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Fastest laps - Day 1
01. Button/McLaren - 1:18.861 - 37 Laps
02. Webber/Red Bull - 1:19.709 +0.848 - 73 Laps
03. Grosjean/Lotus - 1:19.796 +0.935 - 54 Laps
04. di Resta/Force India - 1:20.343 +1.482 - 89 Laps
05. Ricciardo/Toro Rosso - 1:20.401 +1.540 - 70 Laps
06. Massa/Ferrari - 1:20.536 +1.675 - 64 Laps
07. Hulkenberg/Sauber - 1:20.699 +1.838 - 79 Laps
08. Rosberg/Mercedes - 1:20.846 +1.985 - 11 Laps
09. Maldonado/Williams - 1:20.864 +2.003 - 84 Laps
10. van der Garde/Caterham - 1:21.915 +3.054 - 64 Laps
11. Chilton/Marussia - 1:24.176 +5.315 - 29 Laps

Fastest laps - Day 2
01. Grosjean/Lotus - 1:18.218 - 95 Laps
02. di Resta/Force India - 1:19.003 +0.785 - 95 Laps
03. Ricciardo/Toro Rosso - 1:19.134 +0.916 - 83 Laps
04. Webber/Red Bull - 1:19.338 +1.120 - 101 Laps
05. Hulkenberg/Sauber - 1:19.502 +1.284 - 99 Laps
06. Hamilton/Mercedes - 1:19.519 +1.301 - 15 Laps
07. Perez/McLaren - 1:19.572 +1.354 - 81 Laps
08. Massa/Ferrari - 1:19.914 +1.696 - 78 Laps
09. Maldonado/Williams - 1:20.693 +2.475 - 71 Laps
10. Rossiter/Force India - 1:21.273 +3.055 - 19 Laps
11. van der Garde/Caterham - 1:21.311 +3.093 - 88 Laps
12. Razia/Marussia - 1:23.537 +5.319 - 31 Laps

Fastest laps - Day 3
01. Massa/Ferrari - 1:17.879 - 85 Laps
02. Rosberg/Mercedes - 1:18.766 +0.887 - 148 Laps
03. Vettel/Red Bull - 1:19.052 +1.173 - 102 Laps
04. Raikkonen/Lotus - 1:19.200 +1.321 - 40 Laps
05. Vergne/Toro Rosso - 1:19.247 +1.368 - 85 Laps
06. Rossiter/Force India - 1:19.303 +1.424 - 42 Laps
07. Button/McLaren - 1:19.603 +1.724 - 83 Laps
08. Gutierrez/Sauber - 1:19.934 +2.055 - 110 Laps
09. Chilton/Marussia - 1:21.269 +3.390 - 78 Laps
10. Bottas/Williams - 1:21.575 +3.696 - 86 Laps
11. Pic/Caterham - 1:22.352 +4.473 - 57 Laps
12. di Resta/Force India - 1:23.729 +5.850 - 7 Laps


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:12 pm 
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Great job from Nico, 148 laps in an F1 car...the fitness these guys have is amazing.

Massa's lap will either be a flash in the pan or very worrying for everyone else.

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Adaemus wrote:
Great job from Nico, 148 laps in an F1 car...the fitness these guys have is amazing.

Massa's lap will either be a flash in the pan or very worrying for everyone else.

The latter I'm sure.
Not a flash in the pan by any means.
The scary thing is that the aero stuff is not on the car at all.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:21 pm 
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Adaemus wrote:
Great job from Nico, 148 laps in an F1 car...the fitness these guys have is amazing.

Massa's lap will either be a flash in the pan or very worrying for everyone else.

If i do 40 laps in a go kart my upper body aches like **** the next day! these guys are robots


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nowhereman wrote:
Adaemus wrote:
Massa's lap will either be a flash in the pan or very worrying for everyone else.

The latter I'm sure.


Or neither as it's only testing.


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fieldstvl wrote:
nowhereman wrote:
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Massa's lap will either be a flash in the pan or very worrying for everyone else.

The latter I'm sure.


Or neither as it's only testing.


They said the same of Brawn...

Need to compare it to last year's testing times really.

