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They have gone wrong by trusting in Jensons feedback , he has led them down a blind alley and there is hardly any way back, he demands a precise feel to his car to perform, the tyres and lack of rear blown diffuser wont ever let a car behave the way Jenson wants it to, when Jenson couldn't get his car to perform every ( and I mean EVERY ) engineer in McLaren was ripping apart Lewis's data to make Jensons car perform and get a car that suited Jensons style, these cars will never suit Jensons style, Jenson only came good in the years of double diffuser and blown diffuser allowing him the precise feel he needs to perform, following Jensons needs will wreck this car and any hopes of a championship, be warned McLaren.

Its fairly evident to see that McLarens finance and aerodynamic department have been sacrificed for there Animated series and over exaggerated London Prix..
As a JB&LH fan, it was hard to watch yesterday. Especially when Lewis Team Engineer was telling him at the beginning your doing as well if not better than the guys in front..

If they haven't sorted it out by Germany - they might as well start developing the car for next year.

Its fairly evident to see that McLarens finance and aerodynamic department have been sacrificed for there Animated series and over exaggerated London Prix..
As a JB&LH fan, it was hard to watch yesterday. Especially when Lewis Team Engineer was telling him at the beginning your doing as well if not better than the guys in front..

If they haven't sorted it out by Germany - they might as well start developing the car for next year.

They have gone wrong by trusting in Jensons feedback , he has led them down a blind alley and there is hardly any way back, he demands a precise feel to his car to perform, the tyres and lack of rear blown diffuser wont ever let a car behave the way Jenson wants it to, when Jenson couldn't get his car to perform every ( and I mean EVERY ) engineer in McLaren was ripping apart Lewis's data to make Jensons car perform and get a car that suited Jensons style, these cars will never suit Jensons style, Jenson only came good in the years of double diffuser and blown diffuser allowing him the precise feel he needs to perform, following Jensons needs will wreck this car and any hopes of a championship, be warned McLaren.

Except Lewis went down a different path. So how come his Path the one Jenson is now using is exactly 8 seconds in front of Jenson in the same machinery despite being 8 places apart on the grid?

As for EVERY engineer in McLaren was ripping apart Lewis's data. The engineers always dissect the data after a GP anyway. A big deal has been made because Lewis said the media he seen them do it

The development went in direction to make Button faster, maybe it's the wrong direction for Lewis
6 places
+
Perez DNF
Maldonado fell behind
Hulkenberg run wide

Lewis had other strategy, Michaels agreed it was a mistake, the short stint on the options

No the development was to make the CAR faster. You keep forgetting for some reason that Button is now follow Lewis' lead on the car these days.

which is absolutely incorrect, Jenson wanted the car developed a certain way after bahrain and the team went with that, as for the guy earlier who pointed out data is shared, we are not talking about aharing here we are talking about Lewis's engineers( cheif engineer and all ) in and poring over every piece of Lewis's data for Jenson, thats how lewis put it in a interview and it is obvious that he was not happy

No the development was to make the CAR faster. You keep forgetting for some reason that Button is now follow Lewis' lead on the car these days.

They have gone wrong by trusting in Jensons feedback , he has led them down a blind alley and there is hardly any way back, he demands a precise feel to his car to perform, the tyres and lack of rear blown diffuser wont ever let a car behave the way Jenson wants it to, when Jenson couldn't get his car to perform every ( and I mean EVERY ) engineer in McLaren was ripping apart Lewis's data to make Jensons car perform and get a car that suited Jensons style, these cars will never suit Jensons style, Jenson only came good in the years of double diffuser and blown diffuser allowing him the precise feel he needs to perform, following Jensons needs will wreck this car and any hopes of a championship, be warned McLaren.

They follow McLaren, wich made a compromise for both cars, to help JB

With the standard set-ups for Button and Hamilton apparently having deviated away from each other, the support between the two garages is very limited - so McLaren now appears to be looking to steer a more collaborative direction.

By pooling resources between the two garages in Valencia this weekend, they hope to get a more converged car set-up that performs well for both drivers.

This could provide significant benefit — as it effectively doubles the amount of time the team has to work towards set-up on the Friday — but it needs both sides of the garage to be happy to take a steer from each other's findings.

It's generally recognised that McLaren has the best car on the grid — but with only one driver on form, they risk throwing away the potential of a strong constructors' crown.

If Hamilton and his engineers can be convinced to help Button recover for the good of the team, then McLaren could rise to the top as the season heads towards a crucial point.

Valencia they run this base set up for both cars. Lewis was not happy with it. He said they got it wrong . He used all FPs to change to a set up to his likings. Therefore he had no time for a long run to evaluate tyre usage. And at the GP he run into problems with high degeneration in the end.

Jenson Button will use Lewis Hamilton's set-up to begin his European Grand Prix weekend in order to start from a solid baseline.

