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Shame I was hoping he was going to sell for a quick buck but it seems he wants to become a mear milioner by the time he buys a controlling stake in astin

Just means jnrs seat is guaranteed for life regardless of where they finish. And if i was perez id be looking for a new home for 2021

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Stroll is guaranteed a drive for life anyway. Most other drivers I would worry about but Perez doesn't suffer fools and is pretty powerful in his own right. I don't think he would have signed his long term contract with RP if he thought there was any chance of Stroll getting preferential treatment. If it starts he's the sort of man who would be quick to make a fuss about it as well.


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I read someone's content on a F1 news website that Lance will have 1 more year to get upto speed. It's clear to see by everyone including Lawrence that Lance's inability cost Racing Point heavy in WCC standings.

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Uh, wait... Just when Red Bull (errrr, sorry... Aston Martin Red Bull) are now contending for race wins, someone thinks AM wants to sponsor a mid-pack team, or that Red Bull will surrender its sponsorship deal with AM?

I suppose L.Stroll could buy both teams. That would make as much sense as buying one team so your offspring can drive. Oooops, never mind. :lol:


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If the deal goes through and tbh can't see it not happening as he this its a steal to buy their shares, so the Aston Martin Red Bull deal would probably be bought out

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I suppose L.Stroll could buy both teams. That would make as much sense as buying one team so your offspring can drive. Oooops, never mind. :lol:

Dietrich Mateschitz is a sizable amount richer than Stroll, so I don't suppose that one would go anywhere Lawrence wants it to go.

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What is Aston's involvement with RB at the moment? Apart from the collaboration in the Valkyrie and all, in F1 terms, are they just sponsoring them or what?

I would imagine that if Stroll made a bid and won, then that would be some conflict of interest. Or maybe Mateschitz would buy Aston himself (although why would he, it looks like they are in dire straits at the moment).


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If this deal works, doesn't Stroll have to do it soon? I mean getting the team & livery changed needs permission from all other teams as well as the FIA? The new season, especially pre-season test starts in February which makes it lesser time for the formalities to complete?

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Shame I was hoping he was going to sell for a quick buck but it seems he wants to become a mear milioner by the time he buys a controlling stake in astin

Just means jnrs seat is guaranteed for life regardless of where they finish. And if i was perez id be looking for a new home for 2021

https://www.racefans.net/2019/12/05/ast ... -point-f1/

I guess you don't understand the level of commitment Lawrence Stroll is making to his F1 team, the expansion of the premises etc, this is not a get rich quick operation.

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I read someone's content on a F1 news website that Lance will have 1 more year to get upto speed. It's clear to see by everyone including Lawrence that Lance's inability cost Racing Point heavy in WCC standings.

That's interesting I thought Lance might get a 5 year stay of grace, this is a serious F1 team and Lawrence himself has partners to answer to.

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lord byron wrote:
Shame I was hoping he was going to sell for a quick buck but it seems he wants to become a mear milioner by the time he buys a controlling stake in astin

Just means jnrs seat is guaranteed for life regardless of where they finish. And if i was perez id be looking for a new home for 2021

https://www.racefans.net/2019/12/05/ast ... -point-f1/

I guess you don't understand the level of commitment Lawrence Stroll is making to his F1 team, the expansion of the premises etc, this is not a get rich quick operation.



Oh I do sir, But it's a combination of things why he is investing so may well because he has to the building and its equipment might not have seen investment in years so in F1 terms could be out of date soon so in a roundabout way has to spend.

But unless your name is Dietrich or someone with big backing like say merc honda vw etc etc.

The cash he is spending compared to others spend is chicken feed

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lord byron wrote:
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lord byron wrote:
Shame I was hoping he was going to sell for a quick buck but it seems he wants to become a mear milioner by the time he buys a controlling stake in astin

Just means jnrs seat is guaranteed for life regardless of where they finish. And if i was perez id be looking for a new home for 2021

https://www.racefans.net/2019/12/05/ast ... -point-f1/

I guess you don't understand the level of commitment Lawrence Stroll is making to his F1 team, the expansion of the premises etc, this is not a get rich quick operation.



Oh I do sir, But it's a combination of things why he is investing so may well because he has to the building and its equipment might not have seen investment in years so in F1 terms could be out of date soon so in a roundabout way has to spend.

But unless your name is Dietrich or someone with big backing like say merc honda vw etc etc.

The cash he is spending compared to others spend is chicken feed

That's sounds a bit like if you can't win then why bother which also would apply to most teams on the grid.

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What is Aston's involvement with RB at the moment? Apart from the collaboration in the Valkyrie and all, in F1 terms, are they just sponsoring them or what?

I would imagine that if Stroll made a bid and won, then that would be some conflict of interest. Or maybe Mateschitz would buy Aston himself (although why would he, it looks like they are in dire straits at the moment).

