planetf1.com

It is currently Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:56 pm

All times are UTC




Post new topic This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies.
Author Message
 Post subject: Best thing for F1
PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:48 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:43 am
Posts: 29
Location: WALES
Is Bernie popping his clogs. The guy thinks hes God!

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Best thing for F1
PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:20 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:43 am
Posts: 29
Location: WALES
Why is this mental old man in charge one of the biggest sports in the world?

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Best thing for F1
PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:57 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:09 pm
Posts: 1182
Because 2 years after buying Brabham (1974) the Formula One Constructors Association (FOCA) was formed and as an owner he was a member. 4 years later he became the head person of FOCA and then fought to gain control of F1's TV rights and was eventually awarded such in 1981 via the new Concord Agreement. He then started FOPA to manage the teams' interests in the sales of TV rights and eventually that evolved into FOM. Through FOPA the evil little troll negotiated a deal that broke down as follows:

49% of TV revenues went directly to FOPA (the evil little troll)
50% went to the FIA
And a whopping 1% went to the teams.

If that's not bad enough all the fees were paid directly to FOPA and they handled paying the teams and the FIA, so who knows how much money was syphoned out before any was ever distributed! Essentially he used his cunning sneakiness to manipulate every situation so it lined his pockets first. This notion that he saved F1 is utter horse manure and the sport actually made far less than it should have. 1% to the teams is a joke of the most epic of proportions! Can you imagine how much more money teams like Tyrell, Jordan, Leyton House, Lieger, Minardi, Arrows and others would have received that would have allowed them to develop better cars and hire better drivers?

While his TV rights deal helped bring the sport a new found level of stability, more money going to the teams would have tightened up the competition to make the racing even better, which in turn would have increased its popularity even more.

Anyhow, it's more involved than that but in a nutshell, that's how he gained complete control over the sport. I just hope the german authorities throw him in the slammer for the rest of his dishonest days so F1 can move forward and become more affordable to the masses. Waiting for him to kick the bucket is far too long a time to wait.

_________________
Second place is the first loser!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Best thing for F1
PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:16 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:53 pm
Posts: 409
the incubus wrote:
a lot of sense


But just 2 little points, everything else is entirely spot on.

This bit "...more money going to the teams would have tightened up the competition to make the racing even better...", would not necessarily be the case. Quite simply because everyone would have been getting more money, so the lesser teams wouldn't have had any more money relative to the bigger teams. In fact, although the general standard would have progressed quicker with everyone having bigger budgets, the disparity would likely have been even greater, and ever increasing, because they would likely have distributed the cash unequally, based on where the teams finished in the constructors' championship. 1st getting the most, last the least.

Admittedly the 2nd one is much more debatable, whether Bernie "saved" the sport or not. Personally I think he pretty much did, he wrangled the teams together to turn the sport into a proper, professionally executed (not a pun) affair, at a time when things were arguably looking a touch sketchy. However, I freely acknowledge that he didn't do this out of the kindness of his own heart, but for his own personal messianic gain. All he's interested in is further lining his pockets and flexing his political power.

The sport definitely would have been better off if he'd retired 15-20 years ago. Well, so long as whoever took his place actually had the interests of the sport as their only priority, oh, and was competent.

_________________
"you can never be too paranoid"


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Best thing for F1
PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:22 pm 
Offline

Joined: Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:20 pm
Posts: 1622
Location: Secret Volcano Lair
I would like him to continue as long he can. I think hes great for the sport.

_________________
Loading Quote.......
--------------------


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Best thing for F1
PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:40 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:51 am
Posts: 1167
The best thing for F1 is if "fans" like this found another sport instead

_________________
Multi 21 or Catch 22?!

It ain't hating just 'cause it's not love


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Best thing for F1
PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:22 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:09 pm
Posts: 1182
toilet wrote:
the incubus wrote:
a lot of sense


But just 2 little points, everything else is entirely spot on.

This bit "...more money going to the teams would have tightened up the competition to make the racing even better...", would not necessarily be the case. Quite simply because everyone would have been getting more money, so the lesser teams wouldn't have had any more money relative to the bigger teams. In fact, although the general standard would have progressed quicker with everyone having bigger budgets, the disparity would likely have been even greater, and ever increasing, because they would likely have distributed the cash unequally, based on where the teams finished in the constructors' championship. 1st getting the most, last the least.

Admittedly the 2nd one is much more debatable, whether Bernie "saved" the sport or not. Personally I think he pretty much did, he wrangled the teams together to turn the sport into a proper, professionally executed (not a pun) affair, at a time when things were arguably looking a touch sketchy. However, I freely acknowledge that he didn't do this out of the kindness of his own heart, but for his own personal messianic gain. All he's interested in is further lining his pockets and flexing his political power.

The sport definitely would have been better off if he'd retired 15-20 years ago. Well, so long as whoever took his place actually had the interests of the sport as their only priority, oh, and was competent.

Knowing how close teams are to one another in today's F1, surely the big boys would likely have the advantage regardless because they would simply be adding to their already astronomical and almost insurmountable budgets. HOWEVER... as is the case with Ferrari this year and Renault the last few years, big bucks don't guarantee teams will develop a top car and with the smaller teams being just a it off the pace, a larger influx of money from TV rights might be the difference for them to challenge more strongly and consistent towards the front. How many times did Manardi produce excellent cars where if perhaps they had a bigger budget could have developed the cars enough to challenge for wins. The best example of this I can think of was Jordan. They took a bit to get up to speed but when they did, their budgets handicapped their further development and refinement of their cars and they were relegated to the front of the midfield, whereas perhaps another 5 or 10 million dollars would have been the difference in them remaining at the front and challenging for championships. That team showed a whole lot of heart and were highly competitive for quite some time and Eddie's passion to succeed was incredible. Eventually they lost out on engines and other opportunities to other teams that could pony up a bit more than they could and even when they were on the pace with the front runners early in seasons, they usually tended to fade a bit as money ran short and McLaren, Williams and Ferrari had truckloads of cash to allow them to out develop them and leave them behind. this is where those precious extra dollars would have/could have paid dividends and perhaps we might still have team Jordan in F1, or Arrows or Manardi.

Bernie's TV deal did a whole lot to grow the fan base which in turn grew the sport and with all that came the stability it needed to become the juggernaut that it is today. Still, with more teams duking it out at the front the competition would have been tighter and tougher which breeds greater levels of excitement which draws people in more deeply which in turn grows the masses who follow it. So while Bernie helped it, there was much more he could have done if he were in it for the right (better) reasons.

_________________
Second place is the first loser!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Best thing for F1
PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:48 pm 
Best for the forum that this is locked. TFLUFF is going on holiday.


Top
  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies.

All times are UTC


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Amon, AngusWolfe, Black_Flag_11, Laura23, mac_d, scouseknight, wire2004 and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
[ Time : 0.126s | 13 Queries | GZIP : Off ]