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Sadly I have not been paying too much in depth attention to testing, is Massa's pace genuine or just a faster set of tyres?

According to most of the opinions here, it looks as if it was a stretch on the soft tires, to see how fast would they degrade But then again, who knows...overall, Ferrari have received relatively good reviews.


Let's lighten up a bit, after all this is a forum, where everybody is more or less ignorant/armchair pundit. I guess Brawn or Newey could tell us real hard facts, but since they're not on this forum, all we can do is beat around the bush. Live and let live...

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...and also Jenson Button fan.

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So wait. I'm the one saying they are testing at an official test rather than just trying to go faster and doing more laps than the other guy and I'm the ignorant one

you don't need to know their official test plans. With such restrictions on testing only an imbecile would be trying to beat records on an official test rather than learning about the car.

They take every opportunity to test inc filming days on crappy tyres why the hell would they waste an official test day by simply trying to beat "Scores"?

Unless the people in this thread are suggesting that Merc are that incompetent to waste a day and Hammy is that self centred he would rather try and beat Nicos "Scores" rather than meaningful tests to improve the car.

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

The fact that they are behind their competition in this department is well known and admitted by team personnels last year itself.
Ferrari had traditionally relied heavily on their own test track and on track development with 100s and 1000s of miles put on the actual track even when competitors had started using simulators in late 1990s and early 2000s. They started this very late and they have been behind for a while. The ban on testing hurt them more than anyone else to be honest as their heavy investment in their own track is now useless for F1.

Yeah ^ , next time RB wants to say they're down on horsepower we should remember that they also have 2 sacrificial cars on track to experiment with, and Ferrari have recently had to change their whole way of developing cars to something that was not in their nature. That's got to be worth a few points a season, and that's what they've lost by a few times now.

Besides it's a waste of a good track, and how much money and work went into building that?

Let them test. To each his own way of working.

But you must understand, running on track is bad, spending billions on better and better simulators is... um... good?

Yes the limited testing hurt Ferrari, but that was quite a long time ago now...you'd think a team with their resources would be up to speed (no pun intended) in the sim game (again no pun intended) by now. They've been using 'old school' thinking for too long, its good they've had that internal review and revamp of how they work this winter.

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They can try converting themselves from one philosophy to another but it will be a while before they can work as efficiently as the others who had a more analytical approach to begin with and decades of experience with that.

Don't any of the teams want to run a full 100% size windtunnel?

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Massa's fast lap was the first of a 6 (I think, it could have been 5 or 7) laps stint, during which he showed some consistency in terms of times. It was a stint on soft tyres; I understand that Button's time on day 1 was on hards, Raikkonen's on day 4 on softs and Vettel's on day 4 on hards. I am unsure about which compound was used for other cars fast lap times.

Edit: I just found this

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BCrBLrkCUAA8ZJD.jpg:large

They might want to, but are limited to 60% by the regs.

They can trade a straight line aero test day for 100% wind tunnel time. Lotus flew a chassis to North Carolina last year to do just that.

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Where did they find a straight road in North Carolina?

Wind tunnel. Wind tunnel in NC.

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Maybe they tested it on a beach.

Ah ! there is no straight line long enough nearer from their workshop ? Talk about reducing the costs...

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As my brother said : "I've got the brain of a four year old. I'll bet he was glad to be rid of it".

In 4 hrs sleep, I can't tell if you guys are deliberately obtuse or just confused.

Lotus flew a chassis to Windshear to do 100% scale tunnel testing of some new parts a few races into 2012.

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My thoughts too.

Is anyone surprised by how "slow" Di Resta is? Bianchi is miles ahead of him in terms of pace especially considering that Di Resta got in 240 laps and Bianchi a shade over 50.

Not really. The later into the test the better the car should be, and for sure the better the track is. Jules drove toward the end, and when Paul got back in he didn't do many laps, and was probably working on something else that didn't require pushing for a personal best. Jules is also pretty good at getting up to speed very quickly in a testing environment. Remember when he was fastest in multiple cars at the YDT?

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That makes sense. Still impressive from Bianchi. I see myself rooting for FI this year for some reason.

I root for FI every year and they always let me down Adrian Sutil dragged my fantasy team down for years *grumble grumble*.

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Thats a very good truth right there. I'd be doing more than grumbling.

I think Fry has changed a lot of things ever since he was promoted to Technical Director. Even last year he said it would take a while before these changes would start to bear fruit (in terms of results). Hopefully this year will be the first year that we do see some improved results.

It does seem that Ferrari's decision to fire Costa makes sense now if he let Ferrari's technical department stagnate.

I thought this article had some interesting analysis: http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2013/02/a ... t-of-2013/

One of the things that stood out to me was the comment that Mercedes are still having problems with tyre wear.

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I understood what you meant, some of the replies were just so funny

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Yep i thought so too when watching the live timing, however there may be some solace in the fact that Pirelli critcised jerez for being too abrasive

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Those times are relative. We don't know the amount of fuel each one was carrying

bumping for tomorrow...

I know that Alonso and Rosberg are driving on Day 1.

anyone know the other driver line ups?

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Taken from a post in Autosport.

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Many thanks


Just got tweet: Paul Di Resta will drive the VJM06 for 1st 2 days before former teammate, Adrian Sutil, on Thursday & on Friday, Jules Bianchi. #f1

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Tuesday line up

Red Bull - Vettel

Ferrari - Alonso

McLaren - Perez

Lotus - Raikkonen

Mercedes - Rosberg

Sauber - Gutiérrez

Force India - di Resta

Williams - Maldonado

Toro Rosso - Ricciardo

Caterham - Pic

Marussia - Chilton

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Nose comparison:



Lotus, Red Bull, Ferrari and Caterham are butt ugly!

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Red Bulls nose still intrigues me, the shape is so distinctive.

Torro Rosso's looks like it would stab someone

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Best Round Result: 1st (Monaco 2012)
Podiums: 4
2013 Championship Standing: 78th

They should have signed Sutil.

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OH Look at the amount of sponsors on That Williams ! or lacks of it

we can officially say that williams without madonado is simply broke . they simply cant afford to not let him drive

What the hell happened to their nose....looks like someone took a saw to the front of it!

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