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Alienturnedhuman

Post subject: Re: Rank The Drivers 2012

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:25 pm

Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 9:39 pm
Posts: 1102

Is there anyone else who wants to add their vote to this poll? There are currently 85 votes counted, some still are not counted due to not following the rules (it's not a case of being pedantic, the system just CANNOT count your vote if it does not follow the rules)

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Haribo

Post subject: Re: Rank The Drivers 2012

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:27 pm

Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:37 pm
Posts: 854

Lewis Hamilton
Fernando Alonso
Sebastian Vettel
Kimi Raikkonen
Nico Rosberg
Nico Hulkenberg
Mark Webber
Jenson Button
Felipe Massa
Michael Schumacher
Pastor Maldonado
Sergio Perez
Kamui Kobayashi
Daniel Ricciardo
Timo Glock
Romain Grosjean
Heikki Kovalainen
Paul Di Resta
Bruno Senna
Pedro De La Rosa
Jean Eric Vergne
Charles Pic
Vitaly Petrov
Jerome D'Ambrosio
Narain Karthikeyan

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EBD

Post subject: Re: Rank The Drivers 2012

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:02 am

Joined: Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:26 am
Posts: 1

Sebastian Vettel
Kimi Räikkönen
Nico Hulkenberg
Michael Schumacher
Sergio Perez
Pastor Maldonado
Nico Rosberg
Jenson Button
Mark Webber
Paul di Resta
Kamui Kobayashi
Romain Grosjean
Felipe Massa
Daniel Ricciardo
Bruno Senna
Jean-Eric Vergne
Heikki Kovalainen
Vitaly Petrov
Timo Glock
Charles Pic
Jerome D'Ambrosio
Pedro de la Rosa
Narain Karthikeyan
Lewis Hamilton
Fernando Alonso

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Gumption

Post subject: Re: Rank The Drivers 2012

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:54 am

Joined: Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:04 pm
Posts: 32

1. Sebastian Vettel
2. Fernando Alonso
3. Kimi Räikkönen
4. Lewis Hamilton
5. Jenson Button
6. Nico Rosberg
7. Mark Webber
8. Michael Schumacher
...

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mcdo

Post subject: Re: Rank The Drivers 2012

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:09 am

Joined: Fri Nov 05, 2010 6:33 pm
Posts: 2059
Location: Ireland

Fernando Alonso
Lewis Hamilton
Sebastian Vettel
Kimi Räikkönen
Jenson Button
Nico Rosberg
Nico Hulkenberg
Mark Webber
Sergio Perez
Michael Schumacher
Pastor Maldonado
Paul di Resta
Kamui Kobayashi
Heikki Kovalainen
Timo Glock
Felipe Massa
Romain Grosjean
Charles Pic
Bruno Senna
Jean-Eric Vergne
Daniel Ricciardo
Vitaly Petrov
Pedro de la Rosa
Jerome D'Ambrosio
Narain Karthikeyan

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Zekenwolf

Post subject: Re: Rank The Drivers 2012

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:12 am

Joined: Mon May 09, 2011 4:41 pm
Posts: 444
Location: Royal Wootton Bassett

Vettel
Hamilton
Alonso
Raikkonen
Button
Webber
Hulkenburg

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Vettel / Raikkonen / Button

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Alienturnedhuman

Post subject: Re: Rank The Drivers 2012

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:20 am

Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 9:39 pm
Posts: 1102

Gumption and Zekenwolf - you HAVE to rank all of the drivers in the list for your vote to be counted. This is not me being pedantic, the maths in the system requires that every driver receive a unique rank in order for the average position to be determined. The original list of 25 drivers can be found in DOLOMITE's opening post.

