Tommay wrote:
M.Nader -DODZ- wrote:
Tommay wrote:
Hamilton won fair and square 2010
Button won fair and square 2011
Truthly Hamilton should of won 2012 many races back, if button beat Hamilton this year we could of never considered it to be fair and square. ( no I don't mean conspiracys, just errors and mechanical failures more on one side of the garage)
Edit: also this is an interesting subject, don't lock it mods
To be fair both has had their share of bad "luck". I would say the team is responsible for setting up the car and thus blame them for the 3-4 races JB was nowhere.
Having said that i think both have had equal bad "luck" (and both will regardless of what happends next race) and Hamilton beat him this year fair and square . come the end of the season i would want to know how many points both have scored during the last 3 years, wins, podiums etc.
Personally I found it hard to say they both had the same amount of luck, this year has been a lot worse from pitstops etc. Setup is both drivers and team fault, but when one side didn't have the problems it more the drivers fault
Sadly I don't think points will work to give a fiat accuracy, the fact is the car has been to un reliable on both sides, but more on Lewis sides (also people crashing into Lewis etc, some of last year was his fault, some wasn't) and this year Hamilton had two cars crash into him, compared to Jensons one.
The engineer(s) at Jenson's side may have made a mistake on the setup. from my experience drivers don't really say what to exactly do with the setup but more say how the car feels and the engineers decide what to do and that is why i think Jenson's problems were down to the team more than him.
Pitstops and strategy have been bad for both drivers, and reliability ofcourse. Lewis has had more DNFs but Jenson has had his share of them + setups. and that is why i say equal in terms of team errors and reliability.
I don't really wish to count how many points each lost as it is a trivial exercise which no one can get right and i believe if there is such a thing as luck that it evens itself out.
As i said Lewis has one this year fair and square and i can admit he has been the better driver over this year. I still also think the "big 3" is a mistake but more of a top 5: Lewis, Vettel, Alonso, Button and Kimi in no order. all are really good.
I am happy to agree to disagree if you think i am not making any sense