planetf1.com

It is currently Thu Aug 21, 2014 9:59 pm

All times are UTC




Post new topic Reply to topic

Who would you like to see at Lotus?
Grosjean 20%  20%  [ 23 ]
Kobayashi 45%  45%  [ 52 ]
Kovalainen 22%  22%  [ 25 ]
Someone else 14%  14%  [ 16 ]
Total votes : 116
Author Message
PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:27 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jun 24, 2008 4:07 pm
Posts: 5299
I would like to change RoGro. Romain with his pace have more potential. Anyone remember him at Valencia? Koba despite his reputation on this forum is just solid driver. If someone can manage Romain career properly, he may be another F1 star.

_________________
..


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:29 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:52 am
Posts: 855
jammin78 wrote:
Jomox wrote:
Laura23 wrote:
RoGro. He has raw speed, with consistency he'll win races.




Quite delusional. He has good qualifying pace sometimes, in the races in 2012 he has been slower on race pace than Kimi 90% of the time, and when he was quicker it was due to Kimi's issues with tyres etc. This raw speed people talk about with Romain is just bull, because as stated on race pace he's slower than Kimi 90% of the time, and usually messes it up anyway, so it all counts for nothing.

Romain is an awful driver, just because hes good at qualifying sometimes does not mean he will win races with consistency. He just has no race craft and spacial awareness in an F1 car, all he does is cost Lotus millions in repair bills and championship standing, as well as giving the team a bad image. He's had plenty of chances and all he's shown is he's not F1 material, far from it.


The incidents, race pace and championship standing don't lie with Romain, they give a good reflection of his abilities, not F1.

They're both excellent drivers, Kimi is just that much better. He's a world champion, he SHOULD be defeating Grosjean. When they both finished a race, this is the result:

China - Romain 6, Kimi 14
Bahrain - Kimi 2, Romain 3
Spain - Kimi 3, Romain 4
Canada - Romain 2, Kimi 8
GB - Kimi 5, Romain 6
Germany - Kimi 3, Romain 18
Hungary - Kimi 2, Romain 3
Singapore - Kimi 6, Romain 7
Korea - Kimi 5, Romain 7
India - Kimi 7, Romain 9
US - Kimi 6, Romain 7

I'd hardly say Romain's done that bad when he's not forgetting how to do first laps. Kimi got his act together later in the season and did what a team leader should do, and led Romain home, but Romain was close behind in those races to be fair.


I could cherry pick stats also that go against him, but I rather keep things simple and look at the reality of the season not just some results. The incidents, race pace and championship standing don't lie with Romain, they give a good reflection of his abilities, and he's cost Lotus dearly this season, millions in $, team image and championship standing.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:33 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Oct 07, 2012 4:34 pm
Posts: 709
dizlexik wrote:
I would like to change RoGro. Romain with his pace have more potential. Anyone remember him at Valencia? Koba despite his reputation on this forum is just solid driver. If someone can manage Romain career properly, he may be another F1 star.


Maybe he's still not ready for a good car?

I say he takes his 5 million from Total and gets a seat at Marrussia or something then convince the big guys to hire him


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:34 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:25 pm
Posts: 1178
Location: Croatia
I would be happy with Senna or RoGro alongside Raikkonen

_________________
H&H


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:36 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:09 am
Posts: 316
tmzxaar wrote:
I would be happy with Senna or RoGro alongside Raikkonen


Bruno?? no please...he's pure crap


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:36 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed May 23, 2012 1:29 pm
Posts: 1362
Location: Wrexham, UK
Jomox wrote:
jammin78 wrote:
Jomox wrote:
Laura23 wrote:
RoGro. He has raw speed, with consistency he'll win races.




Quite delusional. He has good qualifying pace sometimes, in the races in 2012 he has been slower on race pace than Kimi 90% of the time, and when he was quicker it was due to Kimi's issues with tyres etc. This raw speed people talk about with Romain is just bull, because as stated on race pace he's slower than Kimi 90% of the time, and usually messes it up anyway, so it all counts for nothing.

