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I'm merging this with the Feedback Thread later today, but we're getting different members in here than there so I'll leave it til this evening.

AngreetRoll - We lock threads when warnings that behaviour has become detrimental to the thread are ignored. Normally subsequent threads see members learning from that, so we only get one replacement thread. In this instance our service to members is to let them have a well-behaved thread rather than something that descends into anarchy and name-calling.

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I've run out of patience with tyre threads. There is an official one: USE IT.

I meant only for new members signing up. Anyway, good luck with the forum patrolling and thank you for your work

No problem NCW, this is what the Feedback Thread is for.

phyz, P-F1 Mod is being gallant by not mentioning it but there are LOTS of member applications each day with only one person going through them. Most of the spammers get weeded out at this stage but it's quite difficult to tell if someone is a troll from just their username and e-mail address. We've seen in the past that there's not much correlation between the quality of user and the type of e-mail they use. And there did used to be complaints from people who didn't want to use their work e-mails to sign up.

New members have their posts subject to approval to begin with, and as a rule we tend not to give the benefit of the doubt like we would to some of the forum's more established users. We are aware of some of the recent issues with trolling though, and P-F1 Mod has stepped up our sanctions against it.

Disagree. Mods are here to serve the owners of the forum. We are essentially guests attending a party in the owners' house and the mods enforce the rules. Don't like the rules? Feel free to express that here or in the feedback thread. If the mods have discussed it and won't change the rules? Either abide by the rules or party somewhere else. We don't pay for access, so we are guests, and should act like guests instead of looters.

As a regular user who has taken a sabbatical and recently returned to the PF1 Forum ive noticed a large increase in the number of threads that have been locked which would previously have been left to fizzle out or come to natural conclusions.

Im my view it seems that the tone of postings hasnt changed but the style of modding has.
Has there been a conscious change of approach or staff within the mods in recent years ?

In defense of the Moderators, I think the forum has had an unusual amount of new or near new members who fall into extreme fanboy levels and seem to start threads praising their driver/team or bashing opposing teams/drivers over and over again... often with the flimsiest of reasons... ie "DriverX's Q1 gualifying".

I would think that if forumites were more aware of existing threads or threads where their thoughts my be better shared, there would be many less locked threads. Also, Dave Stebbins is right on ... we are guests here, we do not have to pay for the privilege of posting here...and if we don't like it, then we always have the option to move on or adapt.


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With first hand knowledge, I can tell you that moderating is often a tough, thankless job, where no matter what decision you make, you are guaranteed to piss off someone, or many someones! Give them a break!

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i say we do what chrismoyles.net forum does. Just let it run. if it gets derailed. it derails. if it trolls. let them face the music and allow the abuse they deserve.

it is the most easy going and hostile forum going. but they do treat you fairly. maybe we dont need mods. and we all self mod and the head mod can step in with legalitys and only then close the topic. And state clearly why.

let trolling topics go on. they will derail and fizzle out.

TOO MANY RULES. NOT ENOUGH FREEDOM.

oh yeah...

MERGE DUPLICATE TOPICS OR SIMILAR TOPICS. DON'T LOCK THEM...

Things have defiantly changed since the move to the new forum (But much worse than ever over the past couple of weeks)

For me personally it all comes down to respect and peoples personal biased opinions. (And conflicting ones with each other)

Respect comes into it as allot of folk on here have no respect for key F1 figures at all, past and present. Because they either have a dislike of the driver / team, they are beating their team mate who they are a sole fan of, or they don't agree with something they have said. This in return causes all the needless bashing of key F1 figures and then debates between members arguing it out. (It's same in general on the Internet so not just on here it's just got much worse on here the last few weeks) But I strongly believe people just need to lay of the hatred a bit and start showing a bit more respect, but in today's Internet world that's going to be hard to control and change.

I am even guilty of some may say a bit of trolling myself sometimes, but I don't usually respond to much and don't have time to keep replying to people egging me on from quotes, what I can say though is I try to be subjective most of the time.

