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Significant movements after Italian Qualifying

* Vettel moves ahead of Webber in qualifying and opens out a 14-11 lead
* Massa finally comes out on top in qualifying albeit once again by default (now 12-1)
* Michael Schumacher gets on top of Rosberg in qualifying head to head for possibly the first time this season 7-6
* Kamui Kobayashi opens out a qualifying gap to 8-5 over Perez
* Di Resta inches ahead in qualifying 7-6 over the unlucky Hulkenberg
* Narain Karthikeyan out-qualified Pedro De la Rosa for the first time this year

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Significant Movements after the Italian GP

* Schumacher draws level overall with Rosberg for the season
* Perez moves ahead of Kobayashi in the race head to head
* Di Resta moves ahead of Hulkenberg in overall race performance

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 Post subject: Re: Teammate Wars!!!
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Does Vettel get that race, or Webber?


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 Post subject: Re: Teammate Wars!!!
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infi24r wrote:
Does Vettel get that race, or Webber?

Neither, since they didn't finish. I put a note under it.

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Kimi should get this race. Not his fault that Grosjean decided to go on a take-out spree at Spa.


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Mark should get it, despite neither driver finishing Mark made it further.


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Schumi4ever wrote:
Kimi should get this race. Not his fault that Grosjean decided to go on a take-out spree at Spa.


If this is based purely on results, then Grosjean was not involved in the race at all. However, it WAS Grosjean's fault that he isn't racing so the points should go to Kimi.

Vettel - Webber is tricky. Webber retired 2 laps from the end. So shouldn't he be classified as a finisher (though I can't say I know what the rule is for classification)? If so he should get the points.

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 Post subject: Re: Teammate Wars!!!
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infi24r wrote:
Mark should get it, despite neither driver finishing Mark made it further.

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Vettel - Webber is tricky. Webber retired 2 laps from the end. So shouldn't he be classified as a finisher (though I can't say I know what the rule is for classification)? If so he should get the points.

I think you are right since they were both officially classified (20th & 22nd). Updated.

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Kimi should get this race. Not his fault that Grosjean decided to go on a take-out spree at Spa.

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If this is based purely on results, then Grosjean was not involved in the race at all. However, it WAS Grosjean's fault that he isn't racing so the points should go to Kimi.

I've thought this over long (and reasonably hard :) ). I do see your point re. it being Grosjean's own fault he isn't there. Updated.

As ever, open to any other corrections based on errors or otherwise.

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 Post subject: Re: Teammate Wars!!!
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Hey Formula 1 Fan, can you update the stats for all again please, thanks. :)


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Formula1Fan. wrote:
infi24r wrote:
Mark should get it, despite neither driver finishing Mark made it further.

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Vettel - Webber is tricky. Webber retired 2 laps from the end. So shouldn't he be classified as a finisher (though I can't say I know what the rule is for classification)? If so he should get the points.

I think you are right since they were both officially classified (20th & 22nd). Updated.

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Kimi should get this race. Not his fault that Grosjean decided to go on a take-out spree at Spa.

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If this is based purely on results, then Grosjean was not involved in the race at all. However, it WAS Grosjean's fault that he isn't racing so the points should go to Kimi.

I've thought this over long (and reasonably hard :) ). I do see your point re. it being Grosjean's own fault he isn't there. Updated.

As ever, open to any other corrections based on errors or otherwise.


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 Post subject: Re: Teammate Wars!!!
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Formula1Fan. wrote:
Updated.

As ever, open to any other corrections based on errors or otherwise.


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 Post subject: Re: Teammate Wars!!!
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ferrarirocks wrote:
Are you formula1fan fran? Did you ever send F1 Reviews CD to a fellow f1 fan?

No man, must have been another poster.

Jiggs wrote:
Hey Formula 1 Fan, can you update the stats for all again please, thanks. :)

They are updated? Perhaps you have some corrections?

