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so the Ferrari and Mclaren doing a long run together at moment, anyone know what tyres their on ?


I don't know but Perez's laptimes are very consistent. If that's on the soft then we're all buggered.


yeah, as is Alonso's consistent, but 2-3 secs a lap quicker than Perez, that's why i was wondering ?


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so the Ferrari and Mclaren doing a long run together at moment, anyone know what tyres their on ?


I don't know but Perez's laptimes are very consistent. If that's on the soft then we're all buggered.


yeah, as is Alonso's consistent, but 2-3 secs a lap quicker than Perez, that's why i was wondering ?


I'm not sure.

It seems like the drivers are liking to do a fast lap, then a cooldown lap, then another fast lap on the shorter runs. I guess they are all frantically trying to understand the tyres.

Nico might be on a similar run to Alonso as we speak. 1:24.0 first lap.


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If the FIA has to change/update any directive then it's very, very relevant. Williams has found a way around the initial wording in the rules.

yes... but this isn't about the rules at all... it's about a technical directive that was issued by the FIA to prevent teams from building things like cones and channels outside the area defined by the rules... the closest i could find about the wording is:
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"that any exhaust designs that reingest or redirect exhaust flow for principally aerodynamic reasons will not be permitted."


so the rule states where the exhaust has to be and were bodywork must not be... besides that the TD states that teams aren't allowed to reingest or redirect exhaust flow with their exhaust designs...

coughlan is referring to aperture sizes and the need to be one aperture only - so he reckons that, due to the slot - it is still one aperture, which of course is absolutely right.. however it might very well be possible that the FIA declares the design to be redirecting the exhaust flow for aerodynamic reasons, thus being against that damn TD that i couldn't find anywhere since it has been sent out to the teams and not to us...

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Merc still looks pretty hard on it's tyres.

I don't think hiding your pace is the most important thing. The most important thing is to learn how hard you can push the tyres before they give up on you. Might have to set some decent times.


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Eva09 wrote:
Merc still looks pretty hard on it's tyres.

I don't think hiding your pace is the most important thing. The most important thing is to learn how hard you can push the tyres before they give up on you. Might have to set some decent times.

No it doesn't look good at all

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pokerman wrote:
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Merc still looks pretty hard on it's tyres.

I don't think hiding your pace is the most important thing. The most important thing is to learn how hard you can push the tyres before they give up on you. Might have to set some decent times.

No it doesn't look good at all


Having said that it's just started to settle down a bit. Sometimes it's best to wait to the end of the stint. But the McLaren still looks better.


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Anyone knows why Lotus completed only 27 laps?

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Eva09 wrote:
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Merc still looks pretty hard on it's tyres.

I don't think hiding your pace is the most important thing. The most important thing is to learn how hard you can push the tyres before they give up on you. Might have to set some decent times.

No it doesn't look good at all


Having said that it's just started to settle down a bit. Sometimes it's best to wait to the end of the stint. But the McLaren still looks better.

Running a good 4 seconds slower then earlier in the stint though

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Eva09 wrote:
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so the Ferrari and Mclaren doing a long run together at moment, anyone know what tyres their on ?


I don't know but Perez's laptimes are very consistent. If that's on the soft then we're all buggered.


yeah, as is Alonso's consistent, but 2-3 secs a lap quicker than Perez, that's why i was wondering ?


I'm not sure.

It seems like the drivers are liking to do a fast lap, then a cooldown lap, then another fast lap on the shorter runs. I guess they are all frantically trying to understand the tyres.

Nico might be on a similar run to Alonso as we speak. 1:24.0 first lap.


Mc Laren was on mediums, not sure about Ferrari, we don´t know the fuel load, so the time difference doesn´t really tell much


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I believe other than perhaps a one off go for a fast lap, most teams are really not pushing today. Testing is like a science experiment. It's no good unless you have a control sample. Therefore I expect most teams are trying a few different things to get some decent times but not pushing 100%. Tomorrow I hope will be the day that some new parts are thrown at the car and times start to tumble.

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Alonso racking up laps, 86 till now


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when was it that the testing would be broadcasted?

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when was it that the testing would be broadcasted?

3rd test next week I believe.


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when was it that the testing would be broadcasted?

3rd test next week I believe.

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FIA tells Williams and Caterham their controversial exhaust designs are illegal http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/21508634


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Still 45 minutes available. Testing mainly with hard compound


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Rosberg down to 1m22.879s on hards


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Rosberg down to 1m22.879s on hards

I think that was a typo he did a 1,23,8.


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amirb wrote:
Rosberg down to 1m22.879s on hards

i think you mean 1 23.879


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Bit of news on the exhaust side of things - Williams and Caterham have had it confirmed from the FIA - both of their exhausts are illegal: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/21508634

Edit: oops, looks like someone beet me to it :P

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A2jdl wrote:
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Rosberg down to 1m22.879s on hards

i think you mean 1 23.879


1:22.616 from rosberg

1:22.623 from raikkonen now


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Rosberg goes fastest with a 1,22.6


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Bit of news on the exhaust side of things - Williams and Caterham have had it confirmed from the FIA - both of their exhausts are illegal: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/21508634

Edit: oops, looks like someone beet me to it :P

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both rosberg and raikkonen set fastest times on new mediums sets


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rife_hypocricy wrote:
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Rosberg down to 1m22.879s on hards

i think you mean 1 23.879


1:22.616 from rosberg

1:22.623 from raikkonen now

that will pee off Vettel :D


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Does this men there still may be a glimmer of hope for Mr Hamilton's season ..... or is it still "... you cnt tell anything fro practice sessions


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Vettel's done a very quick time.

Would you really expect anything else.