I have sympathy for the mods as it's an hard job to run this forum and keep it moderated, especially with the amount of needless bashing that has gone on in recent weeks, but hopefully with the mods work in locking threads/warning members etc this place can pick up.

On another note, as per another member I was surprised the Kimi kidnapped topic was locked ,this is everywhere and it just looks strange for PF1 forum to lock the thread for the reasons explained, considering the video is all over the net on respected sites.

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HELMUT MARKO to be press secretary.

I don't think there's any problem with the mods. I've been on this forum for years (when it had a different UI) and the new moderating team is the best PF1's ever had.

The problem is that there is more fanboyism as ever, with many paranoid posters opening up useless threads.

Threads with misleading titles also annoy the hell out of me.

We need people to be more careful and think it twice before opening a new thread.

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I think mods on this forum should talk/post less

If they think something is not appropriate, just remove it and post the rule that has been broken instead of the post/locked thread..etc

You don't have to justify yourselves, you will only open yourselves to criticism and it shows some kind of weakness

Rules are rules, and who doesn't respect them ou can show him/her the way out

The Feedback thread is a fantastic idea, just stick everything over there, and use PMs to warn users instead of posting on the threads themselves, unless it was an absolute necessity

yeah

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Well, that was weird. Two days ago I tried to login here only to find out that I got banned, apparently on grounds of something that I did not do. Fortunately after a discussion, the mods revised the situation. So no hard feelings, we all make mistakes. We're not all Fernando Alonsos and also despite all evidence to the contrary, I try to be a gentleman. Afterall, the mods do their thing for the benefit of the forum users, and we get this service without paying anything, so it'd be rather snobbish to complain too much about the quality of something you get for free.

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The ban itself was absolutely in order, since it was from your account that the still image originated.

That said, I'm glad you cleared up the confusion with the IP crossover, and I admit error on that one.

Look in the kimi thread and you will find one of your posts deleted. It is for that which you were banned.

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I've run out of patience with tyre threads. There is an official one: USE IT.

Nope, I don't find anything from there. I only find the moose picture post, and I suppose that wasn't what you're referring to? Can you tell me which post you are referring to? I seriously hope you're still not mixing me up with F1nsider who has a bit similar avatar. Sigh...


You want to show me proof of that?

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"OHO!-magazine number 46/2006: - I read somewhere that I drive with the luck of a drunk."

Sorry to invade here but the Mod said they deleted the post in which you broke the rules so I'm presuming they can't get it back now. So there will be no "evidence" as such.

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F1insider quoted the video, not the image.

Incidentally, the member who quoted the image also names you as the original poster of it, confirming to me that we are not mistaken.

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I've run out of patience with tyre threads. There is an official one: USE IT.

I see. Somebody names me as the original poster of some still image? Has it occurred to you that maybe he messed up with the quote system? Again, no still image of that said video has never originated from my account. That much I know. If you accuse me and ban me for that, then it is your responsibility to show me the proof. The burden of proof is on you.

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"OHO!-magazine number 46/2006: - I read somewhere that I drive with the luck of a drunk."

I see a lot if "troll feeding removed" in the "will you be buying Merc gear" thread.. Has the feeding resulted in bans? It was blatant trolling and I was banned for something much less

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Judging from the "Inappropriate post removed." mod edits and from memory, the YouTube link was posted on page 222, by duey. And then quoted by Soren & El_Chuzalongo & pitstop. After which froze's moose picture is his/her only post on that page and is still there.

On 223 the first "Inappropriate post removed" is F1nsider immediately followed by a removed quote from xECKSx58, then a day later the mod edits occured. Froze doesn't even post on the page it happened.

So unless you've been deleting posts and my memory is wrong then froze is correct.

There are 2 pages we edited when we had a late report. Some were deleted but most were only edited. I thought Froze was in the latter of these.

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I've run out of patience with tyre threads. There is an official one: USE IT.

So, I'm still not entirely sure what I was banned for.
I e-mailed the mods with the e-mail address.
The response was, "You quoted either the video of Kimi's contract - which contained a few shots of a highly sexual nature - or the enlarged still as posted by Froze. Annoyingly, because we had to deal with this with immediacy, I can't absolutely be sure which it was."
I don't remember quoting anything.
However, I saw that Froze, the supposed starter of this debacle, was un-banned before me, who can't even be told why I was banned in the first place.
Just another example of how I disagree with the methods of the mods here on PF1.

