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Ferrari taking grid penalty for Felipe to move Fernando into a more desirable position. Merc, FI, Sauber, and I think STR have all chosen not to run in q3 to save tires at some point in this season and give them a tire advantage. None of these things are particularly pure in terms of sportsmanship are they? But they are allowed by the rules, so kudos to those teams for taking advantage. If you don't like that kind of attitude, which team exactly DO you like? Big HRT fan are ya?

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Mclaren, Ferrari, Renault, JPS, Jaguar, Jordan, HRT, Caterham, Mercedes i love motorsport

So your only problem with RBR is that they are more effective at exploiting loopholes than the other teams? Makes sense.

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So by your logic it's okay to "cheat" (even though Red Bull aren't), so long as you're not winning. Okay.

I'm providing an alternate yet comparable scenario, much like the "50mph/30mph one earlier", in an effort to help you see how wrong you are.

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PLAY A RECORD KARL COS I'M GUNNA KNOCK YOU OUT!!!

This is a pinnacle sport. Reaching out in every sense possible is part of the game. Teams must push every advantage they can. The FIA must watch carefully, interpret and rule on whether or not things that are new, and that have never previously been defined as illegal are permitted.

It's as simple as the 30 - 50 posted speed example. Clear as can be.

Come on ASH you are going completly off topic when does saving tyres in quali have more of advantage of having a massive gapping hole adding extra downforce?
Or having an engine map which basically means I can blast round that corner without lifting?

MY HRT may be like bambi on ice but she is at least innocent.

Cheating is exactly what Renault did at Singapore 08 or what McLaren did with spygate in 2007.

Also McLaren was also asked to modify their floors at the beginning of the season. Were they cheats then?

Someone doesn't become to have 'retroactively' cheated anytime when FIA issues additions, restrictions, clarifications to rules.

Blown diffusers was never illegal when they were introduced. It was not even bending or pushing the rules' boundary. FIA "chose" to significantly reduce its effect in the new season with bringing new exhaust position
regulations.

I don't like sore losers. They don't achieve much in life but always complain about others successes...

It is against forum rules to accuse someone of trolling, so I'm absolutely not going to do that...

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Point proven.

Please, in detail, explain to me exactly how much downforce was gained (both in relation to drag coefficient and lap time) by the holes. If you can't, then I'm sorry but you have no idea what benefit was to be had from the holes. Also, please provide a photo of the "massive gaping hole", including its measurements, to prove that it was massive and gaping. Don't try to compare advantages of tire savings or grid position to an aero design if you can't prove your hypothesis.

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When has RBR ever argued that something on their car was legal because it was defective? Or that something being defective negates the need for something to be legal? Where do you guys even get this nonsense jeeeeez.

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I don't like braggers, who manipulate a scenario to fit there own agenda and then claim dumbness when it comes to sporting clarification.

you gave me too much material here


Mclaren - F-duct - was later deemed illegal, they must be cheating
Ferrari - "Alonso is faster than you" team orders, was actually illegal when it was used too
Renault - Piquet crashgate so Alonso could win
Mercedes - Double DRS ... also being banned because its not within the intent of the rules. but is legal until the end of the season.

Its fine if you don't like something, but nobody cares. Your distaste for something doesn't make it illegal. Nobody would have a problem with a thread called "I don't like the way RBR exploits loopholes" other than to say that all the teams do it, its their job. I don't particularly care for Ferrari's decision today, but I would be incorrect if I made a statement or thread claiming they are cheating.

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You prefer outright cheating like team orders for massa to move over for Alonso and Crashgate.

I think Ragged was agreeing with you since the end of your previous post was highlighted.

Think you miss interpreted my post. I highlighted your "will never understand" line while quoting Vaders post to say that your point was proven.

Ok ash I will try to get the pics and measurements I will try to get more information, but give me sometime.

While you're at it do the same for the holes in Saubers floor at the time.

Did Massa Repeatedly move over ? Did piquet Crash in 6 races for Alonso to win?
Did Ferrrari or Renault win because they did the above?

That's my question?
Is this fair after all that has happened this season with the RB car this year!

my frantic flipping back and forth between sky, twitter, and forum takes its toll

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Methinks you shall not be able to gain access to proprietary info stored inside Adrian's head and the computer models at MK, but good luck to you.

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