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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:22 am 
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You dismiss this, but if he had been in P5 during that first stint and waited out everyone's stops, he'd of been P1 and come back in right in the mix with the front runners.


Would he have? Rosberg came out of his first stop in P2, with Hamilton in P1. I don't think the pace of the Red Bull was anywhere near close enough to be in a position to be leading the race (albeit due to the stops) in normal conditions. The order at Monza was pretty clear: Mercedes, Williams, the rest. Without any accidents, I reckon P5 was the best Red Bull could've achieved there. Dan could've held his spot off the line (or he could have made up a couple like Seb did), but ultimately I'd say the end result would've been the same.


I just used that to mean that he would have been in a closer position to the front on the grid. With the speed he had, he could have possibly challenged the Williams.


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You dismiss this, but if he had been in P5 during that first stint and waited out everyone's stops, he'd of been P1 and come back in right in the mix with the front runners.


Would he have? Rosberg came out of his first stop in P2, with Hamilton in P1. I don't think the pace of the Red Bull was anywhere near close enough to be in a position to be leading the race (albeit due to the stops) in normal conditions. The order at Monza was pretty clear: Mercedes, Williams, the rest. Without any accidents, I reckon P5 was the best Red Bull could've achieved there. Dan could've held his spot off the line (or he could have made up a couple like Seb did), but ultimately I'd say the end result would've been the same.


I just used that to mean that he would have been in a closer position to the front on the grid. With the speed he had, he could have possibly challenged the Williams.


So your current line of reasoning is criticizing Ricciardo for being so fast?


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You dismiss this, but if he had been in P5 during that first stint and waited out everyone's stops, he'd of been P1 and come back in right in the mix with the front runners.


Would he have? Rosberg came out of his first stop in P2, with Hamilton in P1. I don't think the pace of the Red Bull was anywhere near close enough to be in a position to be leading the race (albeit due to the stops) in normal conditions. The order at Monza was pretty clear: Mercedes, Williams, the rest. Without any accidents, I reckon P5 was the best Red Bull could've achieved there. Dan could've held his spot off the line (or he could have made up a couple like Seb did), but ultimately I'd say the end result would've been the same.


I just used that to mean that he would have been in a closer position to the front on the grid. With the speed he had, he could have possibly challenged the Williams.


So your current line of reasoning is criticizing Ricciardo for being so fast?


Pointing out his start compromised his race is quite clearly what Bourbon19 is saying, which they might very well be correct about. Last time I heard Dan wasn't sure if he made a mistake at the start or if it was a clutch problem, has that come out yet?

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When Ricciardo overtook Button, Perez and Magnussen I became pregnant. When Ricciardo overtook Vettel my water broke.

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Look at the comparison in times to Ricciardo and put to bed this 7 lap fresher tyre's excuse.

Vettel got overtaken about 7 laps from the end and look at his pace. Let's compare it to Ricciardo's pace on the last lap. That way we can compare how fast Vettel was on 27 lap old tyres and how fast Ricciardo was on 27 lap old tyres.

Also Ricciardo would have taken more life out of his tyres having to overtake so many cars to get from 12th to 5th so if anything Vettel running in clear air should have much much fresher tyres.

Yet look at Ricciardos final lap when he put the hammer down a 128.5 WOWW Yet Vettel at the same time was 1 second slower. If Ricciardo did not chew up his tyres with so many overtakes and fighting he would have have been 1.5 to 2 seconds quicker than Vettel.

The guy is so fast compared to Vettel that comparing these 2 lately is just absurd. Vettel is the slowest number 2 team mate on the grid this year and if he keeps up such a slow pace needs to be replaced. Especially after 3 chassis changes and still no answers from Vettel he is just getting slower really or Ricciardo faster or a combination of both. Hopefully he can turn it around soon otherwise they should seriously look to promote Kyvatt to his seat next year.

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The guy is so fast compared to Vettel that comparing these 2 lately is just absurd. Vettel is the slowest number 2 team mate on the grid this year and if he keeps up such a slow pace needs to be replaced. Especially after 3 chassis changes and still no answers from Vettel he is just getting slower really or Ricciardo faster or a combination of both. Hopefully he can turn it around soon otherwise they should seriously look to promote Kyvatt to his seat next year.

You're right, let's replace the 4-time WDC with a 20-year-old who's (so far) had one good season. :lol: :lol:

If anyone needs replacing, it should be Kimi.

