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The next new WDC
Charles Leclerc 40%  40%  [ 12 ]
Sebastian Vettel 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
Max Verstappen 50%  50%  [ 15 ]
Alex Albon 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Valtteri Bottas 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Other 7%  7%  [ 2 ]
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There is increasing interest in what a post-Lewis Hamilton Formula One will look like. Who will be the next WDC who is not Lewis Hamilton?

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I'm going with Charles.

Should Vettel count? As he wouldn't be a new WDC.


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I'm going with Charles.

Should Vettel count? As he wouldn't be a new WDC.

Funny thing I was just checking to see how much younger Vettel is than Hamilton to find it's Hamilton's birthday today. :)

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pokerman wrote:
Junglist wrote:
I'm going with Charles.

Should Vettel count? As he wouldn't be a new WDC.

Funny thing I was just checking to see how much younger Vettel is than Hamilton to find it's Hamilton's birthday today. :)


Indeed. He hit the big 35!

Even though he is older than me it doesn't seem that long ago watching his gearbox failing thinking he could've won the WDC in first season


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pokerman wrote:
Junglist wrote:
I'm going with Charles.

Should Vettel count? As he wouldn't be a new WDC.

Funny thing I was just checking to see how much younger Vettel is than Hamilton to find it's Hamilton's birthday today. :)

Was this to see if Vettel would become a 5x WDC at a younger age than Hamilton? He has to do it this year to beat Hamilton. Although Schumacher is the youngest 5x WDC so it's him you really need to check against.


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Junglist wrote:
I'm going with Charles.

Should Vettel count? As he wouldn't be a new WDC.


That did occur to me, but since we have been in a Hamilton/Merc dynasty for a while, my idea was "Who is going to break that streak?"

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Alienturnedhuman wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Junglist wrote:
I'm going with Charles.

Should Vettel count? As he wouldn't be a new WDC.

Funny thing I was just checking to see how much younger Vettel is than Hamilton to find it's Hamilton's birthday today. :)

Was this to see if Vettel would become a 5x WDC at a younger age than Hamilton? He has to do it this year to beat Hamilton. Although Schumacher is the youngest 5x WDC so it's him you really need to check against.

No I was thinking that Vettel was just 18 months younger than Hamilton in which case he may well retire before Hamilton, he's 2 and a half years younger.

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Other: George Russell.

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Other: George Russell.

Bold call. So you foresee unending Mercedes domination, and the only thing that changes is the guy in the silver car?

Grim future. :uhoh:

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Other: George Russell.


I like your optimism!!! Not sure he can get acclimated to the Merc starting in 2021 and beat Max and Charles to the punch. :?

OTOH another series of Merc titles would get a bit tedious.

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In equal cars, Max would beat Charles. Red Bull are both stronger than Ferrari at the moment and have more scope for development as they have only just started their journey with Honda. Ferrari are in turmoil and are lacking stability. This makes Red Bull more likely to provide a championship winning car than Ferrari. So it's difficult to look past Max.

At the moment I would say Bottas 3.0 is more likely to win a WDC next than Charles - although Charles has more potential as a driver than Valterri.


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Exediron wrote:
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Other: George Russell.

Bold call. So you foresee unending Mercedes domination, and the only thing that changes is the guy in the silver car?

Grim future. :uhoh:


Would you bet against it? They've aced this entire era, including multiple attempts to shake things up through minor regulation changes. I do think it'll be closer from 2021 onwards - not Ferrari because I have no faith in that team, but certainly Max and Red Bull - but the level at which Merc have operated these past six seasons has been dominance like we've never seen before. Hamilton to equal Schumi this year, surpass him in 2021 and walk away from Mercedes (if not F1) leaving Russell to be promoted for 2022 and keep Mercedes golden.

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Alienturnedhuman wrote:
In equal cars, Max would beat Charles. Red Bull are both stronger than Ferrari at the moment and have more scope for development as they have only just started their journey with Honda. Ferrari are in turmoil and are lacking stability. This makes Red Bull more likely to provide a championship winning car than Ferrari. So it's difficult to look past Max.

At the moment I would say Bottas 3.0 is more likely to win a WDC next than Charles - although Charles has more potential as a driver than Valterri.


Based on what? Is this the new forum popular belief?
LEC was against VET and VER against GAS/ALB and Max was heavily favored by his team unlike many multi WDC winners.

LEC has only just finished his 2nd full F1 season and I have not seen a driver this impressive in terms of speed since HAM's rookie years.

The guy seating in the #2 car and how he is rated(along with team dynamics/politics) does a lot to #1 guy "reputation"/people perception.