I've been on probably a hundred different forums over the last few years, and the PF1 mods frustrate me the most.
IMO they are way too intrusive, and post too much.
If the mods wanted to post and moderate, they should have normal usernames with a "moderator" badge so we know who they are.
The forum that I'm most active on which has good mods is my350z.com
Their mods are normal members with moderator badges under their username.
I never see any mods over there accusing any users of trolling or posting porn (even though there was once an issue with nude women; they just deleted the thread), they just act; no talk.
For example, there is a whole thread dedicated to barely clothed women, but there is a strict rule: no nudity.
Once one person slipped in a nude pic, and the whole 100+page thread was closed and a new one had to be opened.
In other, smaller instances, they are moving topics to different forums and sub-forums all the time.
They don't tell the OP that they're posting in the wrong spot or anything (that's what the members are for ), they just move it and don't say anything.

In the end of the day, you are going to mod the site however you like, I just feel that it's way too intrusive and there are lot's of things that can be done to make everyone happier.

I have to say that the ban for quoting/posting the video was kind of absurd. The video was part of a much talked event in the thread, what will Kimi Raikkonen do next. We had no way to know what was coming up and/or to assume the video was pornographic after seeing it. It was an ad for clothing!

Why a warning was not issued first? Just because some ignorant "parents" freaked out with the video is no reason for a mass ban.

xECKSx58 - As I already explained in the email, Froze helped us work out why we had a problem with an account that appeared to be a duplicate. I felt this warranted a shortening of his ban, since he was complying with us for a fair time on that.

As for our interventions, we only intervene when we are asked to. If we ignored these requests we would be inundated with complaints and accusations of incompetence. We will never be able to please everyone, but we do try to do the right thing by the forum in every case. Obviously we aren't perfect, and we never said we were. We have accepted we made mistakes in the past, and we have almost doubled the original size of the mod team to allow for a wider coverage of the forum, for the benefit of our nearly 20 000 users.

We do, as stated a page or two ago, have private accounts. We would happily use these to moderate, except we are not allowed to. In the past a mod team was stalked across the internet, and into real life, by a few members who disagreed with their actions. The mod accounts therefore give us anonimity to protect us from that. Furthermore, to answer something I think Dizlexik raised elsewhere, the reason we have more mod accounts than the previous teams have had is so that we know exactly which mod took action where. Since most of us have more than one device we use to access the forum, IP addresses aren't ideal for this so the colour system was necessary.



El_Chuzalongo - The rules about pornography are a legal problem as much as anything - find me a porn site that doesn't state anywhere that users need to be over 18, and I'll show you an illegal page. This forum caters for users well under 18, and we have to police certain rules very strictly or we leave ourselves open to legal action.

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I've run out of patience with tyre threads. There is an official one: USE IT.

Oh, and if that Makia Clothing video was porn and we got banned for that, then why are the "Brazzers pictures" being allowed to be posted in the images topic?
Brazzers is a porn site, nothing less.
But the guys posting, quoting those pictures don't get warned/banned.

Plus, YouTube has far more [young] viewers thank this website, and they also do not allow porn or anything even close to it.
If that video is on YouTube with 100,000+ views and isn't flagged for porn then I don't see why it should have been here.

Just my .02

YouTube has a flagging system, if their members don't use it then the restrictions don't work.

We've had no reports of pictures elsewhere, so please flag them and we will of course deal with them. We don't have time to check every post in every thread.

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I've run out of patience with tyre threads. There is an official one: USE IT.

the Brazzers pictures don't bother me, because as a user of the internet I understand I will see things that I may not want to.
It's part of life.
Not going to flag anything. Ever.
Just thought it was a little odd.

I can help you there.

On Wed Oct 17th, 2:51 pm, F1insider posted a pic which contained porn. A few minutes later, 2:55 pm, you quoted F1nsider's post. Yo can find both F1nsiders's and your post on page 223 of the Raikkonen thread; both have been edited and now read "inappropriate post removed".