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I would be shocked if massa run was not on fumes.
You really need to look at consistent pace over long runs to get reasonable info on pace because then you knowtey are carrying fuel.

Short runs provide way tooany variables


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:31 pm 
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Adaemus wrote:
fieldstvl wrote:
nowhereman wrote:
Adaemus wrote:
Massa's lap will either be a flash in the pan or very worrying for everyone else.

The latter I'm sure.


Or neither as it's only testing.


They said the same of Brawn...

Need to compare it to last year's testing times really.


True, but I think Brawn were the exception rather than the rule.


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fieldstvl wrote:
Adaemus wrote:
fieldstvl wrote:
nowhereman wrote:
Adaemus wrote:
Massa's lap will either be a flash in the pan or very worrying for everyone else.

The latter I'm sure.


Or neither as it's only testing.


They said the same of Brawn...

Need to compare it to last year's testing times really.


True, but I think Brawn were the exception rather than the rule.

And im glad they were that year as i bet on them after 1st test and boom! i won some cash! People say dont read into testing. I did that year and got lucky.


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Definitely, will be interesting to see what their long run pace is like. Lotus still look very quick, though they had problems today.

Important day for Lewis more than almost anyone tomorrow, as he still needs to get to grips with a totally new car, and hasn't been able to get much time on the track so far.

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Does somebody know something about differences between the tyres? How many tenths is between soft and medium and between medium and hard?


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spooky wrote:
And im glad they were that year as i bet on them after 1st test and boom! i won some cash! People say dont read into testing. I did that year and got lucky.


I was so tempted when I saw the initial lap times. I think the odds were something like 100/1. But I believed in the trust it's-only-testing rule, and on that occasion lost out,


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Drivers and teams are getting different data re: delta between compounds, and it will change day-to-day. Tough to say unless you've noted down who is on what tires from when to when and can go back to the lap charts to study. If I had a whole day to do it I would, but too much riding to do. I'm sure a helpful analyst will supply the info in summary after tomorrow.

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And im glad they were that year as i bet on them after 1st test and boom! i won some cash! People say dont read into testing. I did that year and got lucky.



That's exactly it......you got lucky

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Circuito de Jerez, Spain 5th - 7th February 2013
Length: 4.428 km / 2.751 miles


Fastest laps

01. Massa/Ferrari - 1:17.879 (205 km/h)
02. Grosjean/Lotus - 1:18.218 + 0.339
03. Rosberg/Mercedes - 1:18.766 + 0.887
04. Button/McLaren - 1:18.861 + 0.982
05. di Resta/Force India - 1:19.003 + 1.124
06. Vettel/Red Bull - 1:19.052 + 1.173
07. Ricciardo/Toro Rosso - 1:19.134 + 1.255
08. Raikkonen/Lotus - 1:19.200 + 1.321
09. Vergne/Toro Rosso - 1:19.247 + 1.368
10. Rossiter/Force India - 1:19.303 + 1.424
11. Webber/Red Bull - 1:19.338 + 1.459
12. Hulkenberg/Sauber - 1:19.502 + 1.623
13. Hamilton/Mercedes - 1:19.519 + 1.640
14. Perez/McLaren - 1:19.572 + 1.693
15. Gutierrez/Sauber - 1:19.934 + 2.055
16. Maldonado/Williams - 1:20.693 + 2.814
17. Chilton/Marussia - 1:21.269 + 3.390
18. van der Garde/Caterham - 1:21.311 + 3.432
19. Bottas/Williams - 1:21.575 + 3.696
20. Pic/Caterham - 1:22.352 + 4.473
21. Razia/Marussia - 1:23.537 + 5.658

