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Its been 6 years since '07 and yet it seems its still between Alonso and Hamilton. What a pairing McLaren had ! Now they have neither.

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Wouldn't it be better (and more fair) to rate the drivers out of 10?


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mccormickja wrote:
Wouldn't it be better (and more fair) to rate the drivers out of 10?


I think what Dolomite meant was "Rank the drivers". If you're unaware he/she does it every year. Its to assess where every driver stands relative to other drivers in public perception.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:05 pm 
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This thread is demonstrating the lack of reading skills amongst some forum members.

Just copy and paste the names, in order on a single line with no extra characters in the order you rate the drivers. If you don't do that your vote WILL NOT be counted because it CANNOT be processed by DOLOMITE's software.

If you want to have a thread where you rate drivers out of ten, or post lists with explanations, or group drivers at levels, or just pick the drivers you rate the best then you are free to start your own thread but for the purposes of what DOLOMITE is doing the only way you can partake is to follow the rules, by the letter, that DOLOMITE set out in the original thread.


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M.Nader -DODZ- wrote:
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@OP How can you effectively judge all the drivers one by one when the cars they drive are all different, some even 3-4 seconds a lap slower? In any case, this poll will obviously reflect the bias induced by short memories and recent races. If you take the poll just before the beginning of the new season, it would make much more sense but still the car being a variable conundrum cannot be overcome. A more accurate answer would be to club them in tiers I think.


He does it before and after every season to see where things stand, you may think it has bias but due to the number of contributers the results are not screwed and can be quite fair on how people rate the drivers


Errr of course its bias...its based on opinion.....

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Alienturnedhuman wrote:
This thread is demonstrating the lack of reading skills amongst some forum members.

Just copy and paste the names, in order on a single line with no extra characters in the order you rate the drivers. If you don't do that your vote WILL NOT be counted because it CANNOT be processed by DOLOMITE's software.

If you want to have a thread where you rate drivers out of ten, or post lists with explanations, or group drivers at levels, or just pick the drivers you rate the best then you are free to start your own thread but for the purposes of what DOLOMITE is doing the only way you can partake is to follow the rules, by the letter, that DOLOMITE set out in the original thread.

hahaha, I was wondering when someone would become exasperated with this...Some people have sand in their heads no? Lol

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M.Nader -DODZ- wrote:
chinki wrote:
@OP How can you effectively judge all the drivers one by one when the cars they drive are all different, some even 3-4 seconds a lap slower? In any case, this poll will obviously reflect the bias induced by short memories and recent races. If you take the poll just before the beginning of the new season, it would make much more sense but still the car being a variable conundrum cannot be overcome. A more accurate answer would be to club them in tiers I think.


He does it before and after every season to see where things stand, you may think it has bias but due to the number of contributers the results are not screwed and can be quite fair on how people rate the drivers


Errr of course its bias...its based on opinion.....


The issue of bias in this context is generally thought to be on eof nationality - i.e the majority of posters are british so favour british drivers. It doesn't seem to follow that though Alonso tops the polls consistently and although Hamilton gets a high placing, it's not because he's British, it's because he's good!

It absolutely is opinions, yes - that's exactly what I'm after. How good to people think these drivers are. The WDC tells us who won, but it's the difference between that table and the results of this poll that make for interesting reading. PLus who's had a good enough season to increase their stock and vice versa.

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Lewis Hamilton
Jenson Button
Kimi Räikkönen


Button ahead of Kimi...

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Michael Schumacher
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!


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mccormickja wrote:
Wouldn't it be better (and more fair) to rate the drivers out of 10?


I think what Dolomite meant was "Rank the drivers". If you're unaware he/she does it every year. Its to assess where every driver stands relative to other drivers in public perception.


He. Definitely. I checked.