Anyhow, a storming race from Dan today, this guy really is showing the world he's got the credentials to take the fight to the best of them. :thumbup: :thumbup:

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When Ricciardo overtook Button, Perez and Magnussen I became pregnant. When Ricciardo overtook Vettel my water broke.

Thanks mate :lol:

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The guy is so fast compared to Vettel that comparing these 2 lately is just absurd. Vettel is the slowest number 2 team mate on the grid this year and if he keeps up such a slow pace needs to be replaced. Especially after 3 chassis changes and still no answers from Vettel he is just getting slower really or Ricciardo faster or a combination of both. Hopefully he can turn it around soon otherwise they should seriously look to promote Kyvatt to his seat next year.

You're right, let's replace the 4-time WDC with a 20-year-old who's (so far) had one good season. :lol: :lol:

If anyone needs replacing, it should be Kimi.

Anyhow, a storming race from Dan today, this guy really is showing the world he's got the credentials to take the fight to the best of them. :thumbup: :thumbup:


Your right Kimi and Vettel both are performing so poorly they both should be replaced if they cannot step up their game.
They still have 6 races to redeem themselves.
Vettel is performing slightly worse than Kimi though. The Ferrari is a much slower car as well. Also redbull has now given Vettel 3 new chassis changes to him and thrown the entire kitchen sink at him to make him faster. Kimi has not had 3 new chassis changes and all the team support behind him. Also Kimi stepped into Team Alonso with the best proven driver on the grid as a team mate and a car built around Alonso somewhat. Ricciardo stepped into Team Vettel. Ricciardo also was a driver who was not even considered top 10 last year. That is what makes Vettel's performance this year alot worse than Kimi's in comparison to team mates when all factors are considered.

Riccardo is also on 1 million and Vettel 30 million according to sources which makes him look extremely over priced for what you getting with Ricciardo. Vettel is the number 2 driver yet getting 30 times the salary of ricciardo.

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Alright, probably a time to take a step back for a second, Peter. Red Bull shouldn't drop Vettel because he's a 4x WDC. I don't subscribe to the idea that teams should be more willing to hold onto a driver because he's got history with the team, but finishing (when they both finished) 1.3 spots behind Ricciardo on average after 13 races isn't reason to give the boot to a driver. Only in Hungary and Belgium did Vettel truly look in trouble, and he's always going to when his team-mate has such impressive victories. He's not really been on Ricciardo's pace much all year, that's a fact, but it could very easily swing the other way next year if Red Bull sort themselves out and Renault pull their fingers out.

So yes, Ricciardo is beating Vettel on an impressively regular basis, but it's not yet time for Seb to be handing out resumes at other teams.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 10:38 am 
What a breath of fresh air Ricciardo is! During the weekend it looked like Vettel was the faster of the two and I thought he would finish ahead. But there came Ricciardo and what beautiful overtakes he did, specially the one on Vettel!

Sure Vettel had older tires and they probably did pit him too early. But anyway, Ricciardo is full of surprises and his racecraft is at the top! I saw an interview after the qualy and he said it wasn't the best result but he was still smiling! I hope he can keep up this good form, he is something to look out for in the future.


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Peter77 wrote:
The guy is so fast compared to Vettel that comparing these 2 lately is just absurd. Vettel is the slowest number 2 team mate on the grid this year and if he keeps up such a slow pace needs to be replaced. Especially after 3 chassis changes and still no answers from Vettel he is just getting slower really or Ricciardo faster or a combination of both. Hopefully he can turn it around soon otherwise they should seriously look to promote Kyvatt to his seat next year.

I'd really like to support Dan as he's such a likeable chap but his fans... jeez. Can't do it.

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When Ricciardo overtook Button, Perez and Magnussen I became pregnant. When Ricciardo overtook Vettel my water broke.


Woww....how long again did it take Ricciardo to catch Vettel after passing Magnussen etc? It seem much quicker to me that what you are saying.
I assume you missed the end of the race then :(

Actually I think you should have turned off the set for the earlier overtake as well ;) A little distracting?


