrong.
Sainz has shown promise since day one. He had a few iffy races in his earlier years but has really shone this season thus far.

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I haven't been following drivers standings that closely this season, but I just noticed that with 58 points Calros Sainz is by far the "best of the rest" and in 7th place in the WDC. His teammate, Lando Norris, currently sits at 24 and the next driver after Sainz is Kvyat with only 33. It hasn't been a mistake free season for Sainz and he started it with three straight races out of the points, but he has been quite stellar aside from that, and the points tally doesn't lie - he brought great results for the team. I am dedicating a thread to him because he seems to fly very much under the radar and is one of the least talked about drivers on the grid.


He's doing OK but he is also being matched and outqualifued by a rookie. Norris has lost a huge amount of points to bad luck.

That rarely happens to an experienced driver having a great season. I think he's being flattered by the car. Put him in a Racing Point getting matched by Norris and I think he'd be getting panned.


Nail on the head! out of the 2 I would say Norris is a fraction better!


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I think both McLaren drivers are having a decent season and are pretty well matched, it’s just that Norris can’t catch a break.

Hydraulic failure in France
Safety car ruined his strategy in Silverstone
Suspension failure in Canada
Engine failure in Spa
Engine failure in Germany

I reckon that cost him about 40 odd points through no fault of his own.

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I think both McLaren drivers are having a decent season and are pretty well matched, it’s just that Norris can’t catch a break.

Hydraulic failure in France
Safety car ruined his strategy in Silverstone
Suspension failure in Canada
Engine failure in Spa
Engine failure in Germany

I reckon that cost him about 40 odd points through no fault of his own.


Yep, I actually think Norris has been performing better which is why it baffles me how highly Sainz seems to be getting rated. To be out performed by a rookie a driver usually has to be pretty poor.


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mikeyg123 wrote:
Banana Man wrote:
I think both McLaren drivers are having a decent season and are pretty well matched, it’s just that Norris can’t catch a break.

Hydraulic failure in France
Safety car ruined his strategy in Silverstone
Suspension failure in Canada
Engine failure in Spa
Engine failure in Germany

I reckon that cost him about 40 odd points through no fault of his own.


Yep, I actually think Norris has been performing better which is why it baffles me how highly Sainz seems to be getting rated. To be out performed by a rookie a driver usually has to be pretty poor.


Even if his teammate is better, and Norris does appear to be quicker, at least in qualifying, doesn't mean that Sainz can't be having a good season by his standards. I think expectation for Norris were always very high whereas for Sainz, not so much.


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I think mclaren have a solid pair of drivers, are doing great in terms of improvements and are starting to show the DNA that made them great.

I would love them to be pushing red bull again,


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SmoothRide wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
Banana Man wrote:
I think both McLaren drivers are having a decent season and are pretty well matched, it’s just that Norris can’t catch a break.

Hydraulic failure in France
Safety car ruined his strategy in Silverstone
Suspension failure in Canada
Engine failure in Spa
Engine failure in Germany

I reckon that cost him about 40 odd points through no fault of his own.


Yep, I actually think Norris has been performing better which is why it baffles me how highly Sainz seems to be getting rated. To be out performed by a rookie a driver usually has to be pretty poor.


Even if his teammate is better, and Norris does appear to be quicker, at least in qualifying, doesn't mean that Sainz can't be having a good season by his standards. I think expectation for Norris were always very high whereas for Sainz, not so much.


Why is that then? His dad was a multiple world champion two times and four times runner up.


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SmoothRide wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
Banana Man wrote:
I think both McLaren drivers are having a decent season and are pretty well matched, it’s just that Norris can’t catch a break.

Hydraulic failure in France
Safety car ruined his strategy in Silverstone
Suspension failure in Canada
Engine failure in Spa
Engine failure in Germany

I reckon that cost him about 40 odd points through no fault of his own.


Yep, I actually think Norris has been performing better which is why it baffles me how highly Sainz seems to be getting rated. To be out performed by a rookie a driver usually has to be pretty poor.


Even if his teammate is better, and Norris does appear to be quicker, at least in qualifying, doesn't mean that Sainz can't be having a good season by his standards. I think expectation for Norris were always very high whereas for Sainz, not so much.


We wouldn't normally expect an experienced midfield guy like Sainz to look slower than a rookie. That's pretty rare. I'd say most people expected Sainz to look better against Norris than he has. Sainz is being consistent and doing OK but he's being flattered by a better than expected car.