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Jenson Button - Another Fantasic year again from Jenson, forced Lewis out of the team, McLaren all his now
Lewis Hamilton - OK final year at Macca, still too many crahes and retirements however
Paul di Resta - Good solid drives for FI again this season
Kimi Räikkönen - Good year, it looked like he was going to be upstaged by Grojean early on, but he's establised team leader at Lotus now
Pastor Maldonado - Suprise package of the year for me, future world champion material if he can cut out the mistakes
Nico Rosberg - Got a win, dissapointing 2nd half of the year, although he can blame the car for that
Nico Hulkenberg - some good drives towards end of the year
Sergio Perez - Very solid year, leading Sauber driver - deserves a drive with McLaren
Fernando Alonso - I hate ranking FA this high, but he did do well to stay in the championship for so long with a poor car
Heikki Kovalainen - the beat driver for the new teams, travisty if he's not in F1 next year
Romain Grosjean - some good quali performances, but too many race incidents for me
Pedro de la Rosa - Solid performace in a very bad car
Jerome D'Ambrosio - I've put him around the middle,as can't really judge him on 1 race
Daniel Ricciardo - Solid performace in a midfield car
Sebastian Vettel - Solid performace in a very good car
Timo Glock - Wasted at Marussia
Kamui Kobayashi - KK disapointing this year, he's become too passive for me, just not like him
Charles Pic - An OK year, I would like to see him in a quicker car
Felipe Massa - Came back towards the end of the year, doesn't make up for the fact that he was dire early on
Narain Karthikeyan - Has had a difficult job with the car
Michael Schumacher - Shame he's going, I was enjoying watching him making a fool of himself
Bruno Senna - He has the name, that's all he has
Vitaly Petrov - Not in same league as Heikki
Jean-Eric Vergne - Far too many Q1 knockouts
Mark Webber - Never fails to make the best car on the grid look mediocre


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DOLOMITE wrote:
XRV750 wrote:
M.Nader -DODZ- wrote:
chinki wrote:
@OP How can you effectively judge all the drivers one by one when the cars they drive are all different, some even 3-4 seconds a lap slower? In any case, this poll will obviously reflect the bias induced by short memories and recent races. If you take the poll just before the beginning of the new season, it would make much more sense but still the car being a variable conundrum cannot be overcome. A more accurate answer would be to club them in tiers I think.


He does it before and after every season to see where things stand, you may think it has bias but due to the number of contributers the results are not screwed and can be quite fair on how people rate the drivers


Errr of course its bias...its based on opinion.....


The issue of bias in this context is generally thought to be on eof nationality - i.e the majority of posters are british so favour british drivers. It doesn't seem to follow that though Alonso tops the polls consistently and although Hamilton gets a high placing, it's not because he's British, it's because he's good!

It absolutely is opinions, yes - that's exactly what I'm after. How good to people think these drivers are. The WDC tells us who won, but it's the difference between that table and the results of this poll that make for interesting reading. PLus who's had a good enough season to increase their stock and vice versa.

But useless nonethless. It is a no brainer that PDLR could not increase his stock and Vettel's couldnt dip any. As I said, this exercise at this point is heavily biased based on the outcome of the season and recent races and you can bury your head in the sand as much as you like, but that is not going to change. People's opinions are most meaningful when they are taken farthest from the event in question, so that is why I said it makes sense to run this exercise before the next season starts. Since you claim to do it before and after every season, have you noticed any difference between the results even though there was no racing in between? And if yes, I wonder why you do it at the end of every season as I already explained.


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Unbiased_Button_Fan wrote:
Jenson Button - Another Fantasic year again from Jenson, forced Lewis out of the team, McLaren all his now
Lewis Hamilton - OK final year at Macca, still too many crahes and retirements however
Paul di Resta - Good solid drives for FI again this season
Kimi Räikkönen - Good year, it looked like he was going to be upstaged by Grojean early on, but he's establised team leader at Lotus now
Pastor Maldonado - Suprise package of the year for me, future world champion material if he can cut out the mistakes
Nico Rosberg - Got a win, dissapointing 2nd half of the year, although he can blame the car for that
Nico Hulkenberg - some good drives towards end of the year
Sergio Perez - Very solid year, leading Sauber driver - deserves a drive with McLaren
Fernando Alonso - I hate ranking FA this high, but he did do well to stay in the championship for so long with a poor car
Heikki Kovalainen - the beat driver for the new teams, travisty if he's not in F1 next year
Romain Grosjean - some good quali performances, but too many race incidents for me
Pedro de la Rosa - Solid performace in a very bad car
Jerome D'Ambrosio - I've put him around the middle,as can't really judge him on 1 race
Daniel Ricciardo - Solid performace in a midfield car
Sebastian Vettel - Solid performace in a very good car
Timo Glock - Wasted at Marussia
Kamui Kobayashi - KK disapointing this year, he's become too passive for me, just not like him
Charles Pic - An OK year, I would like to see him in a quicker car
Felipe Massa - Came back towards the end of the year, doesn't make up for the fact that he was dire early on
Narain Karthikeyan - Has had a difficult job with the car
Michael Schumacher - Shame he's going, I was enjoying watching him making a fool of himself
Bruno Senna - He has the name, that's all he has
Vitaly Petrov - Not in same league as Heikki
Jean-Eric Vergne - Far too many Q1 knockouts
Mark Webber - Never fails to make the best car on the grid look mediocre