Romain is an awful driver, just because hes good at qualifying sometimes does not mean he will win races with consistency. He just has no race craft and spacial awareness in an F1 car, all he does is cost Lotus millions in repair bills and championship standing, as well as giving the team a bad image. He's had plenty of chances and all he's shown is he's not F1 material, far from it.


The incidents, race pace and championship standing don't lie with Romain, they give a good reflection of his abilities, not F1.

They're both excellent drivers, Kimi is just that much better. He's a world champion, he SHOULD be defeating Grosjean. When they both finished a race, this is the result:

China - Romain 6, Kimi 14
Bahrain - Kimi 2, Romain 3
Spain - Kimi 3, Romain 4
Canada - Romain 2, Kimi 8
GB - Kimi 5, Romain 6
Germany - Kimi 3, Romain 18
Hungary - Kimi 2, Romain 3
Singapore - Kimi 6, Romain 7
Korea - Kimi 5, Romain 7
India - Kimi 7, Romain 9
US - Kimi 6, Romain 7

I'd hardly say Romain's done that bad when he's not forgetting how to do first laps. Kimi got his act together later in the season and did what a team leader should do, and led Romain home, but Romain was close behind in those races to be fair.


I could cherry pick stats also that go against him, but I rather keep things simple and look at the reality of the season not just some results. The incidents, race pace and championship standing don't lie with Romain, they give a good reflection of his abilities, and he's cost Lotus dearly this season, millions in $, team image and championship standing.


So 11 out of 19 races for Romain is cherry picking? The several races where he did retire, through his fault or not, what position was he when he retired? Fighting at the front in Valencia, midfield in Abu Dhabi but going backwards quite fast, midfield in Brazil, up front in Australia, Malaysia, mid of the pack in Spa. When he's done a race distance, or most of a race distance, his pace has been excellent, except Abu Dhabi. Not quite as good as Kimi, but still hardly terrible. The championship standings put him in the top ten. Some of his incidents are a bit daft/reckless yes, but some of them are hardly criminal. If they're criminal, Alonso, Perez, Vettel, Hamilton, Massa and Schumacher especially need to be looked at. If you want to concentrate your distaste for Romain purely on his incidents, I'll concentrate my support for him on the 11 races he finished and races rather well in.

_________________
"You are the universe expressing itself as a Human for a little while..."


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:46 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:52 am
Posts: 855
You cant just look at when they both finished as an excuse. The standings and incidents don't lie, they are a true reflection, stop making excuses for a driver who should not be in F1, his driving most of the time is awful and he's taken championship contenders with him. Even after a race ban he was straight back into incidents. Your just clutching on straw's for a driver who's been god awful this season.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:51 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed May 23, 2012 1:29 pm
Posts: 1362
Location: Wrexham, UK
Jomox wrote:
You cant just look at when they both finished as an excuse. The standings and incidents don't lie, they are a true reflection, stop making excuses for a driver who should not be in F1, his driving most of the time is awful and he's taken championship contenders with him. Even after a race ban he was straight back into incidents. Your just clutching on straw's for a driver who's been god awful this season.


I still fail to see the 'god awful' when he's shown the pace and finished only a place or two behind Kimi in many races. 10 points finishes, 6 of those 1 place behind Kimi, two of them ahead of the Iceman, 3 podiums, handled his tyres brilliantly, and a multitude of crashes to taint his name. How is that god awful, just because of the crashes? If he'd done it on purpose like Maldonado then yes, but he hasn't.

_________________
"You are the universe expressing itself as a Human for a little while..."


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:52 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Oct 07, 2012 4:34 pm
Posts: 709
NvrDieYoung wrote:
tmzxaar wrote:
I would be happy with Senna or RoGro alongside Raikkonen


Bruno?? no please...he's pure crap


Thats too harsh, but so true as well.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:53 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed May 23, 2012 1:29 pm
Posts: 1362
Location: Wrexham, UK
F1nsider wrote:
NvrDieYoung wrote:
tmzxaar wrote:
I would be happy with Senna or RoGro alongside Raikkonen


Bruno?? no please...he's pure crap


Thats too harsh, but so true as well.