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Pullrod wrote:
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
In equal cars, Max would beat Charles. Red Bull are both stronger than Ferrari at the moment and have more scope for development as they have only just started their journey with Honda. Ferrari are in turmoil and are lacking stability. This makes Red Bull more likely to provide a championship winning car than Ferrari. So it's difficult to look past Max.

At the moment I would say Bottas 3.0 is more likely to win a WDC next than Charles - although Charles has more potential as a driver than Valterri.


Based on what? Is this the new forum popular belief?
LEC was against VET and VER against GAS/ALB and Max was heavily favored by his team unlike many multi WDC winners.

LEC has only just finished his 2nd full F1 season and I have not seen a driver this impressive in terms of speed since HAM's rookie years.

The guy seating in the #2 car and how he is rated(along with team dynamics/politics) does a lot to #1 guy "reputation"/people perception.

Ricciardo performed better against Vettel (in Vettel's ideal environment) than Charles performed against Vettel, and the 2019 Ferrari's was weak in the areas Vettel needs it to be strong.

Max has an edge on Ricciardo. Max has had 5 seasons in a front running car, Charles has had one. Charles is also more impatient than Max, he routinely started over driving his car in the second half of the season to try and make up for a minor error and consequently lost more time. Verstappen is both faster and more experienced, and also holds his nerve better.

However, Charles has more scope to develop as a driver and believe that it's very likely that at their pinnacle it could be close between. But for now, I would rank them as being like Schumacher and Hakkinen were at the start of 1994, with Max being Schumacher.


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Alienturnedhuman wrote:
Pullrod wrote:
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
In equal cars, Max would beat Charles. Red Bull are both stronger than Ferrari at the moment and have more scope for development as they have only just started their journey with Honda. Ferrari are in turmoil and are lacking stability. This makes Red Bull more likely to provide a championship winning car than Ferrari. So it's difficult to look past Max.

At the moment I would say Bottas 3.0 is more likely to win a WDC next than Charles - although Charles has more potential as a driver than Valterri.


Based on what? Is this the new forum popular belief?
LEC was against VET and VER against GAS/ALB and Max was heavily favored by his team unlike many multi WDC winners.

LEC has only just finished his 2nd full F1 season and I have not seen a driver this impressive in terms of speed since HAM's rookie years.

The guy seating in the #2 car and how he is rated(along with team dynamics/politics) does a lot to #1 guy "reputation"/people perception.

Ricciardo performed better against Vettel (in Vettel's ideal environment) than Charles performed against Vettel, and the 2019 Ferrari's was weak in the areas Vettel needs it to be strong.

Max has an edge on Ricciardo. Max has had 5 seasons in a front running car, Charles has had one. Charles is also more impatient than Max, he routinely started over driving his car in the second half of the season to try and make up for a minor error and consequently lost more time. Verstappen is both faster and more experienced, and also holds his nerve better.

However, Charles has more scope to develop as a driver and believe that it's very likely that at their pinnacle it could be close between. But for now, I would rank them as being like Schumacher and Hakkinen were at the start of 1994, with Max being Schumacher.


I've no doubt Verstappen was the better driver in 2019 and I think he's still getting better. Leclerc, I'm sure will continue to improve as well but comparisons with Vettel in the past have proven false dawns. It will be fascinating to see how good they both become.


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Alienturnedhuman wrote:
Pullrod wrote:
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
In equal cars, Max would beat Charles. Red Bull are both stronger than Ferrari at the moment and have more scope for development as they have only just started their journey with Honda. Ferrari are in turmoil and are lacking stability. This makes Red Bull more likely to provide a championship winning car than Ferrari. So it's difficult to look past Max.

At the moment I would say Bottas 3.0 is more likely to win a WDC next than Charles - although Charles has more potential as a driver than Valterri.


Based on what? Is this the new forum popular belief?
LEC was against VET and VER against GAS/ALB and Max was heavily favored by his team unlike many multi WDC winners.

LEC has only just finished his 2nd full F1 season and I have not seen a driver this impressive in terms of speed since HAM's rookie years.

The guy seating in the #2 car and how he is rated(along with team dynamics/politics) does a lot to #1 guy "reputation"/people perception.

Ricciardo performed better against Vettel (in Vettel's ideal environment) than Charles performed against Vettel, and the 2019 Ferrari's was weak in the areas Vettel needs it to be strong.

Max has an edge on Ricciardo. Max has had 5 seasons in a front running car, Charles has had one. Charles is also more impatient than Max, he routinely started over driving his car in the second half of the season to try and make up for a minor error and consequently lost more time. Verstappen is both faster and more experienced, and also holds his nerve better.

However, Charles has more scope to develop as a driver and believe that it's very likely that at their pinnacle it could be close between. But for now, I would rank them as being like Schumacher and Hakkinen were at the start of 1994, with Max being Schumacher.


