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They really got some laps done in the last two days

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Fastest laps - Day 1
01. Button/McLaren - 1:18.861 - 37 Laps
02. Webber/Red Bull - 1:19.709 +0.848 - 73 Laps
03. Grosjean/Lotus - 1:19.796 +0.935 - 54 Laps
04. di Resta/Force India - 1:20.343 +1.482 - 89 Laps
05. Ricciardo/Toro Rosso - 1:20.401 +1.540 - 70 Laps
06. Massa/Ferrari - 1:20.536 +1.675 - 64 Laps
07. Hulkenberg/Sauber - 1:20.699 +1.838 - 79 Laps
08. Rosberg/Mercedes - 1:20.846 +1.985 - 11 Laps
09. Maldonado/Williams - 1:20.864 +2.003 - 84 Laps
10. van der Garde/Caterham - 1:21.915 +3.054 - 64 Laps
11. Chilton/Marussia - 1:24.176 +5.315 - 29 Laps

Fastest laps - Day 2
01. Grosjean/Lotus - 1:18.218 - 95 Laps
02. di Resta/Force India - 1:19.003 +0.785 - 95 Laps
03. Ricciardo/Toro Rosso - 1:19.134 +0.916 - 83 Laps
04. Webber/Red Bull - 1:19.338 +1.120 - 101 Laps
05. Hulkenberg/Sauber - 1:19.502 +1.284 - 99 Laps
06. Hamilton/Mercedes - 1:19.519 +1.301 - 15 Laps
07. Perez/McLaren - 1:19.572 +1.354 - 81 Laps
08. Massa/Ferrari - 1:19.914 +1.696 - 78 Laps
09. Maldonado/Williams - 1:20.693 +2.475 - 71 Laps
10. Rossiter/Force India - 1:21.273 +3.055 - 19 Laps
11. van der Garde/Caterham - 1:21.311 +3.093 - 88 Laps
12. Razia/Marussia - 1:23.537 +5.319 - 31 Laps

Fastest laps - Day 3
01. Massa/Ferrari - 1:17.879 - 85 Laps
02. Rosberg/Mercedes - 1:18.766 +0.887 - 148 Laps
03. Vettel/Red Bull - 1:19.052 +1.173 - 102 Laps
04. Raikkonen/Lotus - 1:19.200 +1.321 - 40 Laps
05. Vergne/Toro Rosso - 1:19.247 +1.368 - 85 Laps
06. Rossiter/Force India - 1:19.303 +1.424 - 42 Laps
07. Button/McLaren - 1:19.603 +1.724 - 83 Laps
08. Gutierrez/Sauber - 1:19.934 +2.055 - 110 Laps
09. Chilton/Marussia - 1:21.269 +3.390 - 78 Laps
10. Bottas/Williams - 1:21.575 +3.696 - 86 Laps
11. Pic/Caterham - 1:22.352 +4.473 - 57 Laps
12. di Resta/Force India - 1:23.729 +5.850 - 7 Laps

Fastest Laps Day 4
01. Raikkonen/Lotus - 1:18.148 - 83 Laps
02. Bianchi/Force India - 1:18.175 +0.027 - 56 Laps
03. Vettel/Red Bull - 1:18.565 +0.417 - 96 Laps
04. Gutierrez/Sauber - 1:18.669 +0.521 - 142 Laps
05. Vergne/Toro Rosso - 1:18.760 +0.612 - 92 Laps
06. Hamilton/Mercedes - 1:18.905 +0.757 - 145 Laps
07. Perez/McLaren - 1:18.944 +0.796 - 98 Laps
08. Bottas/Williams - 1:19.851 +1.703 - 92 Laps
09. de la Rosa/Ferrari - 1:20.316 +2.168 - 51 Laps
10. Pic/Caterham - 1:21.105 +2.957 - 109 Laps
11. Razia/Marussia - 1:21.226 +3.078 - 82 Laps
12. di Resta/Force India - 1:23.435 +5.287 - 49 Laps

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He failed by 3 laps, thats 1-0 to Rosberg in the teammate wars then

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just noticed that force india havent done much mileage

oh my bad didnt notice that Di Resta drove on day 2 as well

Well, by my rough count, Mercedes did manage to eventually make up some decent mileage in that test... Not sure how god it is cramming it into 2 days, but here's my totals:

Sauber TOTAL – 430
Red Bull TOTAL - 372
Force India TOTAL - 357
Williams TOTAL – 332
Toro Rosso TOTAL - 330
Mercedes TOTAL – 319
Caterham TOTAL - 318
McLaren TOTAL - 298
Ferrari TOTAL - 277
Lotus TOTAL – 271
Marussia TOTAL - 219


Gotta say, other than the obvious Sauber, RBR have put in some mileage onto their car...