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 Post subject: Re: Teammate Wars!!!
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Significant movements after the Singapore Qualifying Session

* Smiling Romain Grosjean hit right back after his race ban extending his quali lead over Kimi Raikkonen
* Michael Schumacher moves ahead of Nico Rosberg overall for the first time this season
* Paul Di Resta extends his lead over close competitor Nico Hulkenberg

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 Post subject: Re: Teammate Wars!!!
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Formula1Fan. wrote:
Significant movements after the Singapore Qualifying Session

* Smiling Romain Grosjean hit right back after his race ban extending his quali lead over Kimi Raikkonen
* Michael Schumacher moves ahead of Nico Rosberg overall for the first time this season
* Paul Di Resta extends his lead over close competitor Nico Hulkenberg



I'm kind of confused about the MSC stat... What does overall mean? As far as I remember - he pulled ahead of Rosberg long back if you dont take into account the Bahrain qualifying session because of Schumi's DRS problem and later grid penalty.
Even if you did, the current score would be MSC beating ROS 8 to 6 or 8 to 5 if you dont gibe Bahrain to either of them.

Am I missing something?

Race-MSC/ROS
AUSTRALIA-4/7 - MSC
MALAYSIA-3/7 - MSC
CHINA-2/1 - ROS
BAHRAIN-22/5-(MSC - DRS problem + Gearbox penalty) NA/ROS
SPAIN-8/6 - ROS
MONACO-(1)6/2 -MSC
CANADA-9/5 - ROS
EUROPE-12/6 - ROS
BRITISH-3/11 - MSC
GERMANY-3/(17)21 (ROS-5 place grid penalty gearbox) - MSC
HUNGARY-17/13 - ROS
BELGIUM-13/(18)23(ROS - 5 place grid penalty gearbox) - MSC
ITALY-4/6 - MSC
SINGAPORE-9/10 - MSC


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 Post subject: Re: Teammate Wars!!!
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Does this match your TMW stats for this thread? I will update after each qualy and race and you can update it in the 1st post if you like:

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 Post subject: Re: Teammate Wars!!!
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I think the only mismatch is for Caterham races that I have 7-6 as opposed to 8-5 in favor of Heiki. According to me:

Heiki: AUS, ESP, MON, CAN, GBR, HUN, ITA.
Petrov: MAL, CHN, BHN, EUR, GER, BEL.


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 Post subject: Re: Teammate Wars!!!
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Updated after Singapore race

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 Post subject: Re: Teammate Wars!!!
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ohwell wrote:
I'm kind of confused about the MSC stat... What does overall mean? As far as I remember - he pulled ahead of Rosberg long back if you dont take into account the Bahrain qualifying session because of Schumi's DRS problem and later grid penalty.
Even if you did, the current score would be MSC beating ROS 8 to 6 or 8 to 5 if you dont gibe Bahrain to either of them.

Am I missing something?

Overall is the head to head comprising head to head qualy & race positions combined. As stated in the OP this thread is about results only primarily because that's all the record books will state and taking into account luck becomes pretty subjective.

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I think the only mismatch is for Caterham races that I have 7-6 as opposed to 8-5 in favor of Heiki. According to me:

Heiki: AUS, ESP, MON, CAN, GBR, HUN, ITA.
Petrov: MAL, CHN, BHN, EUR, GER, BEL.

Cheers, will take a look.

Edit: you're spot on, it was was 7-6 and is now 8-6 after Singapore

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 Post subject: Re: Teammate Wars!!!
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chinki wrote:
I will update after each qualy and race and you can update it in the 1st post if you like:

that would be cool chinki, especially as I'm going to be busy in the coming months, the overall head to head would be cool too if you can

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 Post subject: Re: Teammate Wars!!!
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Significant Movements after Singapore GP

* Nico Rosberg immediately draws level in the head to head with MSC
* Sergio Perez has levelled the season's overall total with Kamui Kobayashi at 14-14
* Jenson Button narrows the gap to a surprising HAM 8-6 But in race stats
* Sebastien Vettel opens an ominous 4 point gap in the overall tally

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Significant movements after the Japanese GP

* Somewhat amazingly Jenson Button is only 1 race result behind Lewis Hamilton at 8-7, and also pulled back a quali result
* Michael Schumacher opened out a new overall lead over Rosberg after his dominant weekend
* Kamui Kobayashi pulls out a lead over McLaren newbie Sergio Perez thanks to a strong overall performance at Suzuka
* Nico Hulkenberg is on a charge once again after some poor fortune, dominating Di Resta over two sessions, now close overall

At this point the head to head team leaders are Vettel, Alonso, Raikkonen, Hamilton, Schumacher, Maldonado, Di Resta, Ricciardo, De La Rosa, Kovalainen and Glock

As ever, open to any corrections.