:lol: Poor Bruno

_________________
"You are the universe expressing itself as a Human for a little while..."


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:54 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:21 pm
Posts: 320
I would love to see Kamui get the seat. However looking at it objectively, Grosjean has performed very well when he hasn't been crashing in to people.

I suppose it all depends on whether Lotus are prepared to give him another chance. They know he is capable and has the pace to do well. I don't think anyone can say presently who would be faster between him and Kamui and I'm sure Lotus are aware that Kamui is a driver who is not risk averse and sometimes gets himself in to trouble (though with Schumacher retiring next year, he'll be losing he favourite crashing buddy, so that can only be a good thing for him).

As for Kovalinen, though he's usually had a slight edge in qualifying, there's been very little to choose between him and Petrov. May just be a result of the teams overall pace and their position on the grid but it certainly wasn't decisive between them.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:59 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:14 pm
Posts: 2460
I like Kobayashi and Romain has great potential. I would like to see them get the seats at Force India and Lotus.

Romain has not been as much slower than Kimi in the races as people say. He does tend to crash into other cars, and always seems to spin off when it's a wet track.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:13 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jun 24, 2008 4:07 pm
Posts: 5299
F1nsider wrote:
dizlexik wrote:
I would like to change RoGro. Romain with his pace have more potential. Anyone remember him at Valencia? Koba despite his reputation on this forum is just solid driver. If someone can manage Romain career properly, he may be another F1 star.


Maybe he's still not ready for a good car?

I say he takes his 5 million from Total and gets a seat at Marrussia or something then convince the big guys to hire him

How can he learn without racing? I belive the issue with sponsorship and Total is that Total may just give up sponsoring this team if there is no French driver. They also may still have some special deals with Renault. Beside that you don't just let go such crazy, but fast driver go. He did well against Kimi in many races. There are many examples of wasted talents in sport, but also many examples of sportsman who settled down and finally achieved success. I know that Koba is a nice likeable person, but his career stalled despite many seasons in F1.

_________________
..


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:18 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:14 pm
Posts: 2460
dizlexik wrote:
F1nsider wrote:
dizlexik wrote:
I would like to change RoGro. Romain with his pace have more potential. Anyone remember him at Valencia? Koba despite his reputation on this forum is just solid driver. If someone can manage Romain career properly, he may be another F1 star.


Maybe he's still not ready for a good car?

I say he takes his 5 million from Total and gets a seat at Marrussia or something then convince the big guys to hire him

How can he learn without racing? I belive the issue with sponsorship and Total is that Total may just give up sponsoring this team if there is no French driver. They also may still have some special deals with Renault. Beside that you don't just let go such crazy, but fast driver go. He did well against Kimi in many races. There are many examples of wasted talents in sport, but also many examples of sportsman who settled down and finally achieved success. I know that Koba is a nice likeable person, but his career stalled despite many seasons in F1.


Perhaps RoGro should stay at Lotus and Koba should go to Force India then.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:19 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed May 23, 2012 1:29 pm
Posts: 1362
Location: Wrexham, UK
Eva09 wrote:
dizlexik wrote:
F1nsider wrote:
dizlexik wrote:
I would like to change RoGro. Romain with his pace have more potential. Anyone remember him at Valencia? Koba despite his reputation on this forum is just solid driver. If someone can manage Romain career properly, he may be another F1 star.


Maybe he's still not ready for a good car?

I say he takes his 5 million from Total and gets a seat at Marrussia or something then convince the big guys to hire him

How can he learn without racing? I belive the issue with sponsorship and Total is that Total may just give up sponsoring this team if there is no French driver. They also may still have some special deals with Renault. Beside that you don't just let go such crazy, but fast driver go. He did well against Kimi in many races. There are many examples of wasted talents in sport, but also many examples of sportsman who settled down and finally achieved success. I know that Koba is a nice likeable person, but his career stalled despite many seasons in F1.


Perhaps RoGro should stay at Lotus and Koba should go to Force India then.

This, I'd be happy with, and am hoping for!

