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It's been a couple of hours, but apparently Button is driving again.

nearly 5

that would equal the number of laps he managed so far...
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First day of testing is impossible to draw conclusions from. Merc's technical difficulties are nothing to worry about. Better to get those problems sorted now than in the races. PEACE.

Yes. Problems like this are expected during first day(s).

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mercedes not running for rest of today
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Jerez update... after identifying the cause of the problem, we will not be running again today whilst parts are modified ready for tomorrow

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Not a great day for Mercedes.
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I skipped the first three pages...has anyone made the joke yet about Merc using the same guy who wired the Super Dome to do the F1 car too?


Crummy start for Merc and McLaren. Everyone else seems to be making good progress through their programs though.

New(?) shade of green on the Caterham is really nice.

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I skipped the first three pages...has anyone made the joke yet about Merc using the same guy who wired the Super Dome to do the F1 car too?


Crummy start for Merc and McLaren. Everyone else seems to be making good progress through their programs though.

New(?) shade of green on the Caterham is really nice.


Nico did do a good lap before he retired, so I suppose that's something.
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Considering these cars are mostly an evolution of designs and parts that were working 3 months ago you wonder why there are so many failures, even on day 1 of testing.

That said, Mercedes were always full of fail...

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Considering these cars are mostly an evolution of designs and parts that were working 3 months ago you wonder why there are so many failures, even on day 1 of testing.

That said, Mercedes were always full of fail...


OTOH because it's an evolution maybe teams get overconfident and take more risks.

The Merc was an electrical problem, so that doesn't sound like a big worry to me.
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Considering these cars are mostly an evolution of designs and parts that were working 3 months ago you wonder why there are so many failures, even on day 1 of testing.

That said, Mercedes were always full of fail...



They are an evolution of a design philosophy but something like 98% of the bits will be new.

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Eva09 wrote:
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Considering these cars are mostly an evolution of designs and parts that were working 3 months ago you wonder why there are so many failures, even on day 1 of testing.

That said, Mercedes were always full of fail...


OTOH because it's an evolution maybe teams get overconfident and take more risks.

The Merc was an electrical problem, so that doesn't sound like a big worry to me.


Hopefully you're right and it's nothing too major, these things can quickly end up being one niggling little problem after another though...fingers crossed they'll sort it.

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Button sets a 1:20.848.
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Considering these cars are mostly an evolution of designs and parts that were working 3 months ago you wonder why there are so many failures, even on day 1 of testing.

That said, Mercedes were always full of fail...

Or you could say that its no surprise that the two most unreliable cars of 2012, McLaren and Mercedes, continue to be unreliable

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I wonder if the fire was anything to do with the new ECU? I hear it has a lot more capabilities for more sensors and the like.

Maybe something new didn't like it.

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A problem in the wiring loom is usually not a big deal, its just a time consuming replacement. Wonder if they will put Nico in the car for a bit tomorrow to make up for lost time today or stick with their plan.

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A problem in the wiring loom is usually not a big deal, its just a time consuming replacement. Wonder if they will put Nico in the car for a bit tomorrow to make up for lost time today or stick with their plan.


Seeing as Nico has driven the W03 I would go with Hamilton to get acclimatised.
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Also, it sounds like Daniel and Paul are pretty anxious for the racing to start :P

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Button sets a 1:20.611, after a big slide costs him half a second (guess).
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Chilton :blush:
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"It's early days here in Jerez, and I have been out on the track to have a look at the cars and how they're behaving. People are running lots of different fuel loads, and that can have a major effect on the handling of the car, but you can look at general characteristics. Like last year, the Lotus looks good. Romain Grosjean is able to keep the front tucked in nicely on the tricky exit of Turn Two, where the track falls away. If a driver misses his braking point, it can be hard in a tricky car to keep it on line, but the Lotus is going well. Mark Webber appeared to be running a lot of fuel in the Red Bull, which looked cumbersome. The Ferrari looked pretty good and vice-free. The car seemed well planted and Felipe Massa looked committed, which is always a good sign. And overall, I'd say the gap between the front of the grid and further back may well have narrowed."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/21312942

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Mercedes, what a joke. Day 1 and their car is breaking down to the point they have to stop for the day. If they are having huge cooling problems yet again, and their bodywork isnt exactly shrink wrapped a la Red Bull, then it doesnt bode well for the season ahead. I'm sorry but that doesn't look good for them at all. It wouldn't look good for any team.