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 Post subject: Re: Teammate Wars!!!
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Will be interesting to see if the guy who writes the teammate wars article on the planet-f1 main site somehow finds a way to put Alonso in front of Massa for Japan to keep up his 100% record!


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Formula1Fan. wrote:
Significant movements after the Japanese GP

* Somewhat amazingly Jenson Button is only 1 race result behind Lewis Hamilton at 8-7, and also pulled back a quali result
* Michael Schumacher opened out a new overall lead over Rosberg after his dominant weekend
* Kamui Kobayashi pulls out a lead over McLaren newbie Sergio Perez thanks to a strong overall performance at Suzuka
* Nico Hulkenberg is on a charge once again after some poor fortune, dominating Di Resta over two sessions, now close overall

At this point the head to head team leaders are Vettel, Alonso, Raikkonen, Hamilton, Schumacher, Maldonado, Di Resta, Ricciardo, De La Rosa, Kovalainen and Glock

As ever, open to any corrections.

Di Resta had clutch problems during warm up and opening laps resulting in a slow getaway.. But that doesn't mean hulk was not good...he was excellent

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rob_the_shark wrote:
Will be interesting to see if the guy who writes the teammate wars article on the planet-f1 main site somehow finds a way to put Alonso in front of Massa for Japan to keep up his 100% record!


:? :? :?


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rob_the_shark wrote:
Will be interesting to see if the guy who writes the teammate wars article on the planet-f1 main site somehow finds a way to put Alonso in front of Massa for Japan to keep up his 100% record!


:? :? :?


Incredible isn't it? I had to laugh when I saw Alonso get the nod.
I'm still shocked Alonso got the point in Spa as well.
Laughable.

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rob_the_shark wrote:
rob_the_shark wrote:
Will be interesting to see if the guy who writes the teammate wars article on the planet-f1 main site somehow finds a way to put Alonso in front of Massa for Japan to keep up his 100% record!


:? :? :?


this is the subject of a new topic i started. the guys who writes TMW is obviously quite weird...

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Now please take out all the DNF's from the drivers and put only the races where both team-mates finished. That would paint a fairer picture.


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Daniel Gallagher wrote:
Now please take out all the DNF's from the drivers and put only the races where both team-mates finished. That would paint a fairer picture.

only if you took out the DNF's that were caused by a third party. Grosjean wiping out others' chances shouldn't be taken off his tally, for example


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Zoue wrote:
Daniel Gallagher wrote:
Now please take out all the DNF's from the drivers and put only the races where both team-mates finished. That would paint a fairer picture.

only if you took out the DNF's that were caused by a third party. Grosjean wiping out others' chances shouldn't be taken off his tally, for example


Of course Grosjean mishaps are part of his results, but if you want to check how team-mates compare pace-wise, you have to take out the DNF's, no matter of what nature.


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Daniel Gallagher wrote:
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Daniel Gallagher wrote:
Now please take out all the DNF's from the drivers and put only the races where both team-mates finished. That would paint a fairer picture.

only if you took out the DNF's that were caused by a third party. Grosjean wiping out others' chances shouldn't be taken off his tally, for example


Of course Grosjean mishaps are part of his results, but if you want to check how team-mates compare pace-wise, you have to take out the DNF's, no matter of what nature.


But if a driver took himself out of a GP by being too hot headed into a corner and planted it in a barrier, but his team mate doesn't, that surely is a point for the team mate, for driving a better race?