Driver Mileage

01. Massa/Ferrari - 227 Laps
02. di Resta/Force India - 191 Laps
03. Hulkenberg/Sauber - 178 Laps
04. Webber/Red Bull - 174 Laps
05. Rosberg/Mercedes - 159 Laps
06. Maldonado/Williams - 155 Laps
07. Ricciardo/Toro Rosso - 153 Laps
08. van der Garde/Caterham - 152 Laps
09. Grosjean/Lotus - 149 Laps
10. Button/McLaren - 120 Laps
11. Gutierrez/Sauber - 110 Laps
12. Chilton/Marussia - 107 Laps
13. Vettel/Red Bull - 102 Laps
14. Bottas/Williams - 86 Laps
15. Vergne/Toro Rosso - 85 Laps
16. Perez/McLaren - 81 Laps
17. Rossiter/Force India - 61 Laps
18. Pic/Caterham - 57 Laps
19. Raikkonen/Lotus - 40 Laps
20. Razia/Marussia - 31 Laps
21. Hamilton/Mercedes - 15 Laps

Team Mileage

01. Sauber - 288 Laps / 1275km
02. Red Bull - 276 Laps / 1222km
03. Force India - 252 Laps / 1116km
04. Williams - 241 Laps / 1067km
05. Toro Rosso - 238 Laps / 1054km
06. Ferrari - 227 Laps / 1005km
07. Caterham - 209 Laps / 925km
08. McLaren - 201 Laps / 890km
09. Lotus - 189 Laps / 837km
10. Mercedes - 174 Laps / 770km
11. Marussia - 138 Laps / 611km

Engine Mileage

01. Renault - 4051km
02. Ferrari - 3334km
03. Mercedes-Benz - 2776km
04. Cosworth - 611km

Tyre Mileage

Pirelli - 10772km


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If the road was straight Nico could have driven from the circuit gates to Toulouse today...or, in other words, across the whole of Spain. Meaningless but interesting nonetheless!

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Chilton, nice surprise, at least theoretically.

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What was the McLaren issue today - right at the end?


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Drivers and teams are getting different data re: delta between compounds, and it will change day-to-day. Tough to say unless you've noted down who is on what tires from when to when and can go back to the lap charts to study. If I had a whole day to do it I would, but too much riding to do. I'm sure a helpful analyst will supply the info in summary after tomorrow.



Fnarr Fnarr :lol: :lol:

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probably ran out of fuel, intentionally. Its the "in" thing to do at the end of the day.

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So is Massa going to win the WDC?

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Can we keep the pics in the pic thread por favor?

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So is Massa going to win the WDC?


I actually would like Ferrari to give Massa the chance of fighting for the WDC if the car is capable, I know nearly everyone regards Alonso as a fantastic driver (and quite rightly too) but it has been team Alonso for 3 years now, I think it's time they give Massa preferential treatment in the team (or at least after the summer break, up until then it's equal oppertunities like Mclaren do with their drivers, obviously this is based on how the drivers are doing in the championship table), as in 2008 Massa can fight for the championship if he has the car, and there is a slight possibility (after all it's only testing!) that Ferrari have a good car this year.

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Adaemus wrote:
If the road was straight Nico could have driven from the circuit gates to Toulouse today...or, in other words, across the whole of Spain. Meaningless but interesting nonetheless!


Considering the weather in Toulouse and through Pyrenees, he was right doing boring circles in Jerez again and again...

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I actually would like Ferrari to give Massa the chance of fighting for the WDC if the car is capable, I know nearly everyone regards Alonso as a fantastic driver (and quite rightly too) but it has been team Alonso for 3 years now, I think it's time they give Massa preferential treatment in the team


Not going to happen, Santander will make sure of this.
Unless, God forbid it, Alonso has a big accident, 1999-Schumacher-style, which would put him out of the chase for 4-5 races, and then maybe Massa will step up as a title shot replacement. But that's an awful way to make your dreams come true, I'm sure even Massa doesn't want that.
Nope, Massa will be no. 2 at Ferrari and that's it. The only way he'll get front billing is by moving to a midfield squad, as a team leader. Like at Toro Rosso or something.

148 laps for Rosberg, that's like 2 races in 1 day. Granted, a lot of them not on full-speed, but wow...

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So far the McLaren sounds most impressive. The Merc really doesn't look too bad.