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Covalent wrote:
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The guy is so fast compared to Vettel that comparing these 2 lately is just absurd. Vettel is the slowest number 2 team mate on the grid this year and if he keeps up such a slow pace needs to be replaced. Especially after 3 chassis changes and still no answers from Vettel he is just getting slower really or Ricciardo faster or a combination of both. Hopefully he can turn it around soon otherwise they should seriously look to promote Kyvatt to his seat next year.

I'd really like to support Dan as he's such a likeable chap but his fans... jeez. Can't do it.


I'm a Ricciardo fan and I completely disagree with Peter.


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The guy is so fast compared to Vettel that comparing these 2 lately is just absurd. Vettel is the slowest number 2 team mate on the grid this year and if he keeps up such a slow pace needs to be replaced. Especially after 3 chassis changes and still no answers from Vettel he is just getting slower really or Ricciardo faster or a combination of both. Hopefully he can turn it around soon otherwise they should seriously look to promote Kyvatt to his seat next year.

I'd really like to support Dan as he's such a likeable chap but his fans... jeez. Can't do it.


I'm a Ricciardo fan and I completely disagree with Peter.

Sorry I shouldn't have generalized!

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Hi Covalent - as you would have seen from my range of posts across various topics - I don't agree with Peter77 either

I think 'most' DR fans are (to date) reasonably balanced.


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Covalent wrote:
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Covalent wrote:
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The guy is so fast compared to Vettel that comparing these 2 lately is just absurd. Vettel is the slowest number 2 team mate on the grid this year and if he keeps up such a slow pace needs to be replaced. Especially after 3 chassis changes and still no answers from Vettel he is just getting slower really or Ricciardo faster or a combination of both. Hopefully he can turn it around soon otherwise they should seriously look to promote Kyvatt to his seat next year.

I'd really like to support Dan as he's such a likeable chap but his fans... jeez. Can't do it.


I'm a Ricciardo fan and I completely disagree with Peter.

Sorry I shouldn't have generalized!



What are you disagreeing with? That Vettel is the slowest number 2 out their this year compared to Ricciardo?
I did not just make that statement out of nowhere. I pasted data to back it up. it is nice of you not to reply to the data but copy and paste the end and insult me for no reason. Ill repaste it as clearly you did not read the rest of it.
If you dispute my findings then offer some constructive reasoning so we can all hear.

http://macofan.com/en/index.php?page=ch ... 928&graf=3
Look at the comparison in times to Ricciardo and put to bed this 7 lap fresher tyre's excuse.

Vettel got overtaken about 7 laps from the end and look at his pace. Let's compare it to Ricciardo's pace on the last lap. That way we can compare how fast Vettel was on 27 lap old tyres and how fast Ricciardo was on 27 lap old tyres.

Also Ricciardo would have taken more life out of his tyres having to overtake so many cars to get from 12th to 5th so if anything Vettel running in clear air should have much much fresher tyres.

Yet look at Ricciardos final lap when he put the hammer down a 128.5 WOWW Yet Vettel at the same time was 1 second slower. If Ricciardo did not chew up his tyres with so many overtakes and fighting he would have have been 1.5 to 2 seconds quicker than Vettel.

Vettel is clearly the slowest number 2 out on the track this year in alot of races. Vergne was never this slow compared to Ricciardo.
The lap times clearly show this especially in the last 2 races.

I even said "hopefully" Vettel can turn this around for the rest of the year. If he "cannot" then they should look to promote Kyvatt. Meaning if he continues to lap 1 second a lap slower in the rest of the season then yes 100% he should be replaced with Kyvatt next year. Name 1 team principal who would not consider replacing a driver 1 second a lap slower in race pace?

Vettel has another new chassis for Singapore so hopefully he can find some speed in the races as if he doesn't it is not looking good for him. 4xWDC or not. Drivers need to perform on the track. Ricciardo is only on 1 million this year and Vettel 30 million. On top he has had 4 chassis changes this year costing many more millions over Ricciardo. Teams need to look at return on investment for a driver also.

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Covalent wrote:
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Covalent wrote:
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The guy is so fast compared to Vettel that comparing these 2 lately is just absurd. Vettel is the slowest number 2 team mate on the grid this year and if he keeps up such a slow pace needs to be replaced. Especially after 3 chassis changes and still no answers from Vettel he is just getting slower really or Ricciardo faster or a combination of both. Hopefully he can turn it around soon otherwise they should seriously look to promote Kyvatt to his seat next year.

I'd really like to support Dan as he's such a likeable chap but his fans... jeez. Can't do it.