Only DNFs not caused by the particular driver should be discounted. Though if you ask me, if you start discounting things for different reasons, it becomes subjective. If two teammates only finish one race together all season, but one had KERS failure, would you discount that race too? It just don't work man.

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Daniel Gallagher wrote:
Zoue wrote:
Daniel Gallagher wrote:
Now please take out all the DNF's from the drivers and put only the races where both team-mates finished. That would paint a fairer picture.

only if you took out the DNF's that were caused by a third party. Grosjean wiping out others' chances shouldn't be taken off his tally, for example


Of course Grosjean mishaps are part of his results, but if you want to check how team-mates compare pace-wise, you have to take out the DNF's, no matter of what nature.

but unless I'm not mistaken this thread is not just about pace but about who performed best in both qualifying and the race. And if so then self-inflicted mishaps should surely count as they are totally in the driver's own control, whereas those inflicted by a third party are not.


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Significant Movements after Korean Qualifying & Race

Mark Webber reversed a recent qualifying trend by beating his teammate there for the 7th time this season
Michael Schumacher squares up the overall race head to head with Nico Rosberg at 8-8
Sergio Perez completed a quali-race clean sweep over Kobayashi to level up overall at 16-16 for the season
Nico Hulkenberg also completed a quali-race clean sweep over Paul Di Resta to equal the Briton at 16-16 for the season
Despite trailing heavily in quali, Jean-Eric Vergne has pulled the race stat with Ricciardo to within two at 9-7
Narain Karthikeyan took the race head-to-head in Korea for the first time in a while over De La Rosa
Petrov claimed a notable quali-race clean sweep over Kovalainen in Korea and it was one each for Pic and Glock

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Something I picked up about Hulkenberg/Di Resta:
Points: 45/44
Point-scoring finishes: 8/8
Qualified higher than teammate: 8/8
Ahead when both have finished: 7/7
Highest finish: 4th/4th

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Something I picked up about Hulkenberg/Di Resta:
Points: 45/44
Point-scoring finishes: 8/8
Qualified higher than teammate: 8/8
Ahead when both have finished: 7/7
Highest finish: 4th/4th

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If that's not a damn consistent equal pairing, I don't know what is!

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Significant Movements after India Qualifying

* Sergio Perez has nudged ahead of Kamui Kobayashi 17-16 in the overall head to head, despite still trailing him 9-8 in quali
* Nico Hulkenberg has finally overhauled Paul Di Resta after threatening to much of the season, 9-8 up in quali, 17-16 overall
* Kimi Raikkonen and Nico Rosberg are coming close to evening things up in quali stats, 9-8 in both cases
* De La Rosa, Maldonado, Lewis Hamilton, Fernando Alonso and Daniel Ricciardo continue to dominate Karthikeyan, Senna, Button, Massa and Vergne respectively in the quali head to heads

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Formula1fan - Can you update this please?

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Get Massa out of that car.


The way he has been used since Alonso joined the team, Massa has only been half-there in the first place.

The one thing that stands out is that McLaren and Red Bull have allowed both drivers to compete fairly and the results as of now reflect their abilities. The same can be said of all the other teams except Ferrari. Massa is just used as a tool to assess and benefit Alonso one way or another. If Massa had any self-respect, he would have left a long time ago.

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Get Massa out of that car.


The way he has been used since Alonso joined the team, Massa has only been half-there in the first place.

The one thing that stands out is that McLaren and Red Bull have allowed both drivers to compete fairly and the results as of now reflect their abilities. The same can be said of all the other teams except Ferrari. Massa is just used as a tool to assess and benefit Alonso one way or another. If Massa had any self-respect, he would have left a long time ago.


I was under the impression McLaren had been sabotaging Lewis's car to help Button to close up?!

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I was under the impression McLaren had been sabotaging Lewis's car to help Button to close up?!


That is just another conspiracy theory that has no basis in fact. They want to overtake Ferrari and finish second at all costs and sabotaging Hamilton's car is not the way to do it. Moreover, if by some chance they are caught, the repercussions could be serious.

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