The pic F1nsider posted was a still extracted from Raikkonen's "contract" video. Now, I did not know where those pics came from when I edited the posts; all I knew was that they were against the rule about porn in this site. Also, "fake" porn has the same effect than "real" porn when it comes to what we are trying to avoid by forbidding porn in this site. Finally, the fact that the stills came from a video that Raikkonen (or any other F1 driver or related person) had agreed to should not be taken as a waiver of the forum rules for the video in question. Yes, it is humour, but it is adult humour; Raikkonen is perfectly entitled to use it for a PR campaign, but as PF1 Mod pointed out we are open to under-18 users and hence are subject to restrictions.

One final comment: had the stills not been posted, it is very likely that their appearance in the video would have not been noticed; but once the cat was out of the bag, we had to be consistent and delete references to the video too.

Gotcha.
At least now I know what I was banned for

I understand the problems with pornography. I just think that in this particular case, the ban was an overreaction. I was completely lost when I first saw I was banned. I thought that my account was hacked or something. Anyway, I think you Mods do a good job moderating the forum so keep it up

Post: Can I purchase full F1 seasons on DVD or Blu-RAY ? Locked:

User:
Hello

I can't seem to find this anywhere. I was wondering if it's possible to obtain old F1 seasons on DVD ? I specifically am after 1997, 1998, 1999, 2007, 2008 and 2009 seasons. If its available for sale can someone direct me to a website or something where I can place my order.

Thanks

"You cannot legally obtain them and anybody providing a way in which to obtain them on here would be in breach of forum rules.

Locked." Mod_Orange

I saw this post today and it was quite strange to read that phrase from the Mod. A perfect question from a user in my opinion.
I would like to know if Amazon is illegal, Ive found some DVDs for sale there. Anyway, if somebody ask, then we answer according to the rules. If there are illegal links then Mods can ban, remove or whatever they want but this kind of "Minority report-post locked" is just...well I really dont understand it.

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There is no official full season, only season summaries which I think are about 90 minutes. Any full season DVDs are illegal TV rips etc, and advertising or linking such things is against the rules.

I understood it as DVD season review and not every single season race in a DVD. If the question was in that second way then I was wrong.

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You would have to contact the retailer, but if you've found it on eBay or Amazon Marketplace, then the rules may be similar to here - someone would need to report it for them to de-list it.
I guess that the FIA/FOM (someone else will no doubt correct me) owns the rights, but its the same with most (all?) sports, there are no DVDs of each event, and the same laws/ownership stop you downloading the events on BBC iPlayer for example, you can only stream.

The question is why some media companies distribute this DVDs, anyway, as I edited in my message, I understood the question as a DVD review and not as a "every season race DVD". Thanks for clarification. Greets

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Regarding your complete edit, typing "f1 season <year>" into any search engine is quicker and easier than posting here, and will give you lots of season review DVDs to buy. I think that the OP can only have been asking for something else.

You mods do realize you're contradicting each other?


Still waiting for the proof here. Not gonna happen? Oh, too bad then.

Well, in the end, it's not my shame, because I know what I have done and what I haven't and I stand 100% behind in what I told you guys in the email discussion. To sum this whole thing in one sentence in my point of view: I have never even seen these images that you are accusing me to be the original poster of. I really don't know what else to tell you. All I can say is that I'm very disappointed at how poorly this matter has been handled.

Actually, I couldn't care less anymore and I'm done wasting my time with this issue or this forum. Hence I'm going awol. To all fellow posters, thanks for all the discussions we had. To the mods, not so much.

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Why do people have to flounce out of here so publicly?

I think the mods have been doing fine and there was a simple explanation as to why you can't get your evidence froze, the mod deleted the post so it is lost. They can't get it back. That isn't the mod's fault.

Anyway, I say to the mods. They do a difficult job and I'm sure it hasn't been made any easier with the amount of sheer stupidity that's been on the forum as of late and I count that bloody Kimi video in that.

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