I'm a Ricciardo fan and I completely disagree with Peter.

Sorry I shouldn't have generalized!


:lol: indeed... also another (relatively) rational Ricciardo fan... (Relatively Rational Ricciardo Rater, perhaps?)

Great race on Sunday, as usual. Looking forward to Singapore!

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Covalent wrote:
Juzzy82 wrote:
Covalent wrote:
Peter77 wrote:
The guy is so fast compared to Vettel that comparing these 2 lately is just absurd. Vettel is the slowest number 2 team mate on the grid this year and if he keeps up such a slow pace needs to be replaced. Especially after 3 chassis changes and still no answers from Vettel he is just getting slower really or Ricciardo faster or a combination of both. Hopefully he can turn it around soon otherwise they should seriously look to promote Kyvatt to his seat next year.

I'd really like to support Dan as he's such a likeable chap but his fans... jeez. Can't do it.


I'm a Ricciardo fan and I completely disagree with Peter.

Sorry I shouldn't have generalized!


:lol: indeed... also another (relatively) rational Ricciardo fan... (Relatively Rational Ricciardo Rater, perhaps?)

Great race on Sunday, as usual. Looking forward to Singapore!

:thumbup: I have a feeling Singapore will suit RB mighty well.

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So Vettel's getting a 'new' chassis for Singapore. New to him that is ... it's actually the one Ricciardo's been using all year.

(Don't flame me, I'm just stirring.)


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Sooner or later someone's going to have to admit it isn't anything wrong with the chassis...

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Sooner or later someone's going to have to admit it isn't anything wrong with the chassis...



Nothing wrong with the tub, it's the chassis. It simply suits Daniel better than it does Seb and Daniel is exploiting it like a good F1 driver will.

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Peter77 wrote:
Covalent wrote:
Juzzy82 wrote:
Covalent wrote:
Peter77 wrote:
The guy is so fast compared to Vettel that comparing these 2 lately is just absurd. Vettel is the slowest number 2 team mate on the grid this year and if he keeps up such a slow pace needs to be replaced. Especially after 3 chassis changes and still no answers from Vettel he is just getting slower really or Ricciardo faster or a combination of both. Hopefully he can turn it around soon otherwise they should seriously look to promote Kyvatt to his seat next year.

I'd really like to support Dan as he's such a likeable chap but his fans... jeez. Can't do it.


I'm a Ricciardo fan and I completely disagree with Peter.

Sorry I shouldn't have generalized!



What are you disagreeing with? That Vettel is the slowest number 2 out their this year compared to Ricciardo?
I did not just make that statement out of nowhere. I pasted data to back it up. it is nice of you not to reply to the data but copy and paste the end and insult me for no reason. Ill repaste it as clearly you did not read the rest of it.
If you dispute my findings then offer some constructive reasoning so we can all hear.

http://macofan.com/en/index.php?page=ch ... 928&graf=3
Look at the comparison in times to Ricciardo and put to bed this 7 lap fresher tyre's excuse.

Vettel got overtaken about 7 laps from the end and look at his pace. Let's compare it to Ricciardo's pace on the last lap. That way we can compare how fast Vettel was on 27 lap old tyres and how fast Ricciardo was on 27 lap old tyres.

Also Ricciardo would have taken more life out of his tyres having to overtake so many cars to get from 12th to 5th so if anything Vettel running in clear air should have much much fresher tyres.

Yet look at Ricciardos final lap when he put the hammer down a 128.5 WOWW Yet Vettel at the same time was 1 second slower. If Ricciardo did not chew up his tyres with so many overtakes and fighting he would have have been 1.5 to 2 seconds quicker than Vettel.

Vettel is clearly the slowest number 2 out on the track this year in alot of races. Vergne was never this slow compared to Ricciardo.
The lap times clearly show this especially in the last 2 races.

I even said "hopefully" Vettel can turn this around for the rest of the year. If he "cannot" then they should look to promote Kyvatt. Meaning if he continues to lap 1 second a lap slower in the rest of the season then yes 100% he should be replaced with Kyvatt next year. Name 1 team principal who would not consider replacing a driver 1 second a lap slower in race pace?