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kingsix

Post subject: Re: Rank The Drivers 2012

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:29 am

Joined: Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:05 am
Posts: 38

Sebastian Vettel
Fernando Alonso
Kimi Räikkönen
Lewis Hamilton
Michael Schumacher
Sergio Perez
Nico Hulkenberg
Jenson Button
Nico Rosberg
Mark Webber
Pastor Maldonado
Paul di Resta
Kamui Kobayashi
Felipe Massa
Daniel Ricciardo
Bruno Senna
Romain Grosjean
Jean-Eric Vergne
Heikki Kovalainen
Vitaly Petrov
Timo Glock
Charles Pic
Jerome D'Ambrosio
Pedro de la Rosa
Narain Karthikeyan

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Spyhawk

Post subject: Re: Rank The Drivers 2012

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:12 pm

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2005 6:07 am
Posts: 22

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morgana

Post subject: Re: Rank The Drivers 2012

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:17 pm

Joined: Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:07 pm
Posts: 430

Dolomite, I am (as always) amazed at the amount of work you put into these threads to give all forumers the opportunity to express their views. I haven't participated in it (my classification gets messy after the first twelve guys!), but thank you for giving us that chance.

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Lotus38

Post subject: Re: Rank The Drivers 2012

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:25 pm

Joined: Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:33 am
Posts: 493
Location: Somewhere beyond the sea

^^

I think it's AlienTH that's doing this now. Dolomite opted to leave the thread in light of some not very clever comments made about the ranking itself.

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mcdo

Post subject: Re: Rank The Drivers 2012

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:46 pm

Joined: Fri Nov 05, 2010 6:33 pm
Posts: 2059
Location: Ireland

mcdo wrote:

Spyhawk wrote:

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BoxFullofNeutrals

Post subject: Re: Rank The Drivers 2012

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:29 am

Joined: Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:48 pm
Posts: 92

Fernando Alonso
Kimi Räikkönen
Lewis Hamilton
Sebastian Vettel
Jenson Button
Mark Webber
Pastor Maldonado
Nico Rosberg
Nico Hulkenberg
Felipe Massa
Bruno Senna
Paul di Resta
Heikki Kovalainen
Romain Grosjean
Kamui Kobayashi
Sergio Perez
Pedro de la Rosa
Timo Glock
Michael Schumacher
Vitaly Petrov
Charles Pic
Daniel Ricciardo
Jean-Eric Vergne
Jerome D'Ambrosio
Narain Karthikeyan

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BoxFullofNeutrals

Post subject: Re: Rank The Drivers 2012

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:35 am

Joined: Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:48 pm
Posts: 92

Thanks ATH for keeping the stat collection alive...

Perhaps we need to start a 'Who (or should that be HOW?) wants to see DOLOMITE stay on this forum?'

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Alienturnedhuman

Post subject: Re: Rank The Drivers 2012

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:16 pm

Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 9:39 pm
Posts: 1102

91 votes counted... can we make 100?

Hamilton/Alonso, Perez/Massa and Vergne/Pic are the closest driver pairs on the rankings, all less than 1% difference in their percentage.

The biggest gap is between 4th/5th, between Kimi and Button, at 10% difference. Kimi is the most consistently ranked driver in 4th place, with the top three invariably split between Alonso, Hamilton and Vettel. This is the closest that Alonso has been run for first place that I can remember - which may surprise given the year most pundits consider he has had, although that might be down to the fact he was perceived as choking in the final two races in qualifying and the fact that Hamilton's year is also seen as being equally flawless from a driving perspective by many people.

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DOLOMITE

Post subject: Re: Rank The Drivers 2012

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:15 pm

Joined: Sat Mar 06, 2004 8:07 am
Posts: 419

92...

Fernando Alonso
Lewis Hamilton
Sebastian Vettel
Kimi Räikkönen
Jenson Button
Nico Hulkenberg
Mark Webber
Romain Grosjean
Heikki Kovalainen
Nico Rosberg
Sergio Perez
Paul di Resta
Felipe Massa
Pastor Maldonado
Charles Pic
Daniel Ricciardo
Jean-Eric Vergne
Kamui Kobayashi
Timo Glock
Michael Schumacher
Vitaly Petrov
Pedro de la Rosa
Jerome D'Ambrosio
Bruno Senna
Narain Karthikeyan

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Laura23

Post subject: Re: Rank The Drivers 2012

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:21 pm

Joined: Wed Nov 25, 2009 3:56 am
Posts: 3479
Location: London

DOLOMITE wrote:

I recognise this guy...