Yes because Merc are letting him use the team as his little play thing to go out and get the highest number of laps in testing.

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

A little inter team rivalry is fine at this time especially as they wanted as many laps as possible. They maybe did tell Lewis to try and beat Nico's lap count from yesterday.

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Yes I am sure they said go out and do more miles than Nico. How ever the context was likely more miles the better rather than lets see if you can do more more than Nico.

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

The general idea was still the same. Beat Nico's lap count from day 3.

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I find how the laps are grouped more interesting than how many are completed. You can infer race sim, fuel run out, setup work, aero testing, etc by examining the run data (and you can then check the notes to see if you were right ).

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No, in one the idea is simply to beat the others number of laps. In the other its to gather as much info as possibly before the flag comes down.

Very different general ideas.

I don't think for one minute Lewis had a "Score " in his head he was trying to beat. Nor do I think his Radio man was counting down the laps until he beat Nicos record.

I do think however like the majority of testing. They had a program and were trying to do as many laps as possible to get it all done before they have to load up the trucks.

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

Hamilton is a racing driver. All racing drivers want to get the fastest times and best their team mates. He is no different. He would have wanted the better lap time and the better lap count. It's in his competitive nature.

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Circuito de Jerez, Spain 5th - 8th February 2013
Length: 4.428 km / 2.751 miles

Fastest laps

01. Massa/Ferrari - 1:17.879 (205 km/h)
02. Raikkonen/Lotus - 1:18.148 + 0.269
03. Bianchi/ Force India - 1:18.175 + 0.296
04. Grosjean/Lotus - 1:18.218 + 0.339
05. Vettel/Red Bull - 1:18.565 + 0.686
06. Gutierrez/Sauber - 1:18.669 + 0.790
07. Vergne/Toro Rosso - 1:18.760 + 0.881
08. Rosberg/Mercedes - 1:18.766 + 0.887
09. Button/McLaren - 1:18.861 + 0.982
10. Hamilton/Mercedes - 1:18.905 + 1.026
11. Perez/McLaren - 1:18.944 + 1.065
12. di Resta/Force India - 1:19.003 + 1.124
13. Ricciardo/Toro Rosso - 1:19.134 + 1.255
14. Rossiter/Force India - 1:19.303 + 1.424
15. Webber/Red Bull - 1:19.338 + 1.459
16. Hulkenberg/Sauber - 1:19.502 + 1.623
17. Bottas/Williams - 1:19.851 + 1.972
18. de la Rosa/Ferrari - 1:20.316 + 2.437
19. Maldonado/Williams - 1:20.693 + 2.814
20. Pic/Caterham - 1:21.105 + 3.226
21. Razia/Marussia - 1:21.226 + 3.347
22. Chilton/Marussia - 1:21.269 + 3.390
23. van der Garde/Caterham - 1:21.311 + 3.432

Driver Mileage

01. Gutierrez/Sauber - 252 Laps
02. di Resta/Force India - 240 Laps
03. Massa/Ferrari - 227 Laps
04. Vettel/Red Bull - 198 Laps
05. Perez/McLaren - 179 Laps
06. Hulkenberg/Sauber - 178 Laps
06. Bottas/Williams - 178 Laps
08. Vergne/Toro Rosso - 177 Laps
09. Webber/Red Bull - 174 Laps
10. Pic/Caterham - 166 Laps
11. Hamilton/Mercedes - 160 Laps
12. Rosberg/Mercedes - 159 Laps
13. Maldonado/Williams - 155 Laps
14. Ricciardo/Toro Rosso - 153 Laps
15. van der Garde/Caterham - 152 Laps
16. Grosjean/Lotus - 149 Laps
17. Raikkonen/Lotus - 123 Laps
18. Button/McLaren - 120 Laps
19. Razia/Marussia - 113 Laps
20. Chilton/Marussia - 107 Laps
21. Rossiter/Force India - 61 Laps
22. Bianchi/Force India - 56 Laps
23. de la Rosa/Ferrari - 51 Laps

