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Author:  alexonos [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:44 am ]
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your thoughts...

Author:  sennafan24 [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:45 am ]
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England have produced the highest amount of Champions in that period by my count with 3. Finland would also equal Germany with 2.

Lewis
Jenson
Damon

Germany still has the most Championships though, by a quite a margin.

Author:  sgt.hartman [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:09 am ]
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1914-1918; 1939-1945, no German championships.

:-P

Author:  JerCotter7 [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:13 am ]
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sgt.hartman wrote:
1914-1918; 1939-1945, no German championships.

:-P


Did you really find that appropriate?

Author:  Turtle_ [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:06 am ]
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sgt.hartman wrote:
1914-1918; 1939-1945, no German championships.

:-P


All jokes aside, 1950 - 1993, no German championships, which is remarkable considering the high level of German drivers we have seen in F1 in recent years.

Author:  TorrentialPace [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:46 am ]
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german characteristics make for good drivers

Author:  Siao7 [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:35 am ]
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Turtle_ wrote:
sgt.hartman wrote:
1914-1918; 1939-1945, no German championships.

:-P


All jokes aside, 1950 - 1993, no German championships, which is remarkable considering the high level of German drivers we have seen in F1 in recent years.


Bar a fatal accident involving Clark, we would have had more from '61 onwards.

Author:  Sevenfest [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:42 am ]
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SchumieRules wrote:
Turtle_ wrote:
sgt.hartman wrote:
1914-1918; 1939-1945, no German championships.

:-P


All jokes aside, 1950 - 1993, no German championships, which is remarkable considering the high level of German drivers we have seen in F1 in recent years.


Bar a fatal accident involving Clark, we would have had more from '61 onwards.


Von Tripps?

Author:  mikeyg123 [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:08 am ]
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Von Tripps could have one. He is one of these drivers that seems to get forgotten about.

Author:  Siao7 [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:15 am ]
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Yes, Von Tripps. He was leading the WDC I think when he died and would have won it most likely. And he was a cracking driver as well, on form

Author:  LKS1 [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:26 am ]
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For such a small country, the Finns have produced disproportionately more Champions than anyone else?

Author:  Siao7 [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:28 am ]
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LKS1 wrote:
For such a small country, the Finns have produced disproportionately more racing drivers than anyone else?


Yes, if you also count the WRC then it is exceptional

Author:  LKS1 [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:29 am ]
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Sorry SchumiRules - edited my post after you replied.

Author:  moby [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:35 am ]
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All jokes aside, 1950 - 1993, no German championships, which is remarkable considering the high level of German drivers we have seen in F1 in recent years.

Jochen Rindt?

Author:  Siao7 [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:35 am ]
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I think it still applies. So many WRC champions!

Makinen, Kankunen, Vatanen, Gronholm, Micola, Salonen.

Author:  mac_d [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:10 am ]
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sgt.hartman wrote:
1914-1918; 1939-1945, no German championships.

:-P


I found this quite funny. It's a staple of British humour, when all else fails.. mention the war(s).


Anyway, great record for German driving here.

So we have Schumi (94-95), Damon (96), JV (97), Mika (98,99), Schumi (00-04), Alonso (05-06), Kimi (07), Lewis (08), Jenson (09), Vettel (10-12).

Germany * 2, UK, Canada, Finland * 2, Germany * 5, Spain * 2, Finland, UK, UK, Germany * 3.

5 Countries over 19 seasons, and over half to Germany.

Going by population (which is total BS but I'm bored and got to wait until half 10 for a scan to finish) - Finland has about 2.5% of the total population of those 5 countries. So 15% of the titles is respectable.
-Germany has 35% of the population, and 52% of the titles.
-UK has 27% of the population and 15% of the titles.
-Spain has 20% of the population and 10.5% of the titles.
-Canada has 15% of the population and 5% of the titles.

So, that means nothing but was something to do for a wee bit.

Author:  thebirgredone [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:17 am ]
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This state is heavily biased due to the dominance of schumi, he was the best of his generation and most of his time in F1 he had the best or second best car.

over this period there has been a lot of ordinary German drivers, only one German driver in the top 3 teams over the last 10 years proves this.

Author:  mcdo [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:05 am ]
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sgt.hartman wrote:
1914-1918; 1939-1945, no German championships.