_________________
"You are the universe expressing itself as a Human for a little while..."


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:20 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:33 am
Posts: 2119
Ricciardo, because I think he might match or even be quicker than Kimi

_________________
2013 PF1 Pick 10 Competition:
- 4 podiums
- 2013 Rookie of the Year
- 2014 Championship leader (post-Austria)


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:23 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jun 24, 2008 4:07 pm
Posts: 5299
Eva09 wrote:
dizlexik wrote:
F1nsider wrote:
dizlexik wrote:
I would like to change RoGro. Romain with his pace have more potential. Anyone remember him at Valencia? Koba despite his reputation on this forum is just solid driver. If someone can manage Romain career properly, he may be another F1 star.


Maybe he's still not ready for a good car?

I say he takes his 5 million from Total and gets a seat at Marrussia or something then convince the big guys to hire him

How can he learn without racing? I belive the issue with sponsorship and Total is that Total may just give up sponsoring this team if there is no French driver. They also may still have some special deals with Renault. Beside that you don't just let go such crazy, but fast driver go. He did well against Kimi in many races. There are many examples of wasted talents in sport, but also many examples of sportsman who settled down and finally achieved success. I know that Koba is a nice likeable person, but his career stalled despite many seasons in F1.


Perhaps RoGro should stay at Lotus and Koba should go to Force India then.

Maybe :D

_________________
..


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:32 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Oct 07, 2012 4:34 pm
Posts: 709
dizlexik wrote:
F1nsider wrote:
dizlexik wrote:
I would like to change RoGro. Romain with his pace have more potential. Anyone remember him at Valencia? Koba despite his reputation on this forum is just solid driver. If someone can manage Romain career properly, he may be another F1 star.


Maybe he's still not ready for a good car?

I say he takes his 5 million from Total and gets a seat at Marrussia or something then convince the big guys to hire him

How can he learn without racing? I belive the issue with sponsorship and Total is that Total may just give up sponsoring this team if there is no French driver. They also may still have some special deals with Renault. Beside that you don't just let go such crazy, but fast driver go. He did well against Kimi in many races. There are many examples of wasted talents in sport, but also many examples of sportsman who settled down and finally achieved success. I know that Koba is a nice likeable person, but his career stalled despite many seasons in F1.


He'd at least learn how to make way without crashing lol


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:55 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 06, 2006 12:07 pm
Posts: 5210
Jomox wrote:
Laura23 wrote:
RoGro. He has raw speed, with consistency he'll win races.




Quite delusional. He has good qualifying pace sometimes, in the races in 2012 he has been slower on race pace than Kimi 90% of the time, and when he was quicker it was due to Kimi's issues with tyres etc. This raw speed people talk about with Romain is just bull, because as stated on race pace he's slower than Kimi 90% of the time, and usually messes it up anyway, so it all counts for nothing.

Romain is an awful driver, just because hes good at qualifying sometimes does not mean he will win races with consistency. He just has no race craft and spacial awareness in an F1 car, all he does is cost Lotus millions in repair bills and championship standing, as well as giving the team a bad image. He's had plenty of chances and all he's shown is he's not F1 material, far from it.


The incidents, race pace and championship standing don't lie with Romain, they give a good reflection of his abilities, not F1.


I'm sorry but WTF is wrong with people these days when you have to start the reply to a perfectly normal comment with "Quite delusional"?

_________________
Räikkönen - Vettel - Rosberg - Bottas


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:27 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:52 pm
Posts: 268
Location: Edinburgh
Kobayashi.

Plus his funding website now has just over £963k... so his chances of getting the seat will be increasing.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:53 pm 
Online
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 25, 2009 3:56 am
Posts: 7234
Location: London
Covalent wrote:
Jomox wrote:
Laura23 wrote:
RoGro. He has raw speed, with consistency he'll win races.




Quite delusional. He has good qualifying pace sometimes, in the races in 2012 he has been slower on race pace than Kimi 90% of the time, and when he was quicker it was due to Kimi's issues with tyres etc. This raw speed people talk about with Romain is just bull, because as stated on race pace he's slower than Kimi 90% of the time, and usually messes it up anyway, so it all counts for nothing.

Romain is an awful driver, just because hes good at qualifying sometimes does not mean he will win races with consistency. He just has no race craft and spacial awareness in an F1 car, all he does is cost Lotus millions in repair bills and championship standing, as well as giving the team a bad image. He's had plenty of chances and all he's shown is he's not F1 material, far from it.


