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Who would you like to see?
Volkswagen under Bugatti brand 4%  4%  [ 3 ]
Volkswagen under Porsche brand 20%  20%  [ 14 ]
Volkswagen under Lamborghini brand 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Aston Martin run by Prodrive 18%  18%  [ 13 ]
Jaguar 4%  4%  [ 3 ]
Honda 11%  11%  [ 8 ]
Toyota 3%  3%  [ 2 ]
BMW 3%  3%  [ 2 ]
A new team using a historic name like Brabham or Ligier 6%  6%  [ 4 ]
A team from lower formulas like Carlin or Arden 11%  11%  [ 8 ]
Other 4%  4%  [ 3 ]
No 12th team on the grid - less traffic 14%  14%  [ 10 ]
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 Post subject: 12th team on the grid
PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:16 pm 
Now that HRT has left us there is an open spot on the grid. We probably won't see a 12th team next year since there isn't much time for a new team to be ready for Melbourne but the FIA might try to fill in the spot for 2014. So who would you like to see in that last spot?

My choice would have to be Aston Martin.

I know they have been associated mostly with GT racing but who wouldn't want to see a Gulf livery Aston on the grid? :-P


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I went with Volkswagen under Bugatti brand.

Would like to see Honda back in as an engine supplier too.


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A team from the lower formulae for me. There needs to be new blood coming into the sport to keep it going, rehashing of old names and manufacturers entering will never be good for it.


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I wish HRT were back. At least the people involved with the team are back with nice little funding. Not too much but not too little like before. Those people deserve another chance. Dont care about the name. Never did. But those were some really hard working people who got 2 cars ready to qualify and race with that budget.


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Volkswagen under Skoda brand, how cool would it be to see a Skoda beat a Ferrari (OK more likely a Williams but still...)!


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I would like two new teams of any description. More the merrier as far as I'm concerned. Ideally I would like about 16 teams with pre-qualifying.


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Voted VW/Porsche.

What, are you afraid of Mercedes????????? They can't seem to design a hat.

Real shame something could not have worked out for HRT employees. Price must have been too high,
certainly some chinese/arab interest(money) is out there.

I think there would be a line forming for the 13th team if F1 could formulate realistic spending caps.

Maybe the post-BE era will see some major players return.

And, Joy of Joys, we are at the dawn of that era.


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mikeyg123 wrote:
I would like two new teams of any description. More the merrier as far as I'm concerned. Ideally I would like about 16 teams with pre-qualifying.

Same.

I don't get the argument that too many teams makes it harder for the front runners to pass the back markers. It's not meant to be easy for anyone.
Nearly half the grid get points now for finishing, there should be more competition.

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IXIAN wrote:
Voted VW/Porsche.

What, are you afraid of Mercedes????????? They can't seem to design a hat.

Real shame something could not have worked out for HRT employees. Price must have been too high,
certainly some chinese/arab interest(money) is out there.

I think there would be a line forming for the 13th team if F1 could formulate realistic spending caps.

Maybe the post-BE era will see some major players return.

And, Joy of Joys, we are at the dawn of that era.


Don't think we will get one unfortunately. Will new regs in 2014 make it easier or harder to establish a new team? I don't know. It might be harder because you can't apply existing ideas already on the grid so much. The ban on refuelling didn't seem to help much in 2010.


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Why so many VW options? They are never going to be in F1.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:00 pm 
I think VW are a bit scared of dragging one of it's top brands though the mud like Merc has the past three years. I don't believe they'll go for it unless they're somehow certain they'll be fighting at the front...


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Porsche or Honda, would to have them back on the grid


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Prodrive or some other smaller outfit. Big name car manufacturers never work out...Ferrari developed their road car platform to help their F1 program, not the other way round!

We need more young blood (team-wise) in the sport, it's been a bit too incestuous over the last couple of decades with the same people just going from team to team, nobody new coming in with fresh ideas.

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With 22 drivers, I'm curious as to how qualifying will play out next season. Will they change the amount of drivers that find themselves in the 'drop zone' in Q1?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:24 pm 
Misinformed wrote:
With 22 drivers, I'm curious as to how qualifying will play out next season. Will they change the amount of drivers that find themselves in the 'drop zone' in Q1?


they might go for a 6-6-10 system or perhaps a 7-7-8. I think the second one seems more interesting to me.


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The sporting regs from FIA are wrote to deal with 26 drivers, with 8 being eliminated in each session to leave 10 in the shoot out. With 24 drivers it was 7-7-10, so I would presume with 22 it would be 6-6-10. This would mean there is really 2 elimination spots in Q1 if the now two backmarkers don't up their game. This was the same system used in 2008 before SA dropped out.


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I hope Prost can make a return, and with previous experiences in mind, make a success.

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dizlexik wrote:
Why so many VW options? They are never going to be in F1.


My thoughts too. They have used F1 as a publicity point several times and nothing has come of it, They supposedly even influenced the new regs, but still no entry.

I would be happy not to see VW anywhere near F1. Come back Honda, and do a good job this time.

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If it means another get in the way back-marker, I say leave the spot open. The last thing F1 needs is another underfunded, incapable team cluttering up the grid.

As for reviving some old classic name such as Volks with Bugatti, I greatly dislike the idea. It is like the Lotus (or both of them) implying that they are the real Chapman Lotus and acting as though that great marque's accomplishments are part of their heritage. Baloney, you can't buy a great historical heritage.

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Misinformed wrote:
With 22 drivers, I'm curious as to how qualifying will play out next season. Will they change the amount of drivers that find themselves in the 'drop zone' in Q1?

Already happened before in 2006.
It was 6-6-10

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Marussia was originally Manor, a successful Formula Renault team Räikkönen and Hamilton drove for. A lower category team can make it but they need solid investors and the right partnerships. You can't just give someone like Arden and Prodrive a bunch of money and expect them to deliver. It takes time and resources to build a proper foundation for success.


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how bout an American team?


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I think that the FIA should open up bidding for the two clear spots there are in f1 right now, although it woud have to be done properly, and based on objectivity.

I personally don't really mind whether its a big name like VW or Honda, or a smaller team like a ProDrive...just as long as its competitive. The financial environment has not made it easy for the new teams to achieve competitiveness.


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dont care what the team is, i just want another top tier team on the grid like RBR/Ferrari/Mclaren.

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how bout vw in the form of audi ;)


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Khazrak134 wrote:
how bout an American team?


My thoughts exactly. Pull Rossi from Caterham and get Connor Daly more involved with F1 to stay true to it's name. Hopefully it could form an average team on par with FI, Williams, and Toro Rosso. But alas...


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Would Koenigsegg ever put together an F1 operation?


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