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Alienturnedhuman

Post subject: Re: Rank The Drivers 2012

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:26 pm

Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 9:39 pm
Posts: 1102

Strangely it's 93 - I think I must have received a PM from someone who amended their previously illegal vote since my last post. Rankings are still the same and visible at http://www.randomperspective.com/DOLOMITE

I'll add some more statistical interpretations of the data once I get the chance to write the scripting for it. (And maybe other stuff as well, like a user being able to tell how their vote compares to the average)

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Alienturnedhuman

Post subject: Re: Rank The Drivers 2012

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 2:57 pm

Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 9:39 pm
Posts: 1102

After receiving an extra vote for this I decided to go back and make a couple of tweaks to the analysis page so everyone can see how they personally stack up against the general vote.

http://randomperspective.com/DOLOMITE/

If you scroll down there is a list of everyone who voted and their average difference to the norm - they are then colour coded (so green if you a very close to a perfect match and red if your list bore little correlation, most of us are an inbetween shade of yellowy orange.

Of course, this is always open for more votes, I am thinking about making a web app where people can enter their own vote for the next time we do this, although obviously I'll need to think up a system to prevent people from spamming it with multiple cheat votes.

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pokerman

Post subject: Re: Rank The Drivers 2012

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:03 pm

Joined: Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:30 pm
Posts: 1117

Hamilton
Alonso
Vettel
Raikkonen
Hulkenburg
Button
Webber
Maldonando
Perez
Rosberg
Schumacher
Massa
Grosjean
Glock
Ricciardo
Kobayashi
Di Resta
Kovalainen
Petrov
Vergne
Pic
Senna
de la Rosa
Ambrosia
Karthikeyan

Top 3 could be any order really, i downmarked Alonso because at seasons end he often wasn't as good as Massa when he needed to be at his best against the superior Red Bull, up to then he was odds on favourite for best driver. For Vettel i believe he struggled too much in qualifying at the beginning of the season when the car wasn't at his best ,relative to Webber, a bit surprising given as this is supposed to be one of his strengths. For Hamilton i can only remember two races were Button was superior, Australia and Spa, he was very consistent throughout.

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Last edited by pokerman on Sun Dec 30, 2012 9:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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Sin

Post subject: Re: Rank The Drivers 2012

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:32 pm

Joined: Tue Dec 25, 2012 9:37 am
Posts: 29

Sebastian Vettel
Fernando Alonso
Kimi Raikkönnen
Nico Hülkenberg
Lewis Hamilton
Jenson Button
Romain Grosjean
Mark Webber
Felipe Massa
Paul Di Resta
Nico Rosberg
Michael Schumacher
.
.
.

not really able to rank the others atm

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Alienturnedhuman

Post subject: Re: Rank The Drivers 2012

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:57 pm

Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 9:39 pm
Posts: 1102

pokerman wrote:

Hamilton
Alonso
Vettel
Raikkonen
Hulkenburg
Button
Webber
Maldonando
Perez
Rosberg
Schumacher
Massa
Grosjean
Glock
Ricciardo
Kobayashi
Di Resta
Kovalainen
Petrov
Senna
Vergne
Pic
Senna
de la Rosa
Karthikeyan

You've listed Senna twice, is the second "Senna" meant to be D'Ambrosio?

Sin wrote:

All drivers have to be listed for your vote to be counted.

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Haribo

Post subject: Re: Rank The Drivers 2012

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 6:15 pm

Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:37 pm
Posts: 854

Alienturnedhuman wrote:

Thanks for you efforts

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KIMBO2

Post subject: Re: Rank The Drivers 2012

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 6:48 pm

Joined: Wed Apr 02, 2008 1:20 pm
Posts: 27

Vettel
Kimi
Hamilton
Alonso
Hulkenberg
Rosberg
Webber
Button
Kobayashi
Massa
Grosjean
Kovalainen
Perez
Ricciardo
Senna
diResta
Maldenado
Schumacher
D'Ambrosio
Pic
Vergne
Glock
Petrov
de la Rosa
Karthikeyan

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Alienturnedhuman

Post subject: Re: Rank The Drivers 2012

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:17 pm

Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 9:39 pm
Posts: 1102

I have now updated it so you can click on the person's bar and it shows you how their vote compares to the average:

For example, like this:

Code:

#0    Lewis Hamilton     Difference: +1
#1    Fernando Alonso    Difference: -1
#2    Sebastian Vettel   Difference: 0
#3    Kimi Räikkönen     Difference: 0
#4    Jenson Button      Difference: 0
#5    Mark Webber        Difference: +1
#6    Nico Hulkenberg    Difference: -1
#7    Pastor Maldonado   Difference: +3
#8    Felipe Massa       Difference: +1
#9    Nico Rosberg       Difference: -2
#10   Daniel Ricciardo   Difference: +5
#11   Kamui Kobayashi    Difference: +1
#12   Heikki Kovalainen  Difference: +4
#13   Michael Schumacher Difference: -2
#14   Timo Glock         Difference: +4
#15   Charles Pic        Difference: +5
#16   Bruno Senna        Difference: +1
#17   Sergio Perez       Difference: -9
#18   Romain Grosjean    Difference: -5
#19   Paul di Resta      Difference: -5
#20   Vitaly Petrov      Difference: +1
#21   Pedro de la Rosa   Difference: +1
#22   Jean-Eric Vergne   Difference: -3
#23   Jerome D'Ambrosio  Difference: 0
#24   Narain Karthikeyan Difference: 0

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Sin

Post subject: Re: Rank The Drivers 2012

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:42 pm

Joined: Tue Dec 25, 2012 9:37 am
Posts: 29

Alienturnedhuman wrote:

All drivers have to be listed for your vote to be counted.

Sebastian Vettel
Fernando Alonso
Kimi Raikkönnen
Nico Hülkenberg
Lewis Hamilton
Jenson Button
Romain Grosjean
Mark Webber
Felipe Massa
Paul Di Resta
Nico Rosberg
Sergio Perez
Michael Schumacher
Pastor Maldonado
Vitaly Petrov
Timo Glock
Jean-Eric Vergne
Bruno Senna
Daniel Ricciardo
Charles Pic
Heikki Kovalainen
Kamui Kobayashi
Narain Karthikeyan
Pedro de la Rosa
Jerome D'Ambrosio

okay here then x.x everything after Schumacher is not ranked tho I just wrote the names down... hope I have no-one twice or missed one

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fieldstvl

Post subject: Re: Rank The Drivers 2012

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:56 pm

Joined: Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:50 am
Posts: 910

Thanks for doing this :thumbup:

Fernando Alonso
Lewis Hamilton
Kimi Räikkönen
Sebastian Vettel
Jenson Button
Nico Hulkenberg
Mark Webber
Michael Schumacher
Nico Rosberg
Sergio Perez
Heikki Kovalainen
Kamui Kobayashi
Daniel Ricciardo
Romain Grosjean
Felipe Massa
Paul di Resta
Timo Glock
Pastor Maldonado
Vitaly Petrov
Bruno Senna
Jean-Eric Vergne
Charles Pic
Pedro de la Rosa
Jerome D'Ambrosio
Narain Karthikeyan

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Sin

Post subject: Re: Rank The Drivers 2012

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:20 pm

Joined: Tue Dec 25, 2012 9:37 am
Posts: 29

Just 1 question, where is that comparison list link thingy?

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Alienturnedhuman

Post subject: Re: Rank The Drivers 2012

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:32 pm

Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 9:39 pm
Posts: 1102

Sin wrote:

Just 1 question, where is that comparison list link thingy?

Do you mean this?

http://randomperspective.com/DOLOMITE/

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Sin

Post subject: Re: Rank The Drivers 2012

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:38 pm

Joined: Tue Dec 25, 2012 9:37 am
Posts: 29

yes thank you very much

btw clicking on the bar does nothing for me

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Alienturnedhuman

Post subject: Re: Rank The Drivers 2012

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:42 pm

Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 9:39 pm
Posts: 1102

Sin wrote:

yes thank you very much

btw clicking on the bar does nothing for me

You need to click on the bar next to the user's name (on the bottom half, not the bit with the drivers) - so for example where it says your name, Sin, it then has an orange bar with 2.72 - click on that bar to see how your results compare to the norm.

If that's not working then let me know which browser you are using.

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Sin

Post subject: Re: Rank The Drivers 2012

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:43 pm

Joined: Tue Dec 25, 2012 9:37 am
Posts: 29

yes that is exactly what I'm doing at it is not working on firefox...

to explain it better it is not even starting to load anything not on the page and you don't see anything loading in the browsers loading bar either

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Alienturnedhuman

Post subject: Re: Rank The Drivers 2012

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:58 pm

Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 9:39 pm
Posts: 1102

I have just tried it in Firefox and it works fine:

What operating system / version of Firefox are you using. Do you have Javascript enabled?