:-P

:lol:

Author:  kalikarios [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:23 pm ]
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moby wrote:
All jokes aside, 1950 - 1993, no German championships, which is remarkable considering the high level of German drivers we have seen in F1 in recent years.

Jochen Rindt?


Jochen Rindt was austrian.

Author:  Lt. Drebin [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:25 pm ]
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sgt.hartman wrote:
1914-1918; 1939-1945, no German championships.

:-P

Quite uncalled for.

Author:  PacificBeach [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:50 pm ]
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Vettel being only 25 and Hulkenberg looking very very good, they have a good chance to add to their countries tally a few more...

For Rosberg, Finns and Germans share the bounty if he wins WDC...

Author:  mikeyg123 [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:56 pm ]
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Lt. Drebin wrote:
sgt.hartman wrote:
1914-1918; 1939-1945, no German championships.

:-P

Quite uncalled for.


Also quite funny...

Author:  moby [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:58 pm ]
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kalikarios wrote:
moby wrote:
All jokes aside, 1950 - 1993, no German championships, which is remarkable considering the high level of German drivers we have seen in F1 in recent years.

Jochen Rindt?


Jochen Rindt was austrian.



Karl Jochen Rindt (born April 18, 1942 in Mainz, Germany;


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jochen_Rindt


I never have full faith in Wikki though

Author:  ThreeEightOne [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:56 pm ]
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moby wrote:
Karl Jochen Rindt (born April 18, 1942 in Mainz, Germany;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jochen_Rindt

I never have full faith in Wikki though


Jochen Rindt was born in Mainz, Germany, but after his parents were killed in a bombing raid in Hamburg during the Second World War, he was raised by his grandparents in Graz, Austria, where he grew up and started motor racing. Although Rindt never became an Austrian citizen, he did drive his entire career under an Austrian racing licence..

According to Wikipedia, he was German but his racing license was Austrian. So if Wikipedia is right, Wikipedia would be wrong to put Austrian as his nationaly... :?

Author:  f1madman [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:45 pm ]
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mcdo wrote:
sgt.hartman wrote:
1914-1918; 1939-1945, no German championships.

:-P

:lol:


:lol: :lol: Excellent

Author:  Benici [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:48 pm ]
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sgt.hartman wrote:
1914-1918; 1939-1945, no German championships.

:-P


Shhh! Don't mention the war! I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it.

Author:  Fiki [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:55 pm ]
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alexonos wrote:
1994-2012 - 10 german driver championships...

your thoughts...

Sorry, I "only" count 9.

Author:  AFCTUJacko [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 5:32 pm ]
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Fiki wrote:
alexonos wrote:
1994-2012 - 10 german driver championships...

your thoughts...

Sorry, I "only" count 9.


Schumacher won 7, Vettel 3.

3+7=10

Comprende? :D

Author:  Laura23 [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 5:42 pm ]
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AFCTUJacko wrote:
Fiki wrote:
alexonos wrote:
1994-2012 - 10 german driver championships...

your thoughts...

Sorry, I "only" count 9.


Schumacher won 7, Vettel 3.

3+7=10

Comprende? :D

You don't know what you've just done...

Author:  PacificBeach [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 5:46 pm ]
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Fiki wrote:
alexonos wrote:
1994-2012 - 10 german driver championships...

your thoughts...

Sorry, I "only" count 9.

Missing a finger Fiki??? :)

Author:  moby [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 5:54 pm ]
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ThreeEightOne wrote:
moby wrote:
Karl Jochen Rindt (born April 18, 1942 in Mainz, Germany;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jochen_Rindt

I never have full faith in Wikki though


Jochen Rindt was born in Mainz, Germany, but after his parents were killed in a bombing raid in Hamburg during the Second World War, he was raised by his grandparents in Graz, Austria, where he grew up and started motor racing. Although Rindt never became an Austrian citizen, he did drive his entire career under an Austrian racing licence..

According to Wikipedia, he was German but his racing license was Austrian. So if Wikipedia is right, Wikipedia would be wrong to put Austrian as his nationaly... :?

Hmm, tin of worms time again :]

How many drivers have only held British licenses?

Irrelevant as I'm not going to argue the point. I always thought he was German, but dont remember which anthem he had. I only brought it up to mention it, not argue it.