McLaren may have been doing the whole run out of fuel thing but it doesn't look likely given the delay getting Button back out. They could be on for another season of mechanical gremlins.

In other news the Caterham green looks stunning and the Marussia looks incredibly cheap and tacky. Seriously looks like something you'd see on a budget FRenault team.

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"It's early days here in Jerez, and I have been out on the track to have a look at the cars and how they're behaving. People are running lots of different fuel loads, and that can have a major effect on the handling of the car, but you can look at general characteristics. Like last year, the Lotus looks good. Romain Grosjean is able to keep the front tucked in nicely on the tricky exit of Turn Two, where the track falls away. If a driver misses his braking point, it can be hard in a tricky car to keep it on line, but the Lotus is going well. Mark Webber appeared to be running a lot of fuel in the Red Bull, which looked cumbersome. The Ferrari looked pretty good and vice-free. The car seemed well planted and Felipe Massa looked committed, which is always a good sign. And overall, I'd say the gap between the front of the grid and further back may well have narrowed."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/21312942

I hope Anderson is right and the performance gap between the cars has narrowed, it will make for good racing

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It was a wiring fault not cooling Laura.

Fuel pump issue for Button. guess who the supplier is :blush:

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A wiring loom problem isn't usually a cooling issue.

McLaren had a fuel pump failure and did many installation laps upon return. JB has only set one flying lap. Fuel runs should come later in the program.

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Any higlight video links available for those outside the UK?

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Fair enough but any problem that means you stop for the day is serious. Still doesn't look good at the moment.

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By the end of testing all of the cars will have had at least one problem that costs the team many laps. No big deal at this stage.


Harness repair/replacement isn't a serious problem, its just time consuming.

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Looks like Chilton has taken the right rear corner off :uhoh:

I missed quite a bit this morning, but some of us have to get up and rally through the snow to work at 6am.

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Given the lack of testing any loss of an entire day is serious. I think Mercedes would probably agree given the progress they hoped to make.

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Chilton proving he perhaps isn't ready for being team leader just yet. He's in for a rough year.

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Wiring loom can be anything from a short circuit to something chaffing on the wiring loom, the loom could be too tightly coiled/stowed, or could be something as simple as the wrong gauged cable used (although that would be a major gaff so i doubt it) it will have nothing to do with cooling ducts.
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Maybe marussia were waiting to see how Chilton did in testing to see wether to have another rookie or someone with more experience in the other seat based on this i would say someone with experience they cant afford mistakes all season from both drivers.
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Whitmarsh confirmed the McLaren problem was a fuel pump failure. So basically a Mercedes problem. The fuel pump was a new design brought in by Merc.

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Chilton proving he perhaps isn't ready for being team leader just yet. He's in for a rough year.

Lets face it what is anyone going to achieve in a Marussia?

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Chilton proving he perhaps isn't ready for being team leader just yet. He's in for a rough year.

Lets face it what is anyone going to achieve in a Marussia?

If he kept it on the island it'd be a start.

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Marussia with kers could take tenth all it takes is a race with some retirements like last year and if they can pip Caterham in races (they gave them a run for their money without kers last year although off the pace a bit) anything can happen
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Chilton proving he perhaps isn't ready for being team leader just yet. He's in for a rough year.

Lets face it what is anyone going to achieve in a Marussia?

If he kept it on the island it'd be a start.

They're going to be tail end charlies no matter what

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Any one gotten to the bottomof the Sauber debate.

Is Nico out in last years car?

The pics of it being unloaded certainly look like last years

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Its looking like it might have not been Chilton's fault?

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