That's a term that is used far too liberally when speaking of the Valkyrie project.



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Aston Martin has confirmed it has been having talks with potential investors. They said:

'The Company confirms that it is reviewing its funding requirements and various funding options. It is also engaged in early stage discussions with potential strategic investors in relation to building longer term relationships which may or may not involve an equity investment.

A further announcement will be made as and when appropriate.'
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As per the rumours going about in the past few weeks about Lawrence Stroll planning to buy a major stake in Aston Martin, he had a competitor in China's Zhejiang Geely Holding Group Co. Geely has supposedly backed out of negotiations which makes Stroll's deal more likely now. If it does, it's also likely RacingPointwill be rebranded to Aston Martin.
https://www.motorsportweek.com/news/id/25869

The only question is the time limit to finalize the livery for this year's car. It's under 1 month till testing starts & the unveiling of the cars will be earlier. Wonder if Lawrence will want to strike the deal soon enough to ease things back at the factory unless they already know more than us.

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Sound like fantasy, in a bored off session but..

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Poketribble wrote:
Sound like fantasy, in a bored off session but..

https://www.essentiallysports.com/merce ... WKBt0QO75M
Can we add Lance Stroll to the "who will be the next WDC" poll please...


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Sound like fantasy, in a bored off session but..

https://www.essentiallysports.com/merce ... WKBt0QO75M

Yeah I was already aware of all of this, it seems while Mercedes dither others make plans.

I'm not fully sure of all the implications though, does this mean that one of the teams gets shut down, that wouldn't be good for F1.

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As per the rumours going about in the past few weeks about Lawrence Stroll planning to buy a major stake in Aston Martin, he had a competitor in China's Zhejiang Geely Holding Group Co. Geely has supposedly backed out of negotiations which makes Stroll's deal more likely now. If it does, it's also likely RacingPointwill be rebranded to Aston Martin.
https://www.motorsportweek.com/news/id/25869

The only question is the time limit to finalize the livery for this year's car. It's under 1 month till testing starts & the unveiling of the cars will be earlier. Wonder if Lawrence will want to strike the deal soon enough to ease things back at the factory unless they already know more than us.


Surprised Geely backed out, they'd have been a good match for Aston.

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I'm hearing a contrasting rumour now that Mercedes are on the verge of signing a new Concorde agrrement.

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The likelihood of Aston Martin & Racing Point joining hands seems to have become closer as Aston Martin has all of a sudden decided to pull out of German Touring Car Championships! Looks like they want to focus solely on F1?

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If this did happen, would this count as an 'independent' F1 team turning into a 'manufacturer' F1 team? We haven't got many independent teams as it is, Williams is one example of course.


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If this did happen, would this count as an 'independent' F1 team turning into a 'manufacturer' F1 team? We haven't got many independent teams as it is, Williams is one example of course.


The line between independent and private is pretty blurred. What is it that makes Red Bull a "manufacturer" and and Haas "private" for example?


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Looks like this is happening as The Race is reporting Stroll's offer has been accepted and Racing Point will become the Aston Martin F1 Team from next year, with a 10-year agreement. For 2020, Red Bull will continue running as Aston Martin Red Bull Racing.

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It's official. As in Stroll getting a 16.7% stake in Aston Martin. Glad we'll see Aston Martin as a team in F1 in the near future.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/breaking-news-billionaire-stroll-takes-major-stake-aston-martin

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We should expect the livery to be British Racing Green but it remains to be seen if BWT continues sponsorship then will the mandatory Pink remain in part on the livery?

And since the team is heading towards a big investment & maybe a work's status, this year could be crucial for Lance. I don't think Lawrence will let Lance serve mediocre results. All this investment wouldn't make sense then.

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It's official. As in Stroll getting a 16.7% stake in Aston Martin. Glad we'll see Aston Martin as a team in F1 in the near future.


I would be too, if it's in a meaningful engineering way. If it's only as a 'team Stroll' sponsor I think it's a bit of an own-goal. It says 'We want to be associated with F1 - as a high-tech sports car manufacturer, but actually we've nothing technical to contribute.' What does that say about them?


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It's official. As in Stroll getting a 16.7% stake in Aston Martin. Glad we'll see Aston Martin as a team in F1 in the near future.


I would be too, if it's in a meaningful engineering way. If it's only as a 'team Stroll' sponsor I think it's a bit of an own-goal. It says 'We want to be associated with F1 - as a high-tech sports car manufacturer, but actually we've nothing technical to contribute.' What does that say about them?

Well I guess that's no different to what Alfa Romeo are presently doing?

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We should expect the livery to be British Racing Green but it remains to be seen if BWT continues sponsorship then will the mandatory Pink remain in part on the livery?