Having struggled badly in recent races, Button is more hopeful ahead of Valencia after McLaren revealed it had found some "very subtle" differences between its two cars. Button admitted that he would start the weekend with Hamilton's set-up after his team-mate won in Canada, and then work to tune it to his own driving style.

The slow down started after there was a "Clarification" and they had to change the front splitter.

They have gone wrong by trusting in Jensons feedback , he has led them down a blind alley and there is hardly any way back, he demands a precise feel to his car to perform, the tyres and lack of rear blown diffuser wont ever let a car behave the way Jenson wants it to, when Jenson couldn't get his car to perform every ( and I mean EVERY ) engineer in McLaren was ripping apart Lewis's data to make Jensons car perform and get a car that suited Jensons style, these cars will never suit Jensons style, Jenson only came good in the years of double diffuser and blown diffuser allowing him the precise feel he needs to perform, following Jensons needs will wreck this car and any hopes of a championship, be warned McLaren.

So why was this much less of a problem for him in the earlier races? Jenson and McLaren would probably love to know the answer to that too. But there is at least one key rival convinced it has something to do with an FIA clarification made during the Chinese Grand Prix weekend regarding the McLaren's splitter aft of the nose.

It's believed McLaren was taking advantage of the production tolerance allowed for the floor - which has to be flat but which is allowed a few millimetres tolerance - by considering the splitter as part of the floor. The clarification put a stop to this. McLaren insists this had no serious impact upon the car's aerodynamic performance, but others are less sure. Could it have allowed just enough rake on the car for even Jenson to get the front tyres up to temperature? It's only a theory. But at the time of writing, theories were all even Button and the team had.

http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1/news/22058/7808830/Just-why-has-Button-become-undone-

http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1/news/22058/7808830/Just-why-has-Button-become-undone-

But yet all from McLaren was that Button was using Lewis Setup. Thats the bit you conveniently ignore. that button went over to Lwis Data. Not middle ground but Lewis Set up.

Edit To counter your quote.

http://en.espnf1.com/mclaren/motorsport ... 81863.html

So why had Lewis to use a set up not to his liking at Valencia to start with?

The used Lewis data, do design a set up wich would fit Both drivers
So both had a set up to start with wich was made from the engineers at the simulator at MCL
Lewis needed all FPs to sort it out to his likings
It was not HIS set up, it was a set up made with the use of his data

It's hard to take Johnson seriously when he's got a clear biased towards Jenson and against Lewis. He's denying facts about how a team runs.

In most teams they work hard to make sure both drivers are as fast and happy as possible. If one driver is struggling for pace they will put that extra effort in to help that driver to solve his problems and get faster again (In this case Jenson) And this does naturally sometimes have an effect on the development of the other driver and often the development of the car. It's just a natural happening within teams.

I am a big supporter of all drivers but I always support Jenson and Lewis to the most and don't have anything against either of them, I want them both to do well and help McLaren win titles, but when Jenson is struggling like he is it does have a negative effect on the team.

Ok lets be blunt, If macca want to concentrate on Jenson who has been woeful lately then they will compete with Merc / Lotus at best, concentrate on Hamilton and they will compete with Red Bull / Ferrari, jenson at the moment couldn't drive his way out of a car park and is only becoming mediocre using info from Lewis, he only came good with double diffuser and blown diffusers , without that he was chomping his gums way down in the nether regions of the grid, plus why they should help Lewis, try imagining having to explain to your board you lost your best performing driver with a amazing fan base and income producer because you wanted your poorer driver to start performing and now you have taken on Di Resta to replace him because of your ineptitude, you can kiss your position goodbye.

Sorry but who was the first non Ferrari in the WDC in I think '04?

Mclaren has stated that the MP4-27 is fine! really guys,really!

Mclaren has stated that the MP4-27 is fine! really guys,really!

Paddy is strongly favoring that car has NO problems. hardhead makes a softass Paddy!

Well heres a thing.

Why should Macca concentrate on Lewis?

He won't commit to the team so him winning the WDC wouldn't actually get them anything other than being able to put a laurel on their walls in the garages.

They could give him everything on the track. Just for him to sign for another team for more money and his trophies.

It's nearly mid way through the season. It's getting close to the stage when teams would start withholding info on this years car AND the development of next years.

How would that help his WDC chances? AND it would be of his own doing.

Paddy is strongly favoring that car has NO problems. hardhead makes a softass Paddy!

How do you know he won't commit to McLaren?

Why shoud they not concentrate on the driver who brings the double points per race than the other driver?
Usually the driver who wins the WDC brings the most points for the team, It's WCC points also.
Wasn't it better to have one driver who can bring the big points than to have 2 who run for the minor points?

How do you know he will?

At this point McLaren don't know, otherwise it would have been done. What's the point in putting your eggs in a basket, that may not be hanging off your arm next year?