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Yes or No? What do you think?

Nah, he lost control but i think it was a racing incident. the gap was there and he had the right to go for it, maybe he could have been more sensible and got a tow at the straight afterwards.

I voted yes but I love Lewis Hamilton (almost as much as I love Michael Schumacher). I understand why what happened happened. Racing incident.

Sure as hell wasn't Lewis's fault. Hell of a race from him and Jenson.

No. He made a misjudgement, it wasn't malicious. Perhaps he got too excited.

Sometimes you've just got to let it be.

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Yeah i agree. specially on the last bit

Some say Lewis could have left more room which he could but he was in a bad situation having to overlap a Caterham and looking behind at a charging Hulkenberg all while trying to stay on a dry bit i think is too much.

No. Racing incident IMO. IT just got a bit too tight and he was caught out by the Caterham. Just unlucky IMO.

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Also remember what happened to Villeneuve in 1996? Brazil is very, very slippery when you to the inside of turn 1 (or 3) to pass another driver.

Hamilton wasn't impressed afterwards
It's a shame Hulkenberg hasn't said sorry to Hamilton

I was shouting and swearing at him like nobody's business...but it was a racing incident.

Didn't deserve the penalty.

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It is still just 2 hours after the race and both must have a lot to do.

the steward who made the call probably was too trigger happy in the excitement of it all.

Nope.

yeah, another crash from another one of the new drivers, whom all of which, once again, had a terrible race. They need to learn how to race cleanly and this wont happen without punishing their errors, they can't outbrake everyone all the time, they need to learn their limits because atm they are awful

Im a big Hamilton fan and even i don't think it was deserved, especially when the Vettel Senna one was overlooked.

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Nope, but where was Vettels penalty? that was much worse than Hulks, the FIA were incompetent this weekend, sky analysis also showed that IT WAS yellow flags, once again shocking stewarding.

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His ambition overtook his talent and he punted out the leader. Of bloody course there should be a penalty...

Shame because he drove a great race up that point.

The way I see F1 being run, it is up to each driver to ensure they dont make a mistake. End result is what counts eventually, not whether the move itself was wrong or not. We have seen worse moves go unnoticed and unpunished because they did not result in contact. But when it does, F1 has made itself clear that they will investigate and find out if someone was at fault. Lewis definitely wasnt as he gave more than enough room to the Hulk and even though this wasnt deserved outside F1, in the world of F1 we have seen even milder contacts get penalized, so this was definitely on.

Agree. He caused the incident and it should have been avoidable. (This said by a man who hasn't ever driven over 100 mph).

+1

Vettels wasn't even because he lacked grip or locked his wheels and slid in to another car, he turned into another car which was either surprisingly poor judgement or arrogance, it was an accident that didn't need to happen at all.

I think the penalty was justified - he was far too ambitious expecting to be able to slow down and make the apex and hence caused an avoidable collision - end of! honestly, it's not like he suddenly came across a wet patch or oil spill! - he overcooked it and took someone else out - I would say the same no matter who he punted off! Penalty is a bit harsh, but needs to be applied to be consistent.
Contrast with the Vettal Senna punt and Vettel got off scot free - and he deffo chopped across Senna IMHO. (yet another 'avoidable collision' - but strangely no penalty!)

What was he supposed to do? He was ahead, he lost the rears. I don't think the penalty was deserved because he clearly did everything he could and left enough space for Hamilton, but the way the rear just snapped out on him unexpectedly was beyond control anymore. Then Hamilton says on the BBC interview along the lines of "says a lot of the guy that he hasn't even shown up to apologize". What is there for Hulkenberg to apologize for? That the rear just stepped out on him after he was already made the maneuver and he was unable to catch it?

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Hmmm. That's a pretty good point. I've replayed it a few times and I think I'm changing my tune. I think the conditions caused it now. (I know flip flop flip flop). You know what they say "that's racing".

Another example of a penalty being handed out based on the consequences rather than the action.

Absolutely didn't deserve it. That aside, though I'm not a fan of Hulkenberg I can't help feeling that he was utterly screwed by the safety car.

Absolutely not. It was a clear racing incident that was caused by conditions.
I even thought it at the time, in spite of it being good for the championship at the time from my pov.
One of the oddest decisions all season imo.

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It was particularly unfair in light of the fact that Vettel didn't appear to even merit an investigation by the stewards yet Hulk got adrive through before Lewis even stepped out of the car. Very inconsistent stewarding

How can you penalise someone when there is oh one dry line?!

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So if you lose control and spin into another car whilst trying to overtake it and thus ending his race you do not deserve a penalty?

Crazy.

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And that is what differentiates a top guy from let us just say Hulk in this case. It was Hulk who put himself in the position and he should have known better than to go on the wet line on dry tyres. He did ruin Lewis's race and he should have apologized. He also threw away a shot at 1st place for himself when he made the silly error, but he will grow up. If Maldonado can, so can anyone

And you woulda thunk an F1 driver with a few seasons would be smart enough to realize that and stick to the dry line. He was never gonna make it stick on the wet line and he should have backed off, but he will learn just like Maldonado and Grosjean have.

No because the rear stepping out in that situation was unexpected. Is losing the rear driver induced? Maybe while accelerating, but on that point it was totally unexpected.

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It was a ridiculous penalty. FIA probably trying to help Alonso win. Thank goodness it didn't work!

oh grow up.

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It's a drivers responsibility to keep control of his car at all times unless something on the car breaks. The track was slippy is no excuse.

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It's not a conspiracy forum, mate.

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Kimi, the iceman.

Unexpected or not, penalties are given for the outcome of the action. The outcome was a driver error causing another driver to retire.

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That was a driving and racing incident. Hulk had no idea his car would step out like that and he had a huge run on Hamilton on the straight. The past two laps it was the same way. He could of waited a lap but anything can happen through a lap and he could of lost contact with Hamilton. In any racing series you do not wait if you have an opportunity to make a pass especially in a race like it was today.

The fact that the stewards have been so wishy washy with their penalties this year is what makes it hard to understand. We all saw the Senna/Vettel accident where either could of been penalized for contact and neither were.

Not just another driver, the race leader which is usually seriously frowned upon by the FIA. Remember the FIA comment on Grosjean taking out the championship leader Alonso and how it matters to them. If FIA goes lenient on people taking out race leaders, F1 will turn into another GP2.

Any different to this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcHMf9sD5gM

I don't recall people being to sympathetic to Pastor. Its harsh but Hulk lost control of the vehicle and hit another car. Therefore he caused an accident. He made a mistake and was punished for it.

And Vettel not even getting an investigation for doing even worse then what Hulkenberg did is.....

So what was the driver error exactly?

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