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Which driver won each intrateam battle at Monza?
Poll ended at Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:00 am
Hamilton 7%  7%  [ 21 ]
Bottas 3%  3%  [ 10 ]
Vettel 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Leclerc 11%  11%  [ 31 ]
Verstappen 1%  1%  [ 4 ]
Albon 9%  9%  [ 27 ]
Ricciardo 10%  10%  [ 29 ]
Hulkenberg 1%  1%  [ 2 ]
Magnussen 7%  7%  [ 21 ]
Grosjean 1%  1%  [ 4 ]
Sainz 6%  6%  [ 16 ]
Norris 4%  4%  [ 12 ]
Perez 7%  7%  [ 19 ]
Stroll 3%  3%  [ 8 ]
Raikkonen 3%  3%  [ 8 ]
Giovinazzi 7%  7%  [ 20 ]
Gasly 2%  2%  [ 6 ]
Kvyat 8%  8%  [ 22 ]
Russell 9%  9%  [ 27 ]
Kubica 0%  0%  [ 1 ]
Total votes : 288
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:00 am 
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Let's start with the TMW results from Belgium, a weekend altogether overshadowed by tragedy, and one where the drivers were tested to their emotional limits as much as anything else. A bit of a condensed update here as I've been on holiday the past week so haven't had a chance to watch the race, so for the most part I'm generalising and focusing on the season as a whole rather than touching specifically on the performances at Spa.

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Mercedes
TMW race winner: Hamilton (100%)
Hamilton 10 - 3 Bottas
Hamilton 75% - 25% Bottas

2019 has fast become a repeat of 2018 at Mercedes. A relatively competitive first couple of races has been followed up by Hamilton dominance, no better emphasised than Lewis taking his fourth straight TMW win and consigning Bottas to a second race in a row with 0 votes. It is now 10-3 to the soon-to-be 6 time WDC, and with a seven race advantage and only eight races to go, we're at the point where we can start saying Lewis is on the cusp of comfortably defeating Bottas in the TMW vote for the second year in a row.

Ferrari
TMW race winner: Leclerc (92%)
Vettel 8 - 5 Leclerc
Vettel 48% - 52% Leclerc

Having finally got the monkey off his back and claimed his first win, Charles Leclerc also takes back the percentage lead in the TMW vote. After Vettel's early dominance of the vote - enjoying a 6-1 lead after the Canadian grand prix - Leclerc has now hit back with 4 TMW wins in the last six races to reduce the deficit down to three. I don't think I'm influencing anyone's vote when I say that it'll be just two after this vote is done and dusted, and with Vettel continuing to look out of sorts, we could yet see Charles overturn that completely.

Red Bull
TMW race winner: Albon (96%)
Verstappen 0 - 1 Albon
Verstappen 4% - 96% Albon

After whitewashing Pierre Gasly all the way back to Toro Rosso, Max Verstappen finds himself in the usual situation of actually trailing in a TMW vote! A bit of a disaster in Belgium sees Alex Albon jump out to a surprise 1-0 lead, and only a homer vote for Max prevents his new teammate from opening up with a 100% vote.

Renault
TMW race winner: Ricciardo (68%)
Ricciardo 9 - 4 Hulkenberg
Ricciardo 54% - 46% Hulkenberg

Also edging closer to taking the TMW spoils for 2019 is Daniel Ricciardo. A slender (by PF1 TMW standards, anyway) victory at Spa allows him to put a stop to Nico's brief resurgence, extending his lead back up to five races and meaning only a very strong finish to the year from The Hulk is going to stop him.

Haas
TMW race winner: Magnussen (55%)
Magnussen 9 - 4 Grosjean
Magnussen 60% - 40% Grosjean

Haas continue to be ridiculously close in each vote. For the fourth race in a row there are only a couple of votes between them (16-14, 14-16, 16-12 and now 11-9) and for the third time in that sequence, it's K-Mag who just edges ahead. Given the likelihood of Nico Hulkenberg making the move to the American team in 2019, these small margins cannot be underestimated, and while I somehow doubt Haas are making their decision based on the PF1 TMW vote, if they are seeing things the same way that we all are then it does not bode well for Grosjean.

McLaren
TMW race winner: Norris (100%)
Sainz 8 - 5 Norris
Sainz 52% - 48% Norris

A big race for Lando Norris sees him leave Carlos Sainz voteless for the first time in 2019. It won't do much to console him after he saw a 5th place finish slip away at the last moment, but it does leave him just three TMW votes behind the Spaniard, as well as reducing the percentage split to a near 50/50 share.