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mikeyg123 wrote:
We wouldn't normally expect an experienced midfield guy like Sainz to look slower than a rookie. That's pretty rare. I'd say most people expected Sainz to look better against Norris than he has. Sainz is being consistent and doing OK but he's being flattered by a better than expected car.

I think it says more about Norris than Sainz to be honest. Norris is looking almost as good (arguably better, at least in qualifying) against Sainz as Max did - and Sainz isn't a rookie anymore. I think Norris is being seriously underrated this year.

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I can see Lando Norris getting replaced by rojo or the hulk.

Its fair to say hes just not top team stuff

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I can see Lando Norris getting replaced by rojo or the hulk.

Its fair to say hes just not top team stuff


Now that's a big call, especially since he just re-signed for Macca for another 3 years.

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lord byron wrote:
I can see Lando Norris getting replaced by rojo or the hulk.

Its fair to say hes just not top team stuff


An astonishingly bad take.


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lord byron wrote:
I can see Lando Norris getting replaced by rojo or the hulk.

Its fair to say hes just not top team stuff


What a weird statement. 8O


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lord byron wrote:
I can see Lando Norris getting replaced by rojo or the hulk.

Its fair to say hes just not top team stuff


I must have woken up on the wrong side of the bed this morning but I don't recognize "ROJO"??????

Little help???

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Grosjean?


That's usually RoGro. :?

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lord byron wrote:
I can see Lando Norris getting replaced by rojo or the hulk.

Its fair to say hes just not top team stuff

An astonishingly bad take.

+1

What an odd thing to say.

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Exediron wrote:
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lord byron wrote:
I can see Lando Norris getting replaced by rojo or the hulk.

Its fair to say hes just not top team stuff

An astonishingly bad take.

+1

What an odd thing to say.


Agreed!!! :thumbup: :nod:

Lord Byron may be a great poet but obviously know nothing about Formula 1. :nod:

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Mort Canard wrote:
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Grosjean?


That's usually RoGro. :?


J and G are often confused, I have no idea actually, just guessing, at least I recognise Norris has significant talent though!


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Option or Prime wrote:
Mort Canard wrote:
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That's usually RoGro. :?


J and G are often confused, I have no idea actually, just guessing, at least I recognise Norris has significant talent though!


Norris has significant talent and (barring extraordinary circumstances) a lock on that seat at McLaren for about 3 years. ...or at least one would think.

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Mort Canard wrote:
Option or Prime wrote:
Mort Canard wrote:
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Grosjean?


That's usually RoGro. :?


J and G are often confused, I have no idea actually, just guessing, at least I recognise Norris has significant talent though!


Norris has significant talent and (barring extraordinary circumstances) a lock on that seat at McLaren for about 3 years. ...or at least one would think.


Maybe Ferrari will buy out his contract for him to replace Vettel for 2021 or 2022 ;)


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JN23 wrote:
Mort Canard wrote:
Option or Prime wrote:
Mort Canard wrote:
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Grosjean?


That's usually RoGro. :?


J and G are often confused, I have no idea actually, just guessing, at least I recognise Norris has significant talent though!


Norris has significant talent and (barring extraordinary circumstances) a lock on that seat at McLaren for about 3 years. ...or at least one would think.


Maybe Ferrari will buy out his contract for him to replace Vettel for 2021 or 2022 ;)


I think that seat is being reserved for the young Schumi.

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Mort Canard wrote:
JN23 wrote:
Mort Canard wrote:
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Mort Canard wrote:

That's usually RoGro. :?


J and G are often confused, I have no idea actually, just guessing, at least I recognise Norris has significant talent though!


Norris has significant talent and (barring extraordinary circumstances) a lock on that seat at McLaren for about 3 years. ...or at least one would think.


Maybe Ferrari will buy out his contract for him to replace Vettel for 2021 or 2022 ;)


I think that seat is being reserved for the young Schumi.


He won't be in F1 until 2021 at the earliest though and that will be probably be with Alfa so they might replace Vettel before Mick Schumacher is ready.

*I'm assuming Vettel leaves Ferrari once his current contract is up at the end of next year.


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Mort Canard wrote:
I think that seat is being reserved for the young Schumi.


He'll have to buck his ideas up a tad to even get into F1. Winning a reverse grid race at a circuit notoriously difficult for overtaking is one thing but in a pretty weak F2 field he hasn't exactly shone. In feature races, which translate closest to an F1 format, his only points are two 8th place finishes.

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