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chinki wrote:
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XRV750 wrote:
M.Nader -DODZ- wrote:
chinki wrote:
@OP How can you effectively judge all the drivers one by one when the cars they drive are all different, some even 3-4 seconds a lap slower? In any case, this poll will obviously reflect the bias induced by short memories and recent races. If you take the poll just before the beginning of the new season, it would make much more sense but still the car being a variable conundrum cannot be overcome. A more accurate answer would be to club them in tiers I think.


He does it before and after every season to see where things stand, you may think it has bias but due to the number of contributers the results are not screwed and can be quite fair on how people rate the drivers


Errr of course its bias...its based on opinion.....


The issue of bias in this context is generally thought to be on eof nationality - i.e the majority of posters are british so favour british drivers. It doesn't seem to follow that though Alonso tops the polls consistently and although Hamilton gets a high placing, it's not because he's British, it's because he's good!

It absolutely is opinions, yes - that's exactly what I'm after. How good to people think these drivers are. The WDC tells us who won, but it's the difference between that table and the results of this poll that make for interesting reading. PLus who's had a good enough season to increase their stock and vice versa.

But useless nonethless. It is a no brainer that PDLR could not increase his stock and Vettel's couldnt dip any. As I said, this exercise at this point is heavily biased based on the outcome of the season and recent races and you can bury your head in the sand as much as you like, but that is not going to change. People's opinions are most meaningful when they are taken farthest from the event in question, so that is why I said it makes sense to run this exercise before the next season starts. Since you claim to do it before and after every season, have you noticed any difference between the results even though there was no racing in between? And if yes, I wonder why you do it at the end of every season as I already explained.

The purpose of the poll is to determine how people rank the drivers. As a result it will perform that function flawlessly. It does not claim to be the actual ranking, only how people perceive them.

As for your suggestion that PDLR could not increase his stock or Vettel could not reduce his - well I ranked Vettel 2nd before the season began and now I rank him 3rd as I believe that his 2012 campaign was a noticeable drop in form compared to his almost flawless 2011 season.


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M.Nader -DODZ- wrote:
I hope you explained your choices on purpose so that your vote is not counted.


:blush: I missed that rule

Ok my serious vote is:

Jenson Button
Lewis Hamilton
Paul di Resta
Kimi Räikkönen
Pastor Maldonado
Nico Rosberg
Nico Hulkenberg
Sergio Perez
Fernando Alonso
Heikki Kovalainen
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Jerome D'Ambrosio
Daniel Ricciardo
Sebastian Vettel
Timo Glock
Kamui Kobayashi
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chinki wrote:
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M.Nader -DODZ- wrote:
chinki wrote:
@OP How can you effectively judge all the drivers one by one when the cars they drive are all different, some even 3-4 seconds a lap slower? In any case, this poll will obviously reflect the bias induced by short memories and recent races. If you take the poll just before the beginning of the new season, it would make much more sense but still the car being a variable conundrum cannot be overcome. A more accurate answer would be to club them in tiers I think.


He does it before and after every season to see where things stand, you may think it has bias but due to the number of contributers the results are not screwed and can be quite fair on how people rate the drivers


Errr of course its bias...its based on opinion.....


The issue of bias in this context is generally thought to be on eof nationality - i.e the majority of posters are british so favour british drivers. It doesn't seem to follow that though Alonso tops the polls consistently and although Hamilton gets a high placing, it's not because he's British, it's because he's good!

