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Sauber is also looking good


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:32 am 
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Here’s Ted with more on Hamilton’s accident: “I’m just back from the garage, where they were attracting attention of the wrong sorts. There’s not too much damage: the front wing snapped off at the nose pillars and the car had picked up a fair bit of gravel. But both front wheels were still attached to the car. That’s damage that can be repaired fairly quickly, but obviously Mercedes will want to know the cause. The one thing we do know is that the car didn’t make the corner, so was it brake failure? It seems unlikely as there were skid marks on the track, but we don’t know if they only came from the front or the rear, so there could have been a mechanical problem. If not, could it have been that Lewis was caught out by the braking characteristics of his new car? Maybe the rear locked up; maybe it was a KERS charging quirk and he got less engine braking than the previous lap. We’ll let you know as soon as the team confirm. It’s all part of learning about a new car in testing.”


No major damage it seems.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:32 am 
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aryaputhra wrote:
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Some "non-reliable" reports from the track saying that the Force India looks like its a handful, Ferrari and McLaren handling well but the Red Bull looks planted to the road.


Yeah, many of them look like a handfull (surprise, surprise it's testing). The other one is Williams.

Torro Rosso looks like they have improved. They should be a good challenge to the middle order.


I doubt it. They haven't necessarily had a major technical reshuffle. They could be doing low fuel runs.

I still reckon they will be around the same place as they were last season.

I hope my predictions are wrong, I like STR.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:34 am 
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News in that it was caused by a rear brake failure.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:34 am 
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If i was schumacher i'd be at home doing whatever i wanted with my fortune

I think someone needs to add a bit more gravel, or at least loosen up the stuff there, it looks like it just acted as a less than effective road


That is the reason why the FIA prefer Tarmac run off areas to gravel


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:36 am 
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Hamilton crash at Jerez caused by failure of rear brakes. No driver error.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:42 am 
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Lewis suffered a loss of rear brake pressure, the front brakes enabled him to slow the car but he couldn't avoid the barrier...

Obvious damage to the front wing and nose; we are checking the car over now...


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:46 am 
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Some "non-reliable" reports from the track saying that the Force India looks like its a handful, Ferrari and McLaren handling well but the Red Bull looks planted to the road.

Now regarding the RedBull... Webber said that he suffered some quite uncomfortable understeering during the first day... could be a sign for gained rear-downforce...

I'd file it under "early mindgames" though ;)

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:47 am 
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SO its not just going to be a case of stick a new nose on and go back out. They will have to fix the brake failure meaning another day lost for merc


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:48 am 
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Not to worry, at his first McLaren F1 test LH completely wrecked the car, so this is his best-ever start at an F1 team.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:52 am 
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SO its not just going to be a case of stick a new nose on and go back out. They will have to fix the brake failure meaning another day lost for merc


Nah, coupla hours for those guys I'd think


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:53 am 
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Not to worry, at his first McLaren F1 test LH completely wrecked the car, so this is his best-ever start at an F1 team.

Yep, he's not done anything wrong this time :)

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tedkravitz: Hamilton's rear brake failure will take quite a bit of time to investigate and repair, don't expect him to be back out anytime soon

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tedkravitz: Hamilton's rear brake failure will take quite a bit of time to investigate and repair, don't expect him to be back out anytime soon

That's if it really was a brake failure, it's probably true but sometimes teams save the driver embarrassment by claiming a technical fault.


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gro wacks in another 1:19 :)

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:57 am 
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flyer wrote:
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tedkravitz: Hamilton's rear brake failure will take quite a bit of time to investigate and repair, don't expect him to be back out anytime soon

That's if it really was a brake failure, it's probably true but sometimes teams save the driver embarrassment by claiming a technical fault.


I remember at Monza 2012, qualifying, Ferrari said that Alonso had a rear anti roll bar problem and yet it was fine the next day.

I thought teams aren't allowed to make modifications to their car in Parc Ferme?


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It was a broken anti roll bar - and I think some parts you are allowed to replace if broken - but you can occur penalties with things like gear boxes and the like


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flyer wrote:
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tedkravitz: Hamilton's rear brake failure will take quite a bit of time to investigate and repair, don't expect him to be back out anytime soon

That's if it really was a brake failure, it's probably true but sometimes teams save the driver embarrassment by claiming a technical fault.

Indeed. Mercedes are definitely going to waste lots of valuable, limited testing time covering up a driver error by pretending to fix a problem that isn't actually there.