There is no evidence that VER is faster than LEC(I would guess the opposite based on their Q3 laps) or make less mistakes(Spa, Monza, Mexico, Monaco, etc..). Yes he is more experienced than LEC buit that's it.


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Alienturnedhuman wrote:
In equal cars, Max would beat Charles. Red Bull are both stronger than Ferrari at the moment and have more scope for development as they have only just started their journey with Honda. Ferrari are in turmoil and are lacking stability. This makes Red Bull more likely to provide a championship winning car than Ferrari. So it's difficult to look past Max.

At the moment I would say Bottas 3.0 is more likely to win a WDC next than Charles - although Charles has more potential as a driver than Valterri.

I would go along with this although I believe Bottas has self titled himself as Bottas 2.77 for this coming season. :)

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Jenson's Understeer wrote:
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Bold call. So you foresee unending Mercedes domination, and the only thing that changes is the guy in the silver car?

Grim future. :uhoh:


Would you bet against it? They've aced this entire era, including multiple attempts to shake things up through minor regulation changes. I do think it'll be closer from 2021 onwards - not Ferrari because I have no faith in that team, but certainly Max and Red Bull - but the level at which Merc have operated these past six seasons has been dominance like we've never seen before. Hamilton to equal Schumi this year, surpass him in 2021 and walk away from Mercedes (if not F1) leaving Russell to be promoted for 2022 and keep Mercedes golden.

I think Hamilton is going to be around until at least 2023 so it doesn't leave much scope for Russell.

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Pullrod wrote:
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
In equal cars, Max would beat Charles. Red Bull are both stronger than Ferrari at the moment and have more scope for development as they have only just started their journey with Honda. Ferrari are in turmoil and are lacking stability. This makes Red Bull more likely to provide a championship winning car than Ferrari. So it's difficult to look past Max.

At the moment I would say Bottas 3.0 is more likely to win a WDC next than Charles - although Charles has more potential as a driver than Valterri.


Based on what? Is this the new forum popular belief?
LEC was against VET and VER against GAS/ALB and Max was heavily favored by his team unlike many multi WDC winners.

LEC has only just finished his 2nd full F1 season and I have not seen a driver this impressive in terms of speed since HAM's rookie years.

The guy seating in the #2 car and how he is rated(along with team dynamics/politics) does a lot to #1 guy "reputation"/people perception.

Well we recently had some polls were Verstappen came out ahead of Leclerc.

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Pullrod wrote:
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
Pullrod wrote:
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
In equal cars, Max would beat Charles. Red Bull are both stronger than Ferrari at the moment and have more scope for development as they have only just started their journey with Honda. Ferrari are in turmoil and are lacking stability. This makes Red Bull more likely to provide a championship winning car than Ferrari. So it's difficult to look past Max.

At the moment I would say Bottas 3.0 is more likely to win a WDC next than Charles - although Charles has more potential as a driver than Valterri.


Based on what? Is this the new forum popular belief?
LEC was against VET and VER against GAS/ALB and Max was heavily favored by his team unlike many multi WDC winners.

LEC has only just finished his 2nd full F1 season and I have not seen a driver this impressive in terms of speed since HAM's rookie years.

The guy seating in the #2 car and how he is rated(along with team dynamics/politics) does a lot to #1 guy "reputation"/people perception.

Ricciardo performed better against Vettel (in Vettel's ideal environment) than Charles performed against Vettel, and the 2019 Ferrari's was weak in the areas Vettel needs it to be strong.

Max has an edge on Ricciardo. Max has had 5 seasons in a front running car, Charles has had one. Charles is also more impatient than Max, he routinely started over driving his car in the second half of the season to try and make up for a minor error and consequently lost more time. Verstappen is both faster and more experienced, and also holds his nerve better.

However, Charles has more scope to develop as a driver and believe that it's very likely that at their pinnacle it could be close between. But for now, I would rank them as being like Schumacher and Hakkinen were at the start of 1994, with Max being Schumacher.


There is no evidence that VER is faster than LEC(I would guess the opposite based on their Q3 laps) or make less mistakes(Spa, Monza, Mexico, Monaco, etc..). Yes he is more experienced than LEC buit that's it.

Mathematical constructs suggest that Verstappen is quicker, at the moment at least.

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Pullrod wrote:
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
Pullrod wrote:
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
In equal cars, Max would beat Charles. Red Bull are both stronger than Ferrari at the moment and have more scope for development as they have only just started their journey with Honda. Ferrari are in turmoil and are lacking stability. This makes Red Bull more likely to provide a championship winning car than Ferrari. So it's difficult to look past Max.

At the moment I would say Bottas 3.0 is more likely to win a WDC next than Charles - although Charles has more potential as a driver than Valterri.