And since the team is heading towards a big investment & maybe a work's status, this year could be crucial for Lance. I don't think Lawrence will let Lance serve mediocre results. All this investment wouldn't make sense then.

I was hearing there is a time limit for Stroll to prove himself, another 1 or 2 years.

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It's official. As in Stroll getting a 16.7% stake in Aston Martin. Glad we'll see Aston Martin as a team in F1 in the near future.


I would be too, if it's in a meaningful engineering way. If it's only as a 'team Stroll' sponsor I think it's a bit of an own-goal. It says 'We want to be associated with F1 - as a high-tech sports car manufacturer, but actually we've nothing technical to contribute.' What does that say about them?

Well I guess that's no different to what Alfa Romeo are presently doing?


It's actually more to be fair.

The same ownership for Aston Martin and Racing Point. I think it's fair enough. Can't see how much different than say Renault. I'd love to know if Stroll is serious about making Racing Point a contending F1 team. I remember nobody thought Red Bull would be anything more than a midfield team. Then they signed Adrian Newey.


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Maybe Stroll is serious about the investment. He knows no top team will hire his son, so he needs to provide him with a competitive car himself.


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Maybe Stroll is serious about the investment. He knows no top team will hire his son, so he needs to provide him with a competitive car himself.


I think if he is actually serious about winning his son will have to become collateral damage.

An Alonso/Perez line up could go places.


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Maybe Stroll is serious about the investment. He knows no top team will hire his son, so he needs to provide him with a competitive car himself.


I think if he is actually serious about winning his son will have to become collateral damage.

An Alonso/Perez line up could go places.


He is serious about making his son a winner. That's the one and only goal. All else is fan Illusion.


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Paolo_Lasardi wrote:
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Maybe Stroll is serious about the investment. He knows no top team will hire his son, so he needs to provide him with a competitive car himself.


I think if he is actually serious about winning his son will have to become collateral damage.

An Alonso/Perez line up could go places.


He is serious about making his son a winner. That's the one and only goal. All else is fan Illusion.


I don't know. I thought that. Then Perez, who is no fool, signed a 4 year contract.


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mikeyg123 wrote:
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Maybe Stroll is serious about the investment. He knows no top team will hire his son, so he needs to provide him with a competitive car himself.


I think if he is actually serious about winning his son will have to become collateral damage.

An Alonso/Perez line up could go places.


He is serious about making his son a winner. That's the one and only goal. All else is fan Illusion.


I don't know. I thought that. Then Perez, who is no fool, signed a 4 year contract.


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Maybe Stroll is serious about the investment. He knows no top team will hire his son, so he needs to provide him with a competitive car himself.


I think if he is actually serious about winning his son will have to become collateral damage.

An Alonso/Perez line up could go places.


He is serious about making his son a winner. That's the one and only goal. All else is fan Illusion.


I don't know. I thought that. Then Perez, who is no fool, signed a 4 year contract.


Yes, a good driver teacher. Success takes time.


Perez wouldn't have signed a 4 year contract to teach Stroll. That's my point. He's pretty well funded himself.


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This all has placed well for Perez. He was sadly sidelined after that 1 year in McLaren. Looks like he will now get a car that can truly demonstrate how strong he is as a racer. Real happy for Perez. Also I wonder if he knew this was going to happen before he signed a multi year deal?

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Maybe Stroll is serious about the investment. He knows no top team will hire his son, so he needs to provide him with a competitive car himself.


I think if he is actually serious about winning his son will have to become collateral damage.

An Alonso/Perez line up could go places.


He is serious about making his son a winner. That's the one and only goal. All else is fan Illusion.

It's true he wants to give his son every possible chance to succeed but ultimately he's a petrol head, he loves racing and I've no doubt he loves owning a F1 team, I don't think it lives and dies on the need for his son to be one of the drivers?

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mikeyg123 wrote:
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I think if he is actually serious about winning his son will have to become collateral damage.

An Alonso/Perez line up could go places.


He is serious about making his son a winner. That's the one and only goal. All else is fan Illusion.


I don't know. I thought that. Then Perez, who is no fool, signed a 4 year contract.


Yes, a good driver teacher. Success takes time.


Perez wouldn't have signed a 4 year contract to teach Stroll. That's my point. He's pretty well funded himself.

Yeah and there's been no talk of coaching from Perez like we heard in respect from Massa, of course he can try and learn from Perez's telemetry though.

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This all has placed well for Perez. He was sadly sidelined after that 1 year in McLaren. Looks like he will now get a car that can truly demonstrate how strong he is as a racer. Real happy for Perez. Also I wonder if he knew this was going to happen before he signed a multi year deal?

He knew that Stroll was going to put serious money into the team even before the Aston Martin tie up, this being something the team has always lacked.

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