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tedkravitz: Hamilton's rear brake failure will take quite a bit of time to investigate and repair, don't expect him to be back out anytime soon

That's if it really was a brake failure, it's probably true but sometimes teams save the driver embarrassment by claiming a technical fault.

Indeed. Mercedes are definitely going to waste lots of valuable, limited testing time covering up a driver error by pretending to fix a problem that isn't actually there.


How do you know?

Why do you dismiss the possibility of an actual brake failure?

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tedkravitz: Hamilton's rear brake failure will take quite a bit of time to investigate and repair, don't expect him to be back out anytime soon

That's if it really was a brake failure, it's probably true but sometimes teams save the driver embarrassment by claiming a technical fault.

Indeed. Mercedes are definitely going to waste lots of valuable, limited testing time covering up a driver error by pretending to fix a problem that isn't actually there.


How do you know?

Why do you dismiss the possibility of an actual brake failure?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:15 am 
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Still happy with your move Hamilton?

Brake Fails just like HRT.


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Alienturnedhuman wrote:
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tedkravitz: Hamilton's rear brake failure will take quite a bit of time to investigate and repair, don't expect him to be back out anytime soon

That's if it really was a brake failure, it's probably true but sometimes teams save the driver embarrassment by claiming a technical fault.

Indeed. Mercedes are definitely going to waste lots of valuable, limited testing time covering up a driver error by pretending to fix a problem that isn't actually there.


What makes you so certain of that?

Did you secretly install some telemetry in his car and see whether it was him braking too late?

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Alienturnedhuman wrote:
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tedkravitz: Hamilton's rear brake failure will take quite a bit of time to investigate and repair, don't expect him to be back out anytime soon

That's if it really was a brake failure, it's probably true but sometimes teams save the driver embarrassment by claiming a technical fault.

Indeed. Mercedes are definitely going to waste lots of valuable, limited testing time covering up a driver error by pretending to fix a problem that isn't actually there.


How do you know?

Why do you dismiss the possibility of an actual brake failure?

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Ah, sorry mate, my bad!

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I have to say I am supremely impressed with the work Lotus have done both last year and now this year. Their budget has to be quite measly compared to the big three at least and even Mercedes I imagine but damn they have some good young engineers working at Enstone who continue to deliver amazingly fast lap times.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:29 am 
day 1: the car is on fire after 11 laps
day 2: the brakes fail after 15 laps

I'm really happy that Michael got off the Mercedes circus...


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Update from Jerez... we have traced the problem to the hydraulic brake line connecting to the right-rear caliper

The impact with the barrier also damaged the front left corner (suspension and associated aero parts)...

No news yet as to when we will be back out on track


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day 1: the car is on fire after 11 laps
day 2: the brakes fail after 15 laps

I'm really happy that Michael got off the Mercedes circus...


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RED FLAG - Looks like Razia has stopped on the start/finish straight.


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Gro under 1:19 now

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Ro Gro killing it in Jerez! in the high 1:18s


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If it's fast, no one will care.


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flyer wrote:
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tedkravitz: Hamilton's rear brake failure will take quite a bit of time to investigate and repair, don't expect him to be back out anytime soon

That's if it really was a brake failure, it's probably true but sometimes teams save the driver embarrassment by claiming a technical fault.

Oh dear, haven't you seen the pics?

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My goodness Grosjean seems to be fast and consistent, gone into the 1.18's to set the fastest lap so far and is doing longer runs in the 1.19's, I will be very interested to see how Kimi fares with the E21.

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tedkravitz: Hamilton's rear brake failure will take quite a bit of time to investigate and repair, don't expect him to be back out anytime soon

That's if it really was a brake failure, it's probably true but sometimes teams save the driver embarrassment by claiming a technical fault.

Indeed. Mercedes are definitely going to waste lots of valuable, limited testing time covering up a driver error by pretending to fix a problem that isn't actually there.


What makes you so certain of that?

Did you secretly install some telemetry in his car and see whether it was him braking too late?

;)

with 160mph straight into the gravel and the barriers , is not braking too late, it is no braking at all because the breakes did not work

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My goodness Grosjean seems to be fast and consistent, gone into the 1.18's to set the fastest lap so far and is doing longer runs in the 1.19's, I will be very interested to see how Kimi fares with the E21.

So maybe Lotus is the team to look at?

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My goodness Grosjean seems to be fast and consistent, gone into the 1.18's to set the fastest lap so far and is doing longer runs in the 1.19's, I will be very interested to see how Kimi fares with the E21.

So maybe Lotus is the team to look at?


Maybe, but it's only testing :)

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STR always flatter to deceive in testing...

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