Vettel has another new chassis for Singapore so hopefully he can find some speed in the races as if he doesn't it is not looking good for him. 4xWDC or not. Drivers need to perform on the track. Ricciardo is only on 1 million this year and Vettel 30 million. On top he has had 4 chassis changes this year costing many more millions over Ricciardo. Teams need to look at return on investment for a driver also.

This is at least the fourth time you've posted the exact same "WOWW" post in various threads, it's just too OTT to be taken seriously even if there happens to be a good point there somewhere.

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Covalent wrote:
Peter77 wrote:
Covalent wrote:
Covalent wrote:
Peter77 wrote:
The guy is so fast compared to Vettel that comparing these 2 lately is just absurd. Vettel is the slowest number 2 team mate on the grid this year and if he keeps up such a slow pace needs to be replaced. Especially after 3 chassis changes and still no answers from Vettel he is just getting slower really or Ricciardo faster or a combination of both. Hopefully he can turn it around soon otherwise they should seriously look to promote Kyvatt to his seat next year.

I'd really like to support Dan as he's such a likeable chap but his fans... jeez. Can't do it.




What are you disagreeing with? That Vettel is the slowest number 2 out their this year compared to Ricciardo?
I did not just make that statement out of nowhere. I pasted data to back it up. it is nice of you not to reply to the data but copy and paste the end and insult me for no reason. Ill repaste it as clearly you did not read the rest of it.
If you dispute my findings then offer some constructive reasoning so we can all hear.

http://macofan.com/en/index.php?page=ch ... 928&graf=3
Look at the comparison in times to Ricciardo and put to bed this 7 lap fresher tyre's excuse.

Vettel got overtaken about 7 laps from the end and look at his pace. Let's compare it to Ricciardo's pace on the last lap. That way we can compare how fast Vettel was on 27 lap old tyres and how fast Ricciardo was on 27 lap old tyres.

Also Ricciardo would have taken more life out of his tyres having to overtake so many cars to get from 12th to 5th so if anything Vettel running in clear air should have much much fresher tyres.

Yet look at Ricciardos final lap when he put the hammer down a 128.5 WOWW Yet Vettel at the same time was 1 second slower. If Ricciardo did not chew up his tyres with so many overtakes and fighting he would have have been 1.5 to 2 seconds quicker than Vettel.

Vettel is clearly the slowest number 2 out on the track this year in alot of races. Vergne was never this slow compared to Ricciardo.
The lap times clearly show this especially in the last 2 races.

I even said "hopefully" Vettel can turn this around for the rest of the year. If he "cannot" then they should look to promote Kyvatt. Meaning if he continues to lap 1 second a lap slower in the rest of the season then yes 100% he should be replaced with Kyvatt next year. Name 1 team principal who would not consider replacing a driver 1 second a lap slower in race pace?

Vettel has another new chassis for Singapore so hopefully he can find some speed in the races as if he doesn't it is not looking good for him. 4xWDC or not. Drivers need to perform on the track. Ricciardo is only on 1 million this year and Vettel 30 million. On top he has had 4 chassis changes this year costing many more millions over Ricciardo. Teams need to look at return on investment for a driver also.

This is at least the fourth time you've posted the exact same "WOWW" post in various threads, it's just too OTT to be taken seriously even if there happens to be a good point there somewhere.


Thanks Covalent your very sweet to read it 4 times. Glad to hear you agree with me :)

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Peter77 wrote:
Covalent wrote:
Juzzy82 wrote:
Covalent wrote:
Peter77 wrote:
The guy is so fast compared to Vettel that comparing these 2 lately is just absurd. Vettel is the slowest number 2 team mate on the grid this year and if he keeps up such a slow pace needs to be replaced. Especially after 3 chassis changes and still no answers from Vettel he is just getting slower really or Ricciardo faster or a combination of both. Hopefully he can turn it around soon otherwise they should seriously look to promote Kyvatt to his seat next year.

I'd really like to support Dan as he's such a likeable chap but his fans... jeez. Can't do it.


I'm a Ricciardo fan and I completely disagree with Peter.

Sorry I shouldn't have generalized!



What are you disagreeing with? That Vettel is the slowest number 2 out their this year compared to Ricciardo?
I did not just make that statement out of nowhere. I pasted data to back it up. it is nice of you not to reply to the data but copy and paste the end and insult me for no reason. Ill repaste it as clearly you did not read the rest of it.
If you dispute my findings then offer some constructive reasoning so we can all hear.

http://macofan.com/en/index.php?page=ch ... 928&graf=3
Look at the comparison in times to Ricciardo and put to bed this 7 lap fresher tyre's excuse.