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I actually would like Ferrari to give Massa the chance of fighting for the WDC if the car is capable, I know nearly everyone regards Alonso as a fantastic driver (and quite rightly too) but it has been team Alonso for 3 years now, I think it's time they give Massa preferential treatment in the team


Not going to happen, Santander will make sure of this.
Unless, God forbid it, Alonso has a big accident, 1999-Schumacher-style, which would put him out of the chase for 4-5 races, and then maybe Massa will step up as a title shot replacement. But that's an awful way to make your dreams come true, I'm sure even Massa doesn't want that.
Nope, Massa will be no. 2 at Ferrari and that's it. The only way he'll get front billing is by moving to a midfield squad, as a team leader. Like at Toro Rosso or something.

148 laps for Rosberg, that's like 2 races in 1 day. Granted, a lot of them not on full-speed, but wow...


I wouldn't mind them backing Alonso if say after the summer break there was a big difference in points so it makes sense to back the driver with more points, I just don't know they not give equal treatment upto a certain point in the season (such as summer break) and then back one driver, one example say Alonso did have an accident that put him out of the season for a few races (god forbid as I wouldn't want this to happen to anyone) but if they have backed that driver, the driver left would then have preferential treatment but unlikely to win the WDC so they end the season with no WDC or WCC.

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Let's be realistic, they'll back Alonso from day one. Which is why Alonso permitted himself to be so magnanimous and claim he would help Massa in a fight for WDC, should he be in that position - because he knows that's not going to happen. The team will likely start pushing buttons every time Massa would be in front of Alonso, even in Australia, I think.

Accident variant aside (again, God forbid it) Massa's chance would probably be a big string of DNF's for Alonso and only Alonso. But Ferrari have shown more than decent reliability last seasons, so...

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Let's be realistic, they'll back Alonso from day one. Which is why Alonso permitted himself to be so magnanimous and claim he would help Massa in a fight for WDC, should he be in that position - because he knows that's not going to happen. The team will likely start pushing buttons every time Massa would be in front of Alonso, even in Australia, I think.

Accident variant aside (again, God forbid it) Massa's chance would probably be a big string of DNF's for Alonso and only Alonso. But Ferrari have shown more than decent reliability last seasons, so...


I know they will, but what happens if Alonso screws up in Austraila qualifying and Massa gets pole, they would still try and maximise Alonso even though Massa would out score Alonso (obviously unless Massa crashed out or through mechanical problems but as you said the Ferrari was had great reliability), but if this happened at the first five races (which it just wouldn't but is always a possibility) it would make sense to start to back Massa, but Ferrari would still be 100% Alonso which if I'm honest doesn't make complete sense.

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For anyone interested in hearing a bit about the developments on the cars I highly recommend watching Ted's Notebook on the Sky Sports site (free to watch) for today. He's got a bunch of photos taken by Sutton showing some of the new parts of the cars in great detail.

It's not available on the site yet but should be on there soon, it'll be called "Teds Notebook - Day 3" and will be here: http://www1.skysports.com/formula1/video/

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For anyone interested in hearing a bit about the developments on the cars I highly recommend watching Ted's Notebook on the Sky Sports site (free to watch) for today. He's got a bunch of photos taken by Sutton showing some of the new parts of the cars in great detail.

It's not available on the site yet but should be on there soon, it'll be called "Teds Notebook - Day 3" and will be here: http://www1.skysports.com/formula1/video/

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And the winner for the most stupid comment ever made by an F1 driver is..........

Sergio Perez
"You come out of the pitlane and the view is very different, it's like you are in another car"

Sergio, you are mate

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And the winner for the most stupid comment ever made by an F1 driver is..........

Sergio Perez
"You come out of the pitlane and the view is very different, it's like you are in another car"

Sergio, you are mate

hahahaha

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Aaah, yes, today was a good day for science.
Keep us the good work, Sergio.

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MclarenBullet wrote:
And the winner for the most stupid comment ever made by an F1 driver is..........

Sergio Perez
"You come out of the pitlane and the view is very different, it's like you are in another car"

Sergio, you are mate

hahahaha

My exact same thought when I heard it lol. I think he realised a split second after he said it how dumb it sounded. Seemed really nervous in that interview. It's a massive opportunity for him so must be a little nervous.

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Maybe Sergio has been hanging out with Murray Walker

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Maybe Sergio has been hanging out with Murray Walker

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