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TMW race winner: Perez (100%)
Perez 10 - 3 Stroll
Perez 64% - 36% Stroll

Another driver who can see the TMW victory in his sights is Sergio Perez. A fifth TMW win in six races leaves the Mexican peddler on the cusp, seven wins ahead with eight votes left.

Alfa Romeo
TMW race winner: Raikkonen (63%)
Raikkonen 12 - 1 Giovinazzi
Raikkonen 91% - 9% Giovinazzi

With the Verstappen/Gasly battle called off early, it's now down to Kimi and George Russell to see who can claim the largest TMW victory of 2019. Kimi took another step towards that honour by seeing off Giovinazzi at Spa, something that could've been very different had Gio not binned it from a points paying position with a couple of laps to go.

Toro Rosso
TMW race winner: Kvyat (83%)
Gasly 0 - 1 Kvyat
Gasly 17% - 83% Kvyat

Having defeated Alex Albon by virtue of the percentage tiebreaker, Daniil Kvyat is up-and-running against new teammate Pierre Gasly. Considering there is a seat at Red Bull still potentially available, the Toro Rosso pair's form against each other is going to be important, particularly if Alex Albon starts struggling.

Williams
TMW race winner: Russell (95%)
Russell 12 - 1 Kubica
Russell 87% - 13% Kubica

As mentioned above, we're left with George Russell vs Kimi Raikkonen to see who can claim the most decisive TMW win of 2019. Russell continues to keep himself in the mix with another comfortable TMW victory, keeping pace with Kimi at 12-1, although still a couple of percentage down on the season.

TMW winners so far:

Max Verstappen over Pierre Gasly (12-0, 97%)
Daniil Kvyat over Alex Albon (6-6, 57%)
Kimi Raikkonen over Antonio Giovinazzi
George Russell over Robert Kubica

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:48 pm 
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Albon is going to be 2-0 up on Verstappen!

The rest going as I expected but a little surprised to See Kvyat not having a bigger advantage over Gasly.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:28 pm 
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JN23 wrote:
Albon is going to be 2-0 up on Verstappen!

The rest going as I expected but a little surprised to See Kvyat not having a bigger advantage over Gasly.

Did anyone notice how the lap times generally compared between the Red Bull drivers? I got a sense that Max closed the gap to Albon steadily over the course of the race but wasn't watching that closely? Take the start out of the equation and I assume that Verstappen did show more consistent pace?


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:32 pm 
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WHoff78 wrote:
JN23 wrote:
Albon is going to be 2-0 up on Verstappen!

The rest going as I expected but a little surprised to See Kvyat not having a bigger advantage over Gasly.

Did anyone notice how the lap times generally compared between the Red Bull drivers? I got a sense that Max closed the gap to Albon steadily over the course of the race but wasn't watching that closely? Take the start out of the equation and I assume that Verstappen did show more consistent pace?

Albon lost time trying to hang his car outside Sainz and later copped a penalty for passing Magnussen off-circuit. That will have had some impact. Not sure otherwise but Verstappen did make decent progress.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:10 pm 
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A few tricky ones due to circumstance, but mostly straightforward.

Hamilton over Bottas -- Finished behind only because he spent so long trying to pass Leclerc. When Bottas made his own abortive attempt, the class difference between teammates was clear.
Leclerc over Vettel -- Need I say more? No.
Albon over Verstappen -- This is purely because Max ruined his own race at turn one. His pace was much more impressive, and without the nose change I think he would have finished ahead.
Sainz over Norris -- Looked quicker in general, and robbed of a good result through no fault of his own.
Ricciardo over Hulkenberg -- The VSC may have exaggerated the size of the gap, but the Honey Badger shaded the Hulk solidly all weekend.
Kvyat over Gasly -- Honestly, Kvyat looked like the best of all four Red Bull drivers in the race.
Stroll over Perez -- Boneheaded mistake after being punted by Vettel aside, looked the quicker driver and deserved a much better outcome.
Giovinazzi over Raikkonen -- This one was a hard call, but in the end I went for good 'ol Joe because he had a good race. Still think Kimi's penalty was asinine.
Magnussen over Grosjean -- It's hard to even tell what's going on with Haas anymore, but KMag looked a little quicker.
Russel over Kubica -- As per usual.

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Exediron wrote:
A few tricky ones due to circumstance, but mostly straightforward.

