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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 4:12 pm 
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They will need to keep the upgrades coming. To me, it looked like the Lotus was the fastest car on race day. I also know that Lotus has a major upgrade planned for Spa. McLaren will need another major upgrade package soon in order to keep contending for wins.

This package has been a success though.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 4:18 pm 
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They will need to keep the upgrades coming. To me, it looked like the Lotus was the fastest car on race day. I also know that Lotus has a major upgrade planned for Spa. McLaren will need another major upgrade package soon in order to keep contending for wins.

This package has been a success though.

your right sandman. but the pitstops are a big worry.


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well if they don't have to race in the rain. everything should be fine. unless it is in the pits.

I am hoping that McLaren can figure out its wet weather woes because it is not beyond the realm of possibility to have wet one at either Spa or Monza or both.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 4:24 pm 
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raider-hall wrote:
sandman1347 wrote:
They will need to keep the upgrades coming. To me, it looked like the Lotus was the fastest car on race day. I also know that Lotus has a major upgrade planned for Spa. McLaren will need another major upgrade package soon in order to keep contending for wins.

This package has been a success though.

your right sandman. but the pitstops are a big worry.

Yeah, they have some that are amazing now but they still seem to screw up at an alarming rate. They generally have been weak this season in the pits and they have also been weak from a strategic standpoint. That has to change.


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http://en.espnf1.com/PICTURES/CMS/15600/15666.jpg

haha jenson is such a killjoy

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haha jenson is such a killjoy

Maybe that is his funny face :-P


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 5:53 pm 
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Why laugh, when he knows that few of those happy faces made a mistake that cost him a podium.


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Last year in Hungary, Lewis was jobbed out of the win by the team strategy which favoured Button in every respect...and at the team celebration pic who was it but Hamilton who was messing around with Jessica and Jenson?

poor strategy doesn't mean u dont gotta join in on the team celebrations :-P

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Last year in Hungary, Lewis was jobbed out of the win by the team strategy which favoured Button in every respect...and at the team celebration pic who was it but Hamilton who was messing around with Jessica and Jenson?

poor strategy doesn't mean u dont gotta join in on the team celebrations :-P



you realise that in that race Jenson was given the same call but didn't pit. so the only thing that favoured JB was himself.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 6:06 pm 
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But hey, I'm happy as long it's not the team with cows facing each other.... :lol:


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But hey, I'm happy as long it's not the team with cows facing each other.... :lol:

which one? they have two teams

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But hey, I'm happy as long it's not the team with cows facing each other.... :lol:

which one? they have two teams


The big one, obviously.


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Interesting Read: http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news ... 81001.html
Interview with Sam Michael:

He said the team was not sure if Lewis tyres would last at the last stint.
(remember the converstion between Sam Michael & Lewis before the podium)
Lewis/ McLaren drove as fast as they could but had always to keep the tyres in good shape
Lotus was faster than McLaren. McLaren was only faster at qualy and pit stops
It was on knifes edge with the tyres the whole race
The pit radio from Raikkönen, as he reported he could only overtake Lewis if his tyres would fall of the cliff, was a huge relief for the team.
They waited for an overtaking attack of Raikkönen at the end, they thought he would save all his KERS for it, but he had to use up his KERS to keep in touch with Hamilton.

And Sam Michael denies that the (wrong) strategy ruined Jenson Buttons race
He said : His ( JB's) tyre degeneration was too big. If you had a look at the lap times. We realised from an early stage of the race a 2 stop strategy would be impossible for him. He could not keep up the speed therefore.
He lost too much time behind Bruno Senna , because of this it would have been very, very difficult to finish 3rd or 4th

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:19 pm 
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so JB just does not know how to get grip on his front tyres.


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Johnston wrote:
TorrentialPace wrote:
Last year in Hungary, Lewis was jobbed out of the win by the team strategy which favoured Button in every respect...and at the team celebration pic who was it but Hamilton who was messing around with Jessica and Jenson?

poor strategy doesn't mean u dont gotta join in on the team celebrations :-P



you realise that in that race Jenson was given the same call but didn't pit. so the only thing that favoured JB was himself.

Lewis was given the same plan b call as Jenson too. :-P :-P


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 6:33 pm 
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nike2die4 wrote:
Johnston wrote:
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Last year in Hungary, Lewis was jobbed out of the win by the team strategy which favoured Button in every respect...and at the team celebration pic who was it but Hamilton who was messing around with Jessica and Jenson?

poor strategy doesn't mean u dont gotta join in on the team celebrations :-P



you realise that in that race Jenson was given the same call but didn't pit. so the only thing that favoured JB was himself.

Lewis was given the same plan b call as Jenson too. :-P :-P

These arguments are only to be mentioned if it makes Jenson look smarter, they are not valid if they are the other way round. Jenson is an amazing driver and if he cannot get the heat in the tyres or a poor strategy or has poor qualy or race pace, we should always find ways to blame the team :-P


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nike2die4 wrote:
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Last year in Hungary, Lewis was jobbed out of the win by the team strategy which favoured Button in every respect...and at the team celebration pic who was it but Hamilton who was messing around with Jessica and Jenson?

poor strategy doesn't mean u dont gotta join in on the team celebrations :-P



you realise that in that race Jenson was given the same call but didn't pit. so the only thing that favoured JB was himself.

Lewis was given the same plan b call as Jenson too. :-P :-P



And the first time Jens questioned it and they basically said as yopur were.

