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I'm only asking. Missed everything since end of race!!!

A no would of been fine.

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Senna wasn't along side at turn in. Senna has more fault in this incident. It looked like a dive bomb to me, Vettel was already in traffic, why would Senna attempt this low percentage pass...oh yeah, because he's a third rate driver w/o a seat for 2013 racing for the last time on his home track with a huge surname.

hahaha, why did you call him/her stupid? They just put up a post saying Ferrari were submitting a protest. Hair trigger temper maybe?

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Nobody could see anybody because there were cars all over the place. First lap incident, it was greasy.

don't be silly nobody will dare taking away the title from Vettel now.

You could have read the thread - it's mentioned several times.

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So are they protesting or not

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"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

Didnt have time. I asked a simple question and wanted a simple answer. That's all

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Exactly it would kill F1 anyway.

http://www1.skysports.com/formula1/video/12870/8282348

Watching that you can see Senna was along side and vettel appears to blame. (1.09)

Vettel clearly did overtake under yellows as well (5.40)

Shame really, and poor stewarding, the fact that the Sauber pitted after is irrelivant to wether the rules were broken or not.

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Good. I would have preferred Alonso to win in a way, I am gutted for him. But I like Schumi (and hence Vettel). Any drama would devalue F1, unless someone really deserves to be slapped.

How many times do people need to say it?

It was a black and red *light*. It was not a yellow. Plus, the final classification has been done - it's over.

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Joke, clearly overtook under yellows. Stewards too scared to make any decisions today, pathetic.

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Stop it.

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stop what? They weren't black and yellow or red and yellow or red and black they were yellow, did you even watch the video that was posted?

It was very clearly a pass under yellows (as shown on the Sky analysis), and should have been at least investigated. I wouldn't want the result altered now, but the stewarding, once again, has been questionable and that's bad for the sport.

Why not actually watch the clip? There was a red and yellow flag along with a yellow flag and a number of yellow lights.

I'm going out on a limb here, but it seems like you're implying there is possibly NO investigation.

It then goes green and then back to yellows.

plus IIRC along with the red and yellow there is a yellow. Both apply. Red and yellow for the conditions, yellow for the usual.

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"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

pretty much for the first time ever i can agree with johnston

He might not have seen the skypad feature which clearly shows there were yellows, either that or he has his Seb blinkers on as usual.

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I agree that it's very questionable - but it's a done deal. We can bitch and moan all we like but it wont change the situation.

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What was the 'alleged' yellow flag for in that period?

is it actually confirmed that Ferrari have protested? if so when? during race, or after?

Adam Cooper on twitter: "Re the chat on Sky TV and elsewhere about Vettel passing under yellows, what was seen were red and yellow slippery surface boards"

No - they arent protesting - they already said that. It was some idiot trolling making crap up.

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Well the pundits with the aid of the skypad showed he overtook through yellows, and yes, they explained about the red and yellow flags but still agreed that he overtook through yellows. it was a let off.

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You couldn't really say Prost won the championship by default as the championship would still have been open for him to win even if there was no penalty.

Anyway:

Phew.

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How was he supposed to give the place back when Kamui pitted? By stopping on track for over 20 seconds?

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Why would him giving the place back avoid him getting a penalty for passing under yellows???

I don't think the FiA would let this go on very far even if Vettel had definitely broken rules (seems the forum is split between yellow and yellow/red). It would make the sport look like a farce.

I didn't want Vettel to win it, but it's his now. Congrats to him, yet another record in his big book of achievements.

So, the same things are being said, but some people don't get it or don't want to at all.

If there was a yellow flag there should be a reason (race control would have the log too); i.e debris in Turn #n, small collision between cars A and B on previous lap, etc...

All of us watched the race, did SKY analysts mentioned the reason of alleged yellow flag at all?

For those of you who say that is a yellow could you provide a reason why there would have been a yellow at that point, generally they don't just show yellow flags for the fun of it.

The stewards have said it was a slippery track flag (red and yellow stripped) which makes sense the track did appear a little slippery at that stage

Edited:
Sorry, beaten to the question

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No, by getting a drive-through passed to him by the stweards, which didn't happen, which is where the issue is. Suggesting people stop on the track

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You know what guys read this:-

Sebastian Vettel 2012 WDC

Get used to it, it ain't ever gonna change.

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So, the same things are being said, but some people don't get it or don't want to at all.

If there was a yellow flag there should be a reason (race control would have the log too); i.e debris in Turn #n, small collision between cars A and B on previous lap, etc...

All of us watched the race, did SKY analysts mentioned the reason of alleged yellow flag at all?

It was a static yellow flag too that was displayed with the yellow and red. This means no overtaking and slow down. If it's a single waved yellow it also means prepare to stop.

I assumed that there was no way of them flashing a yellow and red light, so they went for yellow as red would be too confusing/dangerous (one driver stopping and another not). The only yellow flag I saw in that sequence was the one static with the yellow and red and so it may have been the stewards getting mixed up because of the lights. If there was no overtaking because of the track surface being slippery, in those two laps the red and yellow flag should have been displayed (after two laps drivers now have to assume the slippery surface is the normal track) I'm sure there were other overtakes. We've heard nothing of them though.

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