It absolutely is opinions, yes - that's exactly what I'm after. How good to people think these drivers are. The WDC tells us who won, but it's the difference between that table and the results of this poll that make for interesting reading. PLus who's had a good enough season to increase their stock and vice versa.

But useless nonethless. It is a no brainer that PDLR could not increase his stock and Vettel's couldnt dip any. As I said, this exercise at this point is heavily biased based on the outcome of the season and recent races and you can bury your head in the sand as much as you like, but that is not going to change. People's opinions are most meaningful when they are taken farthest from the event in question, so that is why I said it makes sense to run this exercise before the next season starts. Since you claim to do it before and after every season, have you noticed any difference between the results even though there was no racing in between? And if yes, I wonder why you do it at the end of every season as I already explained.


I started to type something like "sorry if I offended you somehow" but I stopped for the simple reason that it would be total bullshit. I'm not sorry, I don't really know your problem is with this thread, and frankly I don't give a crap. So you know what? Over to you. Do it in a "useful" way. A "no-brainer" free, all encompassing, unbiased, 100% objective analysis. One with a mathematically sound and proven methodology that will render any questioning of it's legitimacy redundant. We can all bow to your unquestionable superiority.

The quality has been declining on this forum for a while and I don't get as much time to post as I like. Coming back to a thread I started and seeing some sugarplum who doesn' even know me label the exercise useless hardly inspires me, so that's it, I'm done. Thanks to those who took the time to partake - hopefully someone will pick it up. I'll post back with the standings from previous years for comparison and then get on with enjoying the real world.

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I posted just in case you return to this idea, Dolomite. I, and clearly others, really value your contributions to the forum.


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Pastor Maldonado
Sergio Perez
Heikki Kovalainen
Michael Schumacher
Charles Pic
Kamui Kobayashi
Romain Grosjean
Vitaly Petrov
Pedro de la Rosa
Daniel Ricciardo
Jean-Eric Vergne
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Unbiased_Button_Fan wrote:
M.Nader -DODZ- wrote:
I hope you explained your choices on purpose so that your vote is not counted.


:blush: I missed that rule

Ok my serious vote is:

Jenson Button
Lewis Hamilton
Paul di Resta
Kimi Räikkönen
Pastor Maldonado
Nico Rosberg
Nico Hulkenberg
Sergio Perez
Fernando Alonso
Heikki Kovalainen
Romain Grosjean
Pedro de la Rosa
Jerome D'Ambrosio
Daniel Ricciardo
Sebastian Vettel
Timo Glock
Kamui Kobayashi
Charles Pic
Felipe Massa
Narain Karthikeyan
Michael Schumacher
Bruno Senna
Vitaly Petrov
Jean-Eric Vergne
Mark Webber


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In all honesty though, this is mental. Jenson Button had a DREADFUL year - *utterly* demolished by Hamilton in both qualifying (17-3) and the race, and that's before even considering the rest of the front runners. Hamilton was struck with a number of terminal reliability issues, two of them while he was leading... All but 2 of Hamilton's retirements came when he was ahead of Button, none of Button's retirements occurred while he was ahead of Hamilton.

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DOLOMITE wrote:
I started to type something like "sorry if I offended you somehow" but I stopped for the simple reason that it would be total bullshit. I'm not sorry, I don't really know your problem is with this thread, and frankly I don't give a crap. So you know what? Over to you. Do it in a "useful" way. A "no-brainer" free, all encompassing, unbiased, 100% objective analysis. One with a mathematically sound and proven methodology that will render any questioning of it's legitimacy redundant. We can all bow to your unquestionable superiority.

The quality has been declining on this forum for a while and I don't get as much time to post as I like. Coming back to a thread I started and seeing some sugarplum who doesn' even know me label the exercise useless hardly inspires me, so that's it, I'm done. Thanks to those who took the time to partake - hopefully someone will pick it up. I'll post back with the standings from previous years for comparison and then get on with enjoying the real world.


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I think you may be overreacting a little bit here DOLO, but i do agree with the underlined bit.
Can't really blame you, i am sure you have better things to do and taking the time to do something like this every year is something you should be thanked for.

God i miss the old forum.


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