Team Mileage

01. Sauber - 430 Laps / 1904km
02. Red Bull - 372 Laps / 1647km
03. Force India - 357 Laps / 1581km
04. Williams - 333 Laps / 1475km
05. Toro Rosso - 330 Laps / 1461km
06. Mercedes - 319 Laps / 1413km
07. Caterham - 318 Laps / 1408km
08. McLaren - 299 Laps / 1324km
09. Ferrari - 278 Laps / 1231km
10. Lotus - 272 Laps / 1204km
11. Marussia - 220 Laps / 974km

Engine Mileage

01. Renault - 5734km
02. Ferrari - 4596km
03. Mercedes-Benz - 4318km
04. Cosworth - 974km

Tyre Mileage

Pirelli - 3528 Laps / 15 662 km (9706 miles)

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Doing more laps isn't always a sign that things are going well. It can be indicative that you're hopelessly lost in a sea of setup changes too. Not saying that's the case with Merc or anyone, just that it happens.

When you are working through a program you tend to just concentrate on what the assigned task for each run is, how many laps, what kind of pace you're looking for, what the purpose is, if you are getting the info you want or seeing the results you intended. Then after a bunch of runs in the back of your mind you're going "i did a 13 lap run, then 10, 8, 15, whatever...I must be getting up there in laps," then the same when you get out of the car and have a little stretch or notice that your arms are getting heavy, and that's about it. IME. anyway

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Then that completely misses out the point of testing. Especially at this stage.

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

So who is quick and how is not Ashley, of the leading teams?

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Well given you aren't a part of the Merc team and you don't know what was or wasn't said then it's safe to say you don't know if they did or didn't do that.

As racing drivers their competitive instinct never leaves them, they want to be top whether it's Quali, the race, practice or testing. It's in their blood.

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In testing the competitive spirit has to go out the window and do as they are told so the team can gather the data they want.

Otherwise why would they go into Testing with a program? They might as well just fill the tanks and let the drivers battle it out.

Can you see Ross Brawn saying "Right fill him up and send him out with new boots. Never mind the set up change we were going to try Lewis wants to beat Nicos score and we won't have time to change the spring rates and do the laps"

No if they want to change something Lewis would be called in and they would change something and send him back out regardless of how many laps Lewis wanted to do.

If Lewis or any other driver is told to drive to a Delta they won't go out and do quick laps just to go faster than their team mates.

The drivers also know going out to beat someone elses time is meaningless as the cars will have been changed between runs making the time comparison meaningless.

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

If you look closely I said nothing in my last post about Mercedes telling him anything only that a racing driver's instinct is to go as quickly as possible 100% of the time. Lewis is no different, he would have wanted to go as fast as possible in that Merc today and beat Rosberg's time from yesterday. F1 is as much about psychological advantage in inter team battles these days as speed is. However Mercedes themselves won't care, they just wanted as many laps done as possible to make up for lost time. But if they told Lewis to try and top Rosberg's lap count from yesterday I wouldn't be shocked either.

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Why would there be a competitive nature to lap count when the total doesn't mean anything? surely if ever the statement "quality not quantity" were relevant its in this situation. Whatever.

pokerman - I haven't looked at the runs for quickness, mostly just consistency. Of the few I had a good look at yesterday and today: Kimi has had some really impressive stints where his times were extremely close over many laps relative to the others, Lewis' times were mostly "in order" on his more consistent runs, meaning they steadily dropped off versus losing a tenth or two here, then going a bit quicker, then a bit slower again, etc, Seb has been good about not wasting time with a change that doesn't work - straight back in for an adjustment it seems, the STR boys have both enjoyed an improved process for setting up the car meaning they are trying more things and the car is responding (there's an almost regularity to the intervals between runs, and then a nice consistent one before the next big break), and since all three FI drivers have been able to get up to speed in a reasonable window I'd say that car is user friendly. I didn't look hard enough at any others to draw any basic conclusions.

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He maybe would have wanted to as fast as possible. However it's testing and there is no point going as fast as he can if the team is telling him otherwise. If they are looking info on tyre wear over a long run Lewis going out and doing bonzai Quali style laps would be a direct contradiction of what the team is trying to do. If they are trying to do a race sim again Lewis trying to do fast ones and chewing up tyres would again be a direct conflict.