Vettel got overtaken about 7 laps from the end and look at his pace. Let's compare it to Ricciardo's pace on the last lap. That way we can compare how fast Vettel was on 27 lap old tyres and how fast Ricciardo was on 27 lap old tyres.

Also Ricciardo would have taken more life out of his tyres having to overtake so many cars to get from 12th to 5th so if anything Vettel running in clear air should have much much fresher tyres.

Yet look at Ricciardos final lap when he put the hammer down a 128.5 WOWW Yet Vettel at the same time was 1 second slower. If Ricciardo did not chew up his tyres with so many overtakes and fighting he would have have been 1.5 to 2 seconds quicker than Vettel.

Vettel is clearly the slowest number 2 out on the track this year in alot of races. Vergne was never this slow compared to Ricciardo.
The lap times clearly show this especially in the last 2 races.

I even said "hopefully" Vettel can turn this around for the rest of the year. If he "cannot" then they should look to promote Kyvatt. Meaning if he continues to lap 1 second a lap slower in the rest of the season then yes 100% he should be replaced with Kyvatt next year. Name 1 team principal who would not consider replacing a driver 1 second a lap slower in race pace?

Vettel has another new chassis for Singapore so hopefully he can find some speed in the races as if he doesn't it is not looking good for him. 4xWDC or not. Drivers need to perform on the track. Ricciardo is only on 1 million this year and Vettel 30 million. On top he has had 4 chassis changes this year costing many more millions over Ricciardo. Teams need to look at return on investment for a driver also.


I have no interest in your long-winded posts. I haven't even read the above one properly. I will say that suggesting Vettel should be replaced is plain stupid. Have a nice day.


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Pete77 - Even Alex Yoong was given 2 seasons of mediocrity in F1 before he was booted.

Give Seb a break, he's still a 4x WDC and still at the pointy end of the grid. Alonso hasn't won a WDC for 8 years, Hamilton for 5, and they've had a couple of ordinary seasons since, one season of a relative lull won't hurt SV.

The gulf between DR and SV is much smaller than say, the Caterham or Marussia pairings.

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Another great quali session for Dan, pace comparable to the Mercedes.

Fingers crossed he gets off the line ok and holds his position in to turn one, will be great to see what he can do if he can run up front with the mercs from the very start.

Please don't "Webber" your start Dan.


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When Ricciardo overtook Button, Perez and Magnussen I became pregnant. When Ricciardo overtook Vettel my water broke.

You may wish to see a doctor about that ;)

More generally guys, please remember this is the Ricciardo thread, not the bash Vettel thread.

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Another top race from Dan - if only he didn't have car issues for at least half the race - and had he been given back the position for FA who clearly gained on DR as well as SV at the start - then DR would have got 2nd and perhaps better - although LH did a great job and the Merc was clearly superior


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Another top race from Dan - if only he didn't have car issues for at least half the race - and had he been given back the position for FA who clearly gained on DR as well as SV at the start - then DR would have got 2nd and perhaps better - although LH did a great job and the Merc was clearly superior


Great drive as usual, but it is also true that the situation with SC played to his favor by putting him right behind Vettel, and Alonso's pitting under the SC to drop from the second place to the 4th. The third place for Daniel feels about right.


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He was managing a problem with ERS of some sort the entire race according to the pitt radio. At the end he seemed only slightly quicker than Vettel but could not seem to get past.
Looks like he inherited Webber's clutch. As once again just like almost every race this year now, he has another very poor start.

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Looks like he inherited Webber's clutch.


Can anyone explain to me what the drivers part of launching an f1 car is? I assume there isn't a foot operated clutch like a typical road going manual car.

What does a driver have to do to get away well aside from have a quick reaction time?


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Please don't "Webber" your start Dan.