Hamilton over Bottas -- Finished behind only because he spent so long trying to pass Leclerc. When Bottas made his own abortive attempt, the class difference between teammates was clear.
Leclerc over Vettel -- Need I say more? No.
Albon over Verstappen -- This is purely because Max ruined his own race at turn one. His pace was much more impressive, and without the nose change I think he would have finished ahead.
Sainz over Norris -- Looked quicker in general, and robbed of a good result through no fault of his own.
Ricciardo over Hulkenberg -- The VSC may have exaggerated the size of the gap, but the Honey Badger shaded the Hulk solidly all weekend.
Kvyat over Gasly -- Honestly, Kvyat looked like the best of all four Red Bull drivers in the race.
Stroll over Perez -- Boneheaded mistake after being punted by Vettel aside, looked the quicker driver and deserved a much better outcome.
Giovinazzi over Raikkonen -- This one was a hard call, but in the end I went for good 'ol Joe because he had a good race. Still think Kimi's penalty was asinine.
Magnussen over Grosjean -- It's hard to even tell what's going on with Haas anymore, but KMag looked a little quicker.
Russel over Kubica -- As per usual.

Sorry to mention yet more about Bottas and Hamilton, but I still have to question why Hamilton couldn't get by when he was on brand new softer tyres than Leclerc when they both pitted if Bottas was expected to at the end. Surely Hmilton had an advantage? I know Hamilton was far better at sticking on Leclerc, but doing this resulted in losing a position. I have only votd Bottas over Hamilton the 3 times he won the TMWs but I feel i may this time though expect to be in the minority. Though the same looks to be the case for Stroll and I think I will be going for him to.


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Bottas
Leclerc
Albon
Sainz
Ricciardo
Kvyat
Stroll
Magnussen
Russell

Need to look back at the race to work out if I think Giovinazzi outperformed Kimi. The didn't show any of it from what I remember. Haven't voted yet as I still need to concider this one.


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Stroll out performed Perez? Usually if someone makes a mistake that's pretty much game over in your book?


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:29 am 
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mikeyg123 wrote:
Stroll out performed Perez? Usually if someone makes a mistake that's pretty much game over in your book?

His mistake basically only hapened because of Vettel. His fault still, but despite loosing a load of time getting bumped off the circuit, and a further 20 for the penalty, he only finished 25 sconds behind Perez. He looked to have better pace te whole race to me. Perez also crashed in practice and overall i think Stroll had a bette weekend. He also looked solid in qualifying as he has here in the past.


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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
Stroll out performed Perez? Usually if someone makes a mistake that's pretty much game over in your book?

His mistake basically only hapened because of Vettel. His fault still, but despite loosing a load of time getting bumped off the circuit, and a further 20 for the penalty, he only finished 25 sconds behind Perez. He looked to have better pace te whole race to me. Perez also crashed in practice and overall i think Stroll had a bette weekend. He also looked solid in qualifying as he has here in the past.


He was right behind Perez when his penalty was served and ended up further back than 20 seconds so he was clearly a bit slower over the second half of the race... And he made mistake.

Perez on the other hand came from the back of the grid to the points. He drove a good race.


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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
Stroll out performed Perez? Usually if someone makes a mistake that's pretty much game over in your book?

His mistake basically only hapened because of Vettel. His fault still, but despite loosing a load of time getting bumped off the circuit, and a further 20 for the penalty, he only finished 25 sconds behind Perez. He looked to have better pace te whole race to me. Perez also crashed in practice and overall i think Stroll had a bette weekend. He also looked solid in qualifying as he has here in the past.


If Stroll had more pace it's because he's on Spec 3 whereas Perez is on Spec 2.

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UnlikeUday wrote:
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
Stroll out performed Perez? Usually if someone makes a mistake that's pretty much game over in your book?

His mistake basically only hapened because of Vettel. His fault still, but despite loosing a load of time getting bumped off the circuit, and a further 20 for the penalty, he only finished 25 sconds behind Perez. He looked to have better pace te whole race to me. Perez also crashed in practice and overall i think Stroll had a bette weekend. He also looked solid in qualifying as he has here in the past.


If Stroll had more pace it's because he's on Spec 3 whereas Perez is on Spec 2.


There is also that which I had forgotten.


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mikeyg123 wrote:
UnlikeUday wrote:
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
Stroll out performed Perez? Usually if someone makes a mistake that's pretty much game over in your book?

His mistake basically only hapened because of Vettel. His fault still, but despite loosing a load of time getting bumped off the circuit, and a further 20 for the penalty, he only finished 25 sconds behind Perez. He looked to have better pace te whole race to me. Perez also crashed in practice and overall i think Stroll had a bette weekend. He also looked solid in qualifying as he has here in the past.


If Stroll had more pace it's because he's on Spec 3 whereas Perez is on Spec 2.


There is also that which I had forgotten.


Checo said the spec 3 engine was worth three tenths of a lap in race pace as well. Stroll did a great job as well & was poised finishing close to Checo in points. It could've been his best weekend of the year.

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Hamilton
Leclerc
Albon
Ricciardo
Magnussen
Norris
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Giovinazzi
Kvyat
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