Author:  ashley313 [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:47 pm ]
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Thirteen and a half million viewers for RTL on Sunday. Don't expect the onslaught of Germans in F1 to slow. The last generation had Michael to be their hero, and now the next has Sebastian. I'm sure running a karting facility is not a bad business to be in in Germany.

Author:  mikeyg123 [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:06 pm ]
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Fiki wrote:
alexonos wrote:
1994-2012 - 10 german driver championships...

your thoughts...

Sorry, I "only" count 9.


We all know what you think, and many people agree, but is it really necessary to derail every thread?

Author:  Eva09 [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:18 pm ]
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mikeyg123 wrote:
Fiki wrote:
alexonos wrote:
1994-2012 - 10 german driver championships...

your thoughts...

Sorry, I "only" count 9.


We all know what you think, and many people agree, but is it really necessary to derail every thread?


Fiki is the photographer hiding in the tyres on the exit of that corner in Adelaide. When Schumacher hit the barrier, Fiki had a finger severed. Hence he/she (gender is a mystery as there are few photos) cannot count normally.

Author:  Fiki [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:38 pm ]
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:lol:

Author:  zoomsthru [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:56 pm ]
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I guess Germany have been somewhat lucky recently that they produced two great drivers who managed to find themselves in great teams. Historically though, it's the UK which has the strongest ties to F1 (most engineers are still based there), so one should expect them to lead the overall standings. A quick look at the all-time list of F1 drivers confirms that:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Formula_One_drivers

Much to my surprise, the United States is second on the list! Germany is only 5th currently, but perhaps thanks in some part to Schumi's success, plenty of drivers are now entering the sport from the country. Vettel's recent triumphs will likely fuel further interest in F1 in Germany. BMW are heavily involved in open-wheel racing (I don't know if Mercedes and Porsche are active in this area) so it's perhaps not too far-fetched to expect a few more German champions in the next two decades. Out of the current non-Vettel German drivers, I guess Rosberg and Hulkenberg have the best chance of being crowned champion.

Author:  Lt. Drebin [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:03 pm ]
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zoomsthru wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Formula_One_drivers

Much to my surprise, the United States is second on the list!

If you look closely apart from a couple of them, they all have just a couple races. It is because Indy500 has been counted to F1 standings around late 50's.

Author:  Arbitrarius [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:04 pm ]
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zoomsthru wrote:
Much to my surprise, the United States is second on the list!


I had a quick scan through the list and it looked like the majority of the drivers were racing in the 50's and 60's. I wonder if it's because American racing series during that period weren't fully developed or perhaps that during the 70s onwards drivers from other nationalities increased (I suppose another look at the list may answer that).

It reminds me of the stat that the UK has the second highest number of world motorcycle champions but when you look their championship years, they were mostly in the 50's and 60's (after next season, it will be a surprise if the UK doesn't drop to 3rd).

Author:  Arbitrarius [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:18 pm ]
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Lt. Drebin wrote:
zoomsthru wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Formula_One_drivers

Much to my surprise, the United States is second on the list!

If you look closely apart from a couple of them, they all have just a couple races. It is because Indy500 has been counted to F1 standings around late 50's.


Good point! I counted 35 US drivers with dates after the Indy 500 was dropped from the F1 calendar. That's quite decent but a big difference.

Author:  zaar [ Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:38 pm ]
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To be honest, I never really got the "national side" of F1 fans.

F1 is such a tiny fraction of drivers. Motorsports may be quite popular in Germany after Michael, but talent aside one needs so much more to able to acquire a F1 seat, that I for one don't see any logical conjunction between nationality and drivers championchips. What's needed more than the "right" nationality is the right team ;). I agree that Michaels success distorts the image somewhat.

I'm watching motorsport since the early 80s and still think that Stefan Bellof would have been the real deal.

Funnily my all time favourite driver (I'm german) is british. I still remember camping 1992 at Hockenheim. I wore my red five T-shirt the whole event (ugh ...). We spent the evenings with british fans camping beside us (I think, we had a drink or two ;)). Interestingly they were Ferrari fans o_O. Those were the days ... (sorry to say that, but there's way too much soccer like fan scene in F1 lately).

But ... um ... please stop mentioning the war :p

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