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Sin

Post subject: Re: Rank The Drivers 2012

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 9:00 pm

Joined: Tue Dec 25, 2012 9:37 am
Posts: 29

Forget all that I got it working x.x shame on me for missing something.....

apologize

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ob1kenobi.23

Post subject: Re: Rank The Drivers 2012

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 9:37 pm

Joined: Tue May 10, 2011 11:47 pm
Posts: 458

Sebastian Vettel
Fernando Alonso
Kimi Räikkönen
Lewis Hamilton
Nico Hulkenberg
Sergio Perez
Michael Schumacher
Mark Webber
Jenson Button
Felipe Massa
Nico Rosberg
Daniel Ricciardo
Romain Grosjean
Jean-Eric Vergne
Pastor Maldonado
Paul di Resta
Kamui Kobayashi
Heikki Kovalainen
Timo Glock
Charles Pic
Bruno Senna
Vitaly Petrov
Pedro de la Rosa
Jerome D'Ambrosio
Narain Karthikeyan

No idea how you guys find the time or the patience to do this but thank you.

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Alienturnedhuman

Post subject: Re: Rank The Drivers 2012

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:22 pm

Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 9:39 pm
Posts: 1102

99 votes counted... who is going to be number 100?

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sennafan24

Post subject: Re: Rank The Drivers 2012

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:27 pm

Joined: Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:58 pm
Posts: 614

Lewis Hamilton
Fernando Alonso
Kimi Räikkönen
Sebastian Vettel
Nico Hulkenberg
Jenson Button
Sergio Perez
Pastor Maldonado
Felipe Massa
Nico Rosberg
Romain Grosjean
Michael Schumacher
Mark Webber
Bruno Senna
Paul di Resta
Daniel Ricciardo
Kamui Kobayashi
Jean-Eric Vergne
Heikki Kovalainen
Charles Pic
Timo Glock
Vitaly Petrov
Pedro de la Rosa
Jerome D'Ambrosio
Narain Karthikeyan

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M.Nader -DODZ-

Post subject: Re: Rank The Drivers 2012

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:30 pm

Joined: Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:00 pm
Posts: 1931

Nico Hulkenberg
Kimi Räikkönen
Jenson Button
Lewis Hamilton
Sebastian Vettel
Fernando Alonso
Michael Schumacher
Romain Grosjean
Mark Webber
Nico Rosberg
Daniel Ricciardo
Pastor Maldonado
Felipe Massa
Sergio Perez
Kamui Kobayashi
Paul di Resta
Jean-Eric Vergne
Charles Pic
Vitaly Petrov
Timo Glock
Heikki Kovalainen
Bruno Senna
Pedro de la Rosa
Jerome D'Ambrosio
Narain Karthikeyan

Quite controversial, but that is how i see them entering 2013.

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mikeyg123

Post subject: Re: Rank The Drivers 2012

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:20 pm

Joined: Sat Jan 28, 2012 4:13 pm
Posts: 1970

M.Nader -DODZ- wrote:

Surely if you rate Hulk 1st you would have to put Di Resta in the top 6?

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M.Nader -DODZ-

Post subject: Re: Rank The Drivers 2012

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:39 pm

Joined: Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:00 pm
Posts: 1931

mikeyg123 wrote:

Surely if you rate Hulk 1st you would have to put Di Resta in the top 6?

theoretically i should, but i don't. starting Valencia Hulkenberg beat Paul in every single race they finished together bar Singapore, sometimes by quite a margin as well.

Another thing in my post is Rosberg, who i found difficult to rank. 2012 saw MSC get very close in terms of raw pace, but could that be attributed to Merc doing a lot of testing starting mid season? (something to look for in 2013 perhaps?) or maybe Rosberg did have a bad season. Even so i believe Rosberg can beat Lewis next year as he is quite fast, maybe i should bump him up to above MSC. but the merc was so poor after Monaco that both drivers disappeared, so it is hard to rate them.

ATH, what should i do to change my rankings?

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