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Maybe the Mercedes guys in the McLaren Garage are the ones who have really been sabotaging him so Merc could poach him

The pretend to work on the engine, accidentally drop a bolt into the gearbox.

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

To be fair if next years merc is as good as this years he will be too busy trying to meld his car with another midfield runner before his car fails him


(Note to Lewis fans: if you're still reading that was a joke!)

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Multi 21 or Catch 22?!

It ain't hating just 'cause it's not love

Has any other team with mercedes engines have such problems before? McLaren had 2 now ( Monza) . Maybe it has something to do with how McLaren runs this parts. Engine mapping or something like this.

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"Everything you can imagine is real." Pablo Picasso

Maybe it's a trick from Withmarsh to drop the price of the mercedes engines for next year?

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"Everything you can imagine is real." Pablo Picasso

Next years are still free

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

By their own standards, yes.

Every team seems to have spells of good and bad reliability. I know a lot of people on this forum haven't been following F1 all that long, but McLaren had lots of reliability problems 2000-2006 also. Enough so that Whirmarsh said he feels they owe Kimi two championships, similar to his recent comments about owing Hamilton more than his single championship.

McLaren know that are having issues, and I'm sure no one wants to fix that more than they do.

I felt bad for Hamilton today for sure. Things like this I'm sure reinforce his decision for 2013 with Merc.

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As soon as you touch this limit, something happens and you suddenly can go a little bit further. With your mind power, your determination, your instinct, and the experience as well, you can fly very high.

Bring back Ron I say.
I wonder what that nice Mister Schumacher is doing next year?

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Marx (Groucho)

I'm not sure it will when he finds out it was a Merc supplied part that apparently failed.

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

This is no difference in unreliability compared to Mika and Kimi years.

I think that they take more risks with their hardware compared to other teams.

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Minds are like parachutes, they work best when they are open

Exactly.

And they need to start reading the rulebook the way Newey does; "wellllll, it doesn't explicitly say we CAN'T do it this way"

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As soon as you touch this limit, something happens and you suddenly can go a little bit further. With your mind power, your determination, your instinct, and the experience as well, you can fly very high.

Different era imo. Back then cars blowing was a regular occurrence. In this current cost cutting era. The cars have generally been more sturdy, some would say bullet proof.

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You guys should re-read the OP. I'm sure he's referring the amount of mechanical failures the OP mentioned.

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They were a joke 5 races ago. This is an entire stand up routine.

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Supporting in 2012:
Mark Webber.
Lewis Hamilton.

they were that unreliable since mika, raikkonen days

What lewis experience this year is something that kimi and mika both experienced for years and with much worst car.

"A groundless rumour often covers a lot of ground "

So who would you have brought in to replace Lewis if not Perez? He certainly seemed like the best option.

If Mclaren is a joke, it'll be a bad joke.

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Which makes Hammy's retirements as of late more suspect.

They are on a slippery slope towards midfield anonymity .
Seeing kimi inherit a win thanks to a macca failure was sheer KARMA.

Unfortunately, you are incorrect, drive-shafts and fuel pumps do break themselves and Lewis is not the 'most' aggressive driver on the circuit, take the little chicane at Singapore, how many people took flying lessons off that and came away unscathed.

I would expect that some of the back marker teams experience much harder wear and tear on parts as they are exposed to unexpected forces where for the most part the front running cars run as expected yet seem to have better reliability than McLaren at this current time.

Suggesting its Lewis' fault puts you in the same category (although on the other side of the argument), as the religious 'Lewis can do no wrong' fans.

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Forgive me, Budweiser clouds my judgement sometimes...

Member of the Lewis Hamilton fan club but yet to receive my customary tin foil hat.

some of it is bad luck, but not all of it.

several changes need to be made during the winter i think, because for a top 3 team like McLaren is not even close to being good enough. in the age of the super realiable car, McLarens are probably the most unrealiable.

As ive always said, Lewis signing to Merc was the best decision of his life. I feel sorry for button. Year after year mclaren does some unbelievably stupid stuff that even HRT cant do. i think the mclaren has been the most unreliable car this season. cant think of any other team that has had more mechanical failure problems

Why did we not get any interviews with Ron Dennis, he was there and I find him much more informative than whitmarsh.

and yes Mclaren are a joke, what is it now? the last 5 races, 4 have suffered mechanical failures. (I may be wrong on the numbers but im pretty sure there close)

So, McLaren walks into a bar...

Nope, doesn't sounds like a joke.

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Räikkönen - Vettel - Rosberg - Bottas

Abu Dhabi - Hamilton's car fails
India - none
Korea - Hamilton's rear anti-roll bar breaks
Japan - can't remember
Singapore - Hamilton's gearbox dies during race
Italy - Button's car fails

What about;

Mclaren walks into a bar. It broke. It was a rear anti-roll bar.

When people try and bring stats I ignore them as soon as I see "Cant remember".

How about you go back and actually research.

And while your at it, do the same for every team on that grid because other teams have had severe reliability issues. The only difference with Mclaren is they get compared to Ferrari and RBR instead of comparing to the top 10 teams.

No one fumed back in 2010 when RBR had issues with kers every other race or reliability problems, no one fumed last year when Vettel got the puncture first corner.

Get over it.

I'm only providing info off the top of my head. You're more than welcome to untwist your knickers and correct any mistakes I've made.

Massively frustrating to be a Macca supporter at the moment, but other than maybe wanting to vent in the heat of the moment I wouldn't say they are a joke (or any other team for that matter).

should be

A Mclaren a Red Bull and a Ferrari walk into a bar. It broke. It was a rear anti-roll bar
Red Bull blamed Renault, Ferrari said it didnt, but they will have a better one next round

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I find television very educating. Every time somebody turns on the set, I go into the other room and read a book.

Marx (Groucho)

Grosjean rolls into an anti-roll bar, the bartender says "can't you read the sign, this is an ANTI-roll bar"!

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Räikkönen - Vettel - Rosberg - Bottas

Some 80 points off the WDC and no driver close to a WDC, whilst having one of the most competitive cars all season. Mclaren are pathetic imo

What's this? Dead Thread Redemption?

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"I don't make mistakes, I make prophecies that immediately turn out to be wrong."

End of season summery

It wasn't that summery today - rather wet in fact.

McLaren have certainly been frustrating with their mistakes and reliability, but they have as many wins as RBR this season, so they must be doing something right.

They narrowly missed out on 2nd place in the WCC, but if they are 'pathetic' and 'a joke' then the 9 teams below them are even worse. Which suggests that the whole sport is predominantly pathetic and a joke.

Or perhaps a few people on the internet are slightly hysterical.

It's another tinfoil thread, the pissing and moaning and bellyaching knows no limits in that alternative universe

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o·ver·rat·ed - overestimation of skills or abilities, anything that is given too much credit and hype.

a joke that build very fast cars...

they ironed out the pit stop problems...

But they had reliability problems...and they lost Lewis

I suspect they will overcome these reliability problems and return very strong...two or three years Lewis will come back...

McLaren are class, as a Vettel fan i'd like him to go there one day, instead of Ferrari.