Based on what? Is this the new forum popular belief?
LEC was against VET and VER against GAS/ALB and Max was heavily favored by his team unlike many multi WDC winners.

LEC has only just finished his 2nd full F1 season and I have not seen a driver this impressive in terms of speed since HAM's rookie years.

The guy seating in the #2 car and how he is rated(along with team dynamics/politics) does a lot to #1 guy "reputation"/people perception.

Ricciardo performed better against Vettel (in Vettel's ideal environment) than Charles performed against Vettel, and the 2019 Ferrari's was weak in the areas Vettel needs it to be strong.

Max has an edge on Ricciardo. Max has had 5 seasons in a front running car, Charles has had one. Charles is also more impatient than Max, he routinely started over driving his car in the second half of the season to try and make up for a minor error and consequently lost more time. Verstappen is both faster and more experienced, and also holds his nerve better.

However, Charles has more scope to develop as a driver and believe that it's very likely that at their pinnacle it could be close between. But for now, I would rank them as being like Schumacher and Hakkinen were at the start of 1994, with Max being Schumacher.


There is no evidence that VER is faster than LEC(I would guess the opposite based on their Q3 laps) or make less mistakes(Spa, Monza, Mexico, Monaco, etc..). Yes he is more experienced than LEC buit that's it.


If you read Alien's post he gives you the evidence. You may not find it very compelling but that is a different story.


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pokerman wrote:
Jenson's Understeer wrote:
Exediron wrote:
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Other: George Russell.

Bold call. So you foresee unending Mercedes domination, and the only thing that changes is the guy in the silver car?

Grim future. :uhoh:


Would you bet against it? They've aced this entire era, including multiple attempts to shake things up through minor regulation changes. I do think it'll be closer from 2021 onwards - not Ferrari because I have no faith in that team, but certainly Max and Red Bull - but the level at which Merc have operated these past six seasons has been dominance like we've never seen before. Hamilton to equal Schumi this year, surpass him in 2021 and walk away from Mercedes (if not F1) leaving Russell to be promoted for 2022 and keep Mercedes golden.

I think Hamilton is going to be around until at least 2023 so it doesn't leave much scope for Russell.


If I'm correct and Mercedes remain the team to beat, and you're correct and Lewis remains with them until 2023, then I'd still stand by my prediction. Because that scenario could very easily mean Mercedes win the next 4 WDCs, and even if Lewis wins them all and then either retires or goes to another team, Russell would still be well-placed to succeed him in 2024. Particularly if he's had a season or two alongside Lewis to further his development.

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Jenson's Understeer wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Jenson's Understeer wrote:
Exediron wrote:
Jenson's Understeer wrote:
Other: George Russell.

Bold call. So you foresee unending Mercedes domination, and the only thing that changes is the guy in the silver car?

Grim future. :uhoh:


Would you bet against it? They've aced this entire era, including multiple attempts to shake things up through minor regulation changes. I do think it'll be closer from 2021 onwards - not Ferrari because I have no faith in that team, but certainly Max and Red Bull - but the level at which Merc have operated these past six seasons has been dominance like we've never seen before. Hamilton to equal Schumi this year, surpass him in 2021 and walk away from Mercedes (if not F1) leaving Russell to be promoted for 2022 and keep Mercedes golden.

I think Hamilton is going to be around until at least 2023 so it doesn't leave much scope for Russell.


If I'm correct and Mercedes remain the team to beat, and you're correct and Lewis remains with them until 2023, then I'd still stand by my prediction. Because that scenario could very easily mean Mercedes win the next 4 WDCs, and even if Lewis wins them all and then either retires or goes to another team, Russell would still be well-placed to succeed him in 2024. Particularly if he's had a season or two alongside Lewis to further his development.

I don't think you can predict that length of success for Mercedes and even in recent years Mercedes have not had the out and out best car like in 2017 and 2018, I think that people soon forget that Vettel was leading the 2017 WDC 2/3rds into the season and I would say in 2018 Ferrari slightly edged it in having the best car.

So perhaps Russell's first chance of the WDC comes in 2024 but before that the likes of Verstappen and Leclerc may have several chances of becoming WDC?

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Voted Max - I think he just edges out Charles.

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Junglist wrote:
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I'm going with Charles.

Should Vettel count? As he wouldn't be a new WDC.

Funny thing I was just checking to see how much younger Vettel is than Hamilton to find it's Hamilton's birthday today. :)


Indeed. He hit the big 35!

Even though he is older than me it doesn't seem that long ago watching his gearbox failing thinking he could've won the WDC in first season

I think you mean if he didn't bin it entering the pits too hot. LOL

I'd expect Vettel to be the Next WDC.
Not sure Leclerc will edge him out again or if Red Bull will give Max the car to be bale to contend for the drivers title.

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