And as it's testing it has absolutely no psychological advantage as both drivers would be on a different program. Unless you think Merc were willing to waste time by running the same tests twice all week.

Nevermind that beating yesterdays time is as pointless as trying to beat JBs from day one as the track would have evolved and gotten quicker etc etc.

The teams would have went in with a set of plans over the 4 days. Merc would have re-wrote them on Tuesday and again on Wedensday. Come Thursday and Friday they would have singing off a hymn sheet written before the cars hit the track.

Testing at this stage is about learning the car. Pretty sure Lewis even said himself it was about what changes did what. Not about beating your team mate. That starts in Oz. Thinking he is simply trying to beat Nico's time isn't exactly giving him any credit as a team player now is it?

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

Johnston you know as much about Merc's programmes and Lewis' test plans as I do. Which is to say nothing at all.

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Geez...I was only kidding about him wanting to beat Nico's total!

Glad they caught up anyway, I hate to see teams miss out on testing time through little faults, especially when there's so little testing these days.

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I highly doubt Hamilton, the pit wall or anyone there was thinking "you know what our plan is for today? We're gunnu put aside all this testing crap, and just belt round the track in hope that we can be the first team to ever get to 150 laps in 1 test".

The teams dont just sit there coming up with ideas on how to 'beat' people in testing just for shits and giggles. They go there with a planned out strategy. Merc were obviously on the backfoot after two crap days, so had to get as many laps in as possible for the next two days.

You'll also notice that both Hamilton and Rosberg didn't set their laps in 1 consecutive run, they came in for a couple of hours multiple times whilst new parts were fitted. Hamilton had a completely different setup today, maybe merc were testing their second setup to see which out of the two gave better long run performance.

It's just testing. Getting fastest laps, highest lap counts, etc mean absolutely fuck all.

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absolutely spot on.

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Ok thanks

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So their wind tunnel sucks, AND their sim sucks?

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/105505

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Well do you think their program was to test or to see who could do more and fastest laps?

Especially considering this is the first test and is traditionally used for reliability and experimentation?

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

Honestly I don't know. Only the team does. They wanted as much laps done as possible on the last two days to make up for lost time on the first two days though. Merc seemed to like going for the glory run in testing last year too.

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Well look at it this way which is more productive.

Testing to the program or just going around to get more laps than the other guy as quick as possible?

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

They have very strict test programs and deltas are set to produce the best results. The driver will have 0 say on the number of laps and the pace, but will provide feedback on the car and then the program may be adjusted.

Somewhere in Hamiltons mind he may of thought I will take an opportunity on this particular part of the program to see if I can out pace Nico - but the likelihood of driving on different days and in different conditions pretty much negates any validity on the result.

What the hell is this, is this even an argument?

Johnston put it best: "Reliability".

Reliability = Miles
Miles = Confidence
Confidence = Points

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well correct me if i'm wrong but in the Jerez test for 2012 i'm sure Merc used their 2011 car

also as others have stated, if they were merely going to pound round for as many laps as possible, with no testing programs, why were there periods of time when they were in the garage for 2 hours+ experimenting with different parts and altering the car?

As far as we could see , Mercedes & Lewis tested today different set ups,different rear end with DRD, compared the 2 frontwings. Lewis run both the old & the new,

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The teams are not trying to set fast laps or do as many as they can. The only reason the two merc guys did alot over the last two days is that they lost time on the first two days and were just trying to complete the programme.

Testing is not a competition it's about first seeing how the car handles compared to simulations, then how it works the tryres and then how it reacts to changes, how it is on long runs / quick laps etc.. And what is the best set up etc .. The drivers realise this and are more concerned with sorting the car out rather than being quickest or doing most laps.

On a side note I have a feeling massa did that fast lap as he was pissed with doing the donkey work. He looked and sounded real pissed off

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If people don't have inside knowledge then people on here are just speculating on nothing but an uninformed opinion based on no logical facts, unless of course they can show the data to back it up from within the teams...

So many things would of been different, fuel load, tyres, duct, engine settings, set-up adjustments, part tweaks etc etc, not to mention a different program the driver could of been on in terms of what they are testing (Like general function of parts, reliability etc)

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what I've taken from the timesheets are that Bianchi is much faster than Diresta and Rossiter, and Guiterez is much faster than the Hulk. But of course, I dunno if they were all testing different stuff but the rest of the drivers were pretty close to their teammates is what I mean.

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