He Webbered it, again :(

Australia - decent start
Malaysia - slow start but was fortunate with positioning and actually gained a place when Vettel got stuck behind Rosberg
Bahrain - decent start
China - lost 2 places before turn 1
Spain - bad start, was lucky to only lose 1 place as Ferraris got held up by Grosjean
Monaco - bad start, lost 2 places before turn 1
Canada - good start
Austria - ok off the line but was 9th after the first few corners
Britain - good start
Germany - not terrible off the line, lost out dodging a crash in front of him though
Hungary - slow start, loses 2 places
Belgium - good start
Italy - terrible start
Singapore - bad start, loses 2 places

Ignoring what where he actually ends up at the end of lap one and just looking at how well he gets off the line, it's 7 out of 14 have been bad so far. He really needs to sort it out ASAP.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:11 pm 
For those dreaming of a DR title, he was 72 points of the lead before today.

Gap is now 60...


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drallim wrote:
Jarrod wrote:
Please don't "Webber" your start Dan.

He Webbered it, again :(


I think it might have been a clutch issue. We had the on board for him on the grid as they were lining up and the clutch just wasn't biting. Or at least that's what I took from the video.

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Jarrod wrote:
Please don't "Webber" your start Dan.

He Webbered it, again :(


I think it might have been a clutch issue. We had the on board for him on the grid as they were lining up and the clutch just wasn't biting. Or at least that's what I took from the video.


I saw the same thing. Problems all year just like Webber had. Surprisingly Vettel's clutch always seems to work fine. I wonder when redbull will fix this problem?

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drallim wrote:
Jarrod wrote:
Please don't "Webber" your start Dan.

He Webbered it, again :(

Australia - decent start
Malaysia - slow start but was fortunate with positioning and actually gained a place when Vettel got stuck behind Rosberg
Bahrain - decent start
China - lost 2 places before turn 1
Spain - bad start, was lucky to only lose 1 place as Ferraris got held up by Grosjean
Monaco - bad start, lost 2 places before turn 1
Canada - good start
Austria - ok off the line but was 9th after the first few corners
Britain - good start
Germany - not terrible off the line, lost out dodging a crash in front of him though
Hungary - slow start, loses 2 places
Belgium - good start
Italy - terrible start
Singapore - bad start, loses 2 places

Ignoring what where he actually ends up at the end of lap one and just looking at how well he gets off the line, it's 7 out of 14 have been bad so far. He really needs to sort it out ASAP.


:thumbup: Good information

Do you have last years start stats to compare this year to last year by any chance?

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Horner said his ERS problem effected his start too.


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Ah ok i didn't see that part. I just watched the post race christian horner interview. Basically the ERS wasn't working the entire race and the team had to manage it the entire race. Hence why he was so slow today. Last few races he is always 1-2 seconds a lap quicker than Vettel. Today he was only 1/2 a second or so max quicker near the end. Very Un-Ricciardo like
Ricciardo is lucky he brought the car home considering.

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Looks like he inherited Webber's clutch.


Can anyone explain to me what the drivers part of launching an f1 car is? I assume there isn't a foot operated clutch like a typical road going manual car.

What does a driver have to do to get away well aside from have a quick reaction time?



The drivers warm up tires and keep heat in them in a prescribed manner during the formation lap. Prior to this the drivers are also prepping the clutch packs to get the correct bite points. Depending on if the teams feel there may be more than one start this procedure may be different. It's a best guess on rpms, clutch bite point, clutch prep, tire warming, side of the track (clean/dirty), ambient air temp (engine torque), ambient track temp (tire grip), tire type, moisture, etc.

..............so all this is prepped before the drivers get to their grid spot and get into their launch sequence. The drivers have two clutches on their steering wheel. They dump the initial clutch and feather in the second one. Do it right and they are off like a rocket. Do it wrong/guess wrong and you can either spin the tires, bog down the engine, or stall the car.


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The drivers warm up tires and keep heat in them in a prescribed manner during the formation lap. Prior to this the drivers are also prepping the clutch packs to get the correct bite points. Depending on if the teams feel there may be more than one start this procedure may be different. It's a best guess on rpms, clutch bite point, clutch prep, tire warming, side of the track (clean/dirty), ambient air temp (engine torque), ambient track temp (tire grip), tire type, moisture, etc.

..............so all this is prepped before the drivers get to their grid spot and get into their launch sequence. The drivers have two clutches on their steering wheel. They dump the initial clutch and feather in the second one. Do it right and they are off like a rocket. Do it wrong/guess wrong and you can either spin the tires, bog down the engine, or stall the car.


Thanks for that, very informative!

Sounds like it would be a difficult thing to perform perfectly under the intense pressure of a Formula 1 race start. Guess that's why they get paid the big bucks.


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