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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 7:43 pm 
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What's maybe even more impressive than their fastest pitstop time of 1.9s it's that apparently their slowest pitstop this year is 2.4s.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 2:40 pm 
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Just why are Williams so weak in the wet? I don't believe that Bottas and Massa are both drivers that suddenly become much weaker in the wet. I feel it must be to do with their lack of down force. Probably something else too. It seems such a shame considering how competitive I expected them to be here. Last year, I felt like they might have had a double podium at the British GP if it wasn't for the rain. As the rain started that race, both Bottas's and Massa's lap times started dropping more than many other of the teams.

Does anyone else know why Williams seem to really struggle in these conditions?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 4:52 pm 
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It's the issue with the car. Massa did very well in defending against others, Bottas just fell down in succession, and than, Massa got new tyres which still did not help him getting back in the points. Looks like a story of Renault, STR or Sauber not the mighty Williams team. Force India is breathing on their necks.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:11 am 
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I think the lack in downforce results in them not being able to heat up the tyres properly.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:05 am 
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My friends and I have a running joke that everytime a Williams is shown on the screen it's either because it's being passed or making a pit stop. It's ridiculous how often this is true. :P


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It has been a while since this thread last got a post! I just thought I would bump this to discuss our expectations on how they may perform this season. I was amazed at how many people seem to think that Williams will finish 9th or last in the championship. I know the driver line up is weaker than it was but I don't think the car is going backwards like many seem to be expecting. Nor do I think quite as many teams will be better than them as others are thinking. Before testing began, I thought that Williams should certainly finish no lower than 8th. I actually predicted 7th and I even think 6th would be possible. By the look of it in testing, the car has been rather strong so far. Lets just hope Stroll turns out to be good and that Massa gets is early 2016 form back. He achieved something no other driver did which was to score points in all of the 1st 6 races. I also don't like the way people have been judging Stroll just for crashes in testing. It is just testing and it isn't where you score points. Somebody at the time obviously thought he was bad enough to make a http://www.hasstrollcrashed.today web page! Some may find it funny but I think it is just silly. People didn't criticize Verstappen that much for crashing 3 times during an actual race weekend when he'd had well over a year's experience in F1. Just give Stroll a chance before we decide how good he is in F1. I'm just hoping all the teams are more closely matched so that may mean that Massa could have a chance to have another podium which would be great to see. I'm hoping for to much here but I would love Massa to win again. That will be some gap between his last win!


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 2:39 pm 
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Looks like they are the solid leaders of the midfield right now or the 4th fastest team. Not sure how they did it, it's not like Lowe had any input on this years car, or has he? But it is still going to be a tough season to maximize constructors championship points with Maldonado JR in one of their cars.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:21 pm 
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The massive performance boost has to have something to do with the deal they made with Merc to release Bottas. Has to. They must have got cash and some tech advice or parts etc.
Im hoping Williams can gain momentum from here, sign a great driver next year and enter the Top 3.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 5:33 am 
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The massive performance boost has to have something to do with the deal they made with Merc to release Bottas. Has to. They must have got cash and some tech advice or parts etc.
Im hoping Williams can gain momentum from here, sign a great driver next year and enter the Top 3.

Maybe Mercedes agreed to supply them with their latest ECU software? Wouldn't cost a thing to Mercedes but would be very beneficial to Williams.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 9:47 am 
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Covalent wrote:
hotbmw wrote:
The massive performance boost has to have something to do with the deal they made with Merc to release Bottas. Has to. They must have got cash and some tech advice or parts etc.
Im hoping Williams can gain momentum from here, sign a great driver next year and enter the Top 3.

Maybe Mercedes agreed to supply them with their latest ECU software? Wouldn't cost a thing to Mercedes but would be very beneficial to Williams.

After all, very clever of Williams. If true.

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I'm guessing it'll all come out in the wash... but I think whoever suggested Williams deal with merc supplying them the latest engine upgrades is probably on the mark.
Considering the Williams chassis this season doesn't seem to be running as many high down force bits and pieces as other teams I can only assume engine performance is responsible for the jump in time relative to the rest of the mid field.