The second time(We heard) the words were "You Have to go to plan B "

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Johnston wrote:
nike2die4 wrote:
Johnston wrote:
TorrentialPace wrote:
Last year in Hungary, Lewis was jobbed out of the win by the team strategy which favoured Button in every respect...and at the team celebration pic who was it but Hamilton who was messing around with Jessica and Jenson?

poor strategy doesn't mean u dont gotta join in on the team celebrations :-P



you realise that in that race Jenson was given the same call but didn't pit. so the only thing that favoured JB was himself.

Lewis was given the same plan b call as Jenson too. :-P :-P



And the first time Jens questioned it and they basically said as yopur were.

The second time(We heard) the words were "You Have to go to plan B "

judging from Hamilton and Sam's comments,it seems there was debate too on the radio if they should pit or not.


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I still believe that the McLaren is faster then the lotus, but it just ruins its tyres doing it, thats where the lotus comes in , its fast and kind on its rubber.


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I still believe that the McLaren is faster then the lotus, but it just ruins its tyres doing it, thats where the lotus comes in , its fast and kind on its rubber.

I think McLaren is faster over one lap. Lotus is faster at long runs. And this is because of the tyres

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Jenson Button admitted it was his wrong set up direction wich caused the struggles over several races .
Not the car, not the tyres.
I wonder why McLaren watched it such a long time before they did something.
They wasted precious development time ond points due to Buttons attempt to find more "direction" with the tyres

He said his issues with the Pirelli tyres had led to the team taking the wrong direction around Monaco.
"I find [the tyres] very difficult to understand, that's why we tried a few new things this year in Canada and Monaco and places like that, because I felt I needed to find a bit more direction with the tyres, and what we tried definitely didn't work," Button said

( source autosport.com)

They should have told him earlier to copy Lewis set up like he did at Valencia wich brought him back on track.

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it is over JB!


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The team and Lewis haven't reached an agreement yet....cause for concern?

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TorrentialPace wrote:
The team and Lewis haven't reached an agreement yet....cause for concern?

Lewis is just smart enough to wait if they back him at the 2nd half of the season, for the WDC

"Don't pay the ferryman, don't even fix the price, until he got you on the other side"

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:51 am 
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TorrentialPace wrote:
The team and Lewis haven't reached an agreement yet....cause for concern?

Yup for the team ;)


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Sabrina wrote:
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The team and Lewis haven't reached an agreement yet....cause for concern?

Lewis is just smart enough to wait if they back him at the 2nd half of the season, for the WDC

"Don't pay the ferryman, don't even fix the price, until he got you on the other side"



And the team are maybe smart enough not to divulge info to a man going elsewhere ;)

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Johnston wrote:
Sabrina wrote:
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The team and Lewis haven't reached an agreement yet....cause for concern?

Lewis is just smart enough to wait if they back him at the 2nd half of the season, for the WDC

"Don't pay the ferryman, don't even fix the price, until he got you on the other side"



And the team are maybe smart enough not to divulge info to a man going elsewhere ;)

Looks like the driving force behind being keen on keeping Lewis at McLaren, is McLaren
We had Dennis saying, he is pretty sure Lewis will stay
We had Whitmarsh who is sure about Lewis will stay
We had Neale who is confident Lewis will sign a new contract

We had Lewis himself saying....?? I must have missed it

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Means nothing until a deal is done.

Nothing anyone says to the press means anything until pen gets put on paper and makes a squiggly line.

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So if McLaren finish 1-2 in the race tomorrow, they wrap up 2nd in the constructors. So here is hoping to that with Lewis beating JB 0.055 seconds over the line 8) :thumbup:


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Season summery? :?


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Yikes. I know it's only FP1 but McLaren looked nowhere. And I've never heard them just aim to "score some points" in the first race before. Either this is a new tactic of being downbeat, an epic piece of sandbagging or they have work to do.

Then again it could just be FP1 on a green track with no one wanting to put serious mileage in ;-)


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McLarens lack of pace isn't really a shock....they radically redesigned their very fast 2012 car and handed it to a young driver who is new to the team and JB....who whilst very talented is very sensitive and cannot "drive around" problems like Lewis or Alonso can.

We can only hope that they can pick up a few points and that they can improve the car as much as they think they can going forward.

Pretty sure they would have wanted a better starting point than this though.

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I have to wonder if we could see McLaren follow the path of Williams.

Losing major sponsors, losing engine deal, losing key drivers (Kimi, Hamilton) losing key mechanical personal, having failed for the past 10 years to convert good speed into many titles.

It just feels like they could move into a real slump


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PHOTO: Unconfirmed reports that McLaren are flying last year's car to Australia.

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/ph ... QqErCEtIQ_


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This aimed at me?


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infi24r wrote:
I have to wonder if we could see McLaren follow the path of Williams.

Losing major sponsors, losing engine deal, losing key drivers (Kimi, Hamilton) losing key mechanical personal, having failed for the past 10 years to convert good speed into many titles.

It just feels like they could move into a real slump


I really hope not. I think McLaren will bounce back, but FP1 and FP2 really arent a good start!
I wonder if they just need a re-shuffle and to get some new people on board, there have been too many seasons in recent years where they have started off the pace.


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PHOTO: Unconfirmed reports that McLaren are flying last year's car to Australia.

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/ph ... QqErCEtIQ_


Link didn't work for me, but this one did: http://twitpic.com/cbisme

Lol?


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SteveC84 wrote:
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This aimed at me?


No, mods removed my message.

My point still stands. The car in the image is the mp4-26 and not the mp4-27 (last years car).

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