The incidents, race pace and championship standing don't lie with Romain, they give a good reflection of his abilities, not F1.


I'm sorry but WTF is wrong with people these days when you have to start the reply to a perfectly normal comment with "Quite delusional"?

I'm just going to ignore them in this thread now Covelent. They clearly have a major problem with RoGro for some reason, anyone with a shred of sense knows he isn't an awful driver. Just a careless one and if he can rid himself of that carelessness then he'll be a very good driver indeed.

_________________
1994 1995 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 Get well soon Schumi.

No one call anyone a moo-pickle...


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:17 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:14 pm
Posts: 2460
Covalent wrote:
Jomox wrote:
Laura23 wrote:
RoGro. He has raw speed, with consistency he'll win races.




Quite delusional. He has good qualifying pace sometimes, in the races in 2012 he has been slower on race pace than Kimi 90% of the time, and when he was quicker it was due to Kimi's issues with tyres etc. This raw speed people talk about with Romain is just bull, because as stated on race pace he's slower than Kimi 90% of the time, and usually messes it up anyway, so it all counts for nothing.

Romain is an awful driver, just because hes good at qualifying sometimes does not mean he will win races with consistency. He just has no race craft and spacial awareness in an F1 car, all he does is cost Lotus millions in repair bills and championship standing, as well as giving the team a bad image. He's had plenty of chances and all he's shown is he's not F1 material, far from it.


The incidents, race pace and championship standing don't lie with Romain, they give a good reflection of his abilities, not F1.


I'm sorry but WTF is wrong with people these days when you have to start the reply to a perfectly normal comment with "Quite delusional"?


Quite delusional.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:52 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:38 pm
Posts: 1979
purchville wrote:
Ricciardo, because I think he might match or even be quicker than Kimi


No not Ricciardo. He is a Red Bull product. He is destined to go to RBR and show that Vettel guy who is the boss.....like a boss.

_________________
Image
Signature created by Adaemus


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 1:06 am 
Offline

Joined: Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:32 am
Posts: 1637
jammin78 wrote:
Jomox wrote:
You cant just look at when they both finished as an excuse. The standings and incidents don't lie, they are a true reflection, stop making excuses for a driver who should not be in F1, his driving most of the time is awful and he's taken championship contenders with him. Even after a race ban he was straight back into incidents. Your just clutching on straw's for a driver who's been god awful this season.


I still fail to see the 'god awful' when he's shown the pace and finished only a place or two behind Kimi in many races. 10 points finishes, 6 of those 1 place behind Kimi, two of them ahead of the Iceman, 3 podiums, handled his tyres brilliantly, and a multitude of crashes to taint his name. How is that god awful, just because of the crashes? If he'd done it on purpose like Maldonado then yes, but he hasn't.


Ironically, that is the problem. Maldonado has been able to clean up his driving in the latter part of the season by calming down. Grosjean's errors stem from something fundamental to his general racecraft rather than his temper. He's not god awful at all, his race pace is very good, even if he is not quite as quick as Kimi, there is no disgrace in that. He just needs to keep it out of the barriers.
Valencia would probably have been his if it wasn't for the alternator, it demonstrated what he is capable of, clean and close overtaking and fast race pace. He just needs to keep doing it.

_________________
The underlying thing about all this,no matter how bright you are,no matter how logical one is or how much money one has,you have to be a completely stupid optimist...I believe there are about 3 million competition licences worldwide. -Perry McCarthy


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 1:51 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:02 am
Posts: 136
Romain has the speed but he can't race, Kobayashi probably doesnt have quite the speed (but then nor does Kimi) but is more consistant and a far better racing driver. Kobayashi in a lotus will be make or break as to whether he has what it takes, he certaintly has showed it at times that he can be brilliant.

Romain has only shown that he can drive a car fast on a single lap, he has never shown any particularly brilliant racing skills or consistant pace, and that's why he got slaughtered by Kimi.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic

All times are UTC


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Alienturnedhuman, cucoloco, ElevenTenths, Laura23, Mod Silver, P-F1 Mod, Robbo-92, Sappher and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group