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Glasnost wrote:
I'm guessing it'll all come out in the wash... but I think whoever suggested Williams deal with merc supplying them the latest engine upgrades is probably on the mark.
Considering the Williams chassis this season doesn't seem to be running as many high down force bits and pieces as other teams I can only assume engine performance is responsible for the jump in time relative to the rest of the mid field.

It's not like we can see everything they have done. They may have changed quite a few things that are very hard for us to detect in the pictures. I don't think it will just be the engine boost that is making them better than we expected.


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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Glasnost wrote:
I'm guessing it'll all come out in the wash... but I think whoever suggested Williams deal with merc supplying them the latest engine upgrades is probably on the mark.
Considering the Williams chassis this season doesn't seem to be running as many high down force bits and pieces as other teams I can only assume engine performance is responsible for the jump in time relative to the rest of the mid field.

It's not like we can see everything they have done. They may have changed quite a few things that are very hard for us to detect in the pictures. I don't think it will just be the engine boost that is making them better than we expected.


Yeah you are correct, We can't see everything they've done. I like your optimism.
I said on another thread when the car was launched that the 2017 Williams looked clean and sleek. All most as if they had gone back to basics with their 2014/2015 design philosophy of low drag "slippery" cars. Last year they stated they were working on developing their low/mid speed down force and it didn't really work for them.
But it looks to me with this car (and Im probably wrong) that Williams went back a looked at what they could do well and really built on it.

However I can't discount the engine performance for Bottas theory to me it makes sense.
But like I said it'll all come out in the wash.

In the end its kinda irrelevant... as long as they perform well I'll be happy.


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It could not have been easy for Williams to negotiate losing Bottas, but good for them being tough and getting a tech advantage from Mercedes. I was surprised that Williams did not do better last year with Pat Symonds on board, but perhaps he was to late to have much effect on the car design? Let's hope the team do well in 2017.

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Glasnost wrote:
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Glasnost wrote:
I'm guessing it'll all come out in the wash... but I think whoever suggested Williams deal with merc supplying them the latest engine upgrades is probably on the mark.
Considering the Williams chassis this season doesn't seem to be running as many high down force bits and pieces as other teams I can only assume engine performance is responsible for the jump in time relative to the rest of the mid field.

It's not like we can see everything they have done. They may have changed quite a few things that are very hard for us to detect in the pictures. I don't think it will just be the engine boost that is making them better than we expected.


Yeah you are correct, We can't see everything they've done. I like your optimism.
I said on another thread when the car was launched that the 2017 Williams looked clean and sleek. All most as if they had gone back to basics with their 2014/2015 design philosophy of low drag "slippery" cars. Last year they stated they were working on developing their low/mid speed down force and it didn't really work for them.
But it looks to me with this car (and Im probably wrong) that Williams went back a looked at what they could do well and really built on it.

However I can't discount the engine performance for Bottas theory to me it makes sense.
But like I said it'll all come out in the wash.

In the end its kinda irrelevant... as long as they perform well I'll be happy.


Another thing we all can be hopeful about is for their brilliant pit stop performance to continue. They either tied or beat the fastest pit stop time by Red Bull last season. It was on Massa and it looked so impressive. They had by far the most fastest pit stops last year. Lets hope they continue. Maybe I'm being a bit optimistic here, but if Stroll's performance turns out to be better then we expected and Massa has a decent season too, I think Williams could well manage 4th in the constructors championship. Their pace looked very strong in testing. I hope there will be several races where the car will be pretty much the 2nd best out there. That is if there is a team that is clearly the most dominant.

It seems to be the case at several circuits over the past few years especially, some suit the Williams car really well and they can take advantage of their low drag set up. This really seems to help them at circuits like Russia, Silverstone, Mexico, Canada and several others. I'm wanting Williams to give us another really exciting start like they did in Silverstone 2015. I think that was the most exciting start to a race out of any in the last 2 seasons. If, Williams do turn out to be very strong, I really hope Massa will manage a podium or 2. Maybe even a win if he gets lucky!


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