Nah, that is still not the pace we are going to see. Not even close.
Almost entire paddock to go quicker than that time is what I expect.
Last year it was 1:20.xxx IIRC. So this year they should at least match or surpass that here.


First Barcelona test in 2012: fastest time on the first day: 1:23.265. Fastest time of the four days: 1:22.312.

It must have been in 2nd test then because I am sure there was 1:20:xxx from someone at Barcelona last year. Too tired to dig that up right now.
Anyway, this year there are minimal rule changes. Teams last year were really struggling with tyres and loss of downforce. With rules remaining the same, and experience of whole 1 year of development, all of them will in theory go quicker. We already are seeing cars running faster on Day 1 today than Day 1 last year if the time you stated are correct. So yeah, I expect them to go lot quicker overall.


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Does this men there still may be a glimmer of hope for Mr Hamilton's season ..... or is it still "... you cnt tell anything fro practice sessions

One thing we can tell is that the tyre deg on the Mercedes still looks poor so i wouldn't be getting up your hopes as yet

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Does this men there still may be a glimmer of hope for Mr Hamilton's season ..... or is it still "... you cnt tell anything fro practice sessions


There might be hope, however there might be no hope too...

Where's Ashley?


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Circuit de Catalunya 19th February 2013
4.655km / 2.892 miles

Fastest laptimes day 1

1. Rosberg / Mercedes - 1:22.616 - 54 Laps
2. Raikkonen / Lotus - 1:22.623 +0.007 - 44
3. Alonso / Ferrari - 1:22.952 +0.336 - 110
4. Vettel / Red Bull - 1:22.965 +0.349 - 66
5. Maldonado / Williams - 1:23.733 +1.117 - 86
6. Ricciardo / Toro Rosso - 1:23.884 +1.268 - 73
7. Perez / McLaren - 1:24.124 +1.508 - 77
8. di Resta / Force India - 1:24.144 +1.528 - 82
9. Guiterrez / Sauber - 1:25.124 +2.508 - 68
10. Chilton / Marussia - 1:26.747 +4.141 - 65
11. Pic / Caterham - 1:27.534 +4.918 - 49


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Does this men there still may be a glimmer of hope for Mr Hamilton's season ..... or is it still "... you cnt tell anything fro practice sessions

We dont know yet. They only did 1 decent long run and just 54 laps today. The long run pace of them and McLaren looks similar. Nobody else did 15 or so lap run. Ferrari came close with 12 lap runs and was consistently quicker. But it might be down to fuel weight. So nah, we will really know on 3rd or 4th day when many will do long runs.


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RickM wrote:
Bit of news on the exhaust side of things - Williams and Caterham have had it confirmed from the FIA - both of their exhausts are illegal: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/21508634


:frown:
That could be a big blow to Williams if they've really worked hard on it?

I'm really hoping they can be the dark horses this year


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funkymonkey wrote:
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Does this men there still may be a glimmer of hope for Mr Hamilton's season ..... or is it still "... you cnt tell anything fro practice sessions

We dont know yet. They only did 1 decent long run and just 54 laps today. The long run pace of them and McLaren looks similar. Nobody else did 15 or so lap run. Ferrari came close with 12 lap runs and was consistently quicker. But it might be down to fuel weight. So nah, we will really know on 3rd or 4th day when many will do long runs.



Thanks for the insight, fingers crossed forthe end of the week. Shame about William's exhaust, I was hoping for more of the middle order teams to pressurise the top three


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Circuit de Catalunya 19th February 2013
4.655km / 2.892 miles

Driver lapery (km)

1. Rosberg / Mercedes - 54 Laps - 251km
2. Raikkonen / Lotus - 44 - 205
3. Alonso / Ferrari - 110 - 512
4. Vettel / Red Bull - 66 - 307
5. Maldonado / Williams - 86 - 400
6. Ricciardo / Toro Rosso - 73 - 340
7. Perez / McLaren - 77 - 358
8. di Resta / Force India - 82 - 382
9. Guiterrez / Sauber - 68 - 317
10. Chilton / Marussia - 65 - 303
11. Pic / Caterham - 49 - 228

Tyre mileage

774 Laps
3603km / 2238miles


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Does this men there still may be a glimmer of hope for Mr Hamilton's season ..... or is it still "... you cnt tell anything fro practice sessions


There might be hope, however there might be no hope too...

Where's Ashley?

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Not quite as much hype as practice one, but I'm happier to see more reliability out of the pack. Lotus continues to look strong, practice or no.


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funkymonkey wrote:
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Vettel's done a very quick time.

Would you really expect anything else.


Nah, that is still not the pace we are going to see. Not even close.
Almost entire paddock to go quicker than that time is what I expect.
Last year it was 1:20.xxx IIRC. So this year they should at least match or surpass that here.


First Barcelona test in 2012: fastest time on the first day: 1:23.265. Fastest time of the four days: 1:22.312.

It must have been in 2nd test then because I am sure there was 1:20:xxx from someone at Barcelona last year. Too tired to dig that up right now.
Anyway, this year there are minimal rule changes. Teams last year were really struggling with tyres and loss of downforce. With rules remaining the same, and experience of whole 1 year of development, all of them will in theory go quicker. We already are seeing cars running faster on Day 1 today than Day 1 last year if the time you stated are correct. So yeah, I expect them to go lot quicker overall.


NOPE - nowhere near. Fastest last year was Kimi with a 1:22.0

Test 1 @ Barcelona 2012
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/ ... 13050.html
Fastest time of all 4 days = Kobayashi - 1:22.312

Test 2 @ Barcelona 2012
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/ ... 13067.html
Fastest time of all 4 days = Raikkonen - 1:22.030

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