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Montezemolo: "Ecclestone? You have to show respect for your elders, especially when they get to that stage in which they are no longer in control of what they say. However, old age is clearly incompatible with certain roles and responsibilities".

http://english.gazzetta.it/Motor_sports ... 2527.shtml

Both should shut up!

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Montezemolo isn't exactly a youngster either...

Oh, and Bernie was right this time...

"Say one thing and do the exact opposite while saying that." -Classy Luca, 65 years young.

Pot calling the kettle black?

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"OHO!-magazine number 46/2006: - I read somewhere that I drive with the luck of a drunk."

Yes, I suppose Luca should have just let Bernie shoot off his mouth and let it go, it would have been the politically right thing to do. And... if he was going to respond, he certainly could have been more "diplomatic"... but that has not been his "style" in recent years.

I don't blame Luca for responding the weasel's comments, but wish he had done it more professionally.

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When push comes to shove, Monty prefers to run with the money. When has he ever really stood up to Bernie? I'm talking about the changes he wants in F1, not the Vettel incident.

Personal insults. Classy.

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Probably been reading the this forum, thought that was the way the rest of the world lives.... wanted to fit in.

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Lol @ Montezemolo. Seems he forgot how he got owned in 2008 by Bernie when he stated that Singapore race was a circus.

'Then we have to be grateful to him for providing the clowns.'

I guess the same applies here. Ferrari weren't capable of giving Alonso a better car to win the championship and after they lost it, they started acting like clowns trying to fabricate a case to win it in court.

Ferrari sought clarification, which is entirely within their right and their responsibility if they are not sure of the situation. In what way is that "acting like clowns and trying to fabricate a case to win it in court"??? In reading the other thread on this topic, it is obvious that there were questions in the minds of many, so it is not like they "fabricated" a damn thing.

Some of you go beyond ridiculous.

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Maybe - didn't call him delusional though which is a must on this forum!

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Any team in their position would have done the same.


Imagine if it came out next year that Vettel won the championship because of an illegal pass. There would be uproar because Ferrari didn't ask for the clarification.

I seen a guy over loose a championship in the last round over something similar. By the time he reviewed the on board it was too late. At F1 level I don't think any of the teams would make the same mistake. Too much money at stake.

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

Ecclestone-age comments apart, which is kind of a play between them both, I find these declarations quite pertinent.

A team director (or whatever) looses a championship, tries to find some solution in the rules an regulations, fails massively, and lunches a strike against an owner of the sport.

That's what I call going down spiral.

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If I had to I would trust Bernie over Luca but I think he is right in that Ferrari had no choice than to ask the FIA if there was anything in it.

Thank god those red devils didn't get away with it huh?

Quite unnecessary and ignorant of you.

I had a personal communication with Signor Enzo Ferrari back in 80's. I am sure he would never take the course Montezemolo has taken. Signor Enzo was never a sore loser.

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I must be the only one who thinks these spats keep the sport interesting. The drama is almost as entertaining as the racing.

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Actually, Lt., as a life-long Ferrari fan, I have to disagree with you. Enzo was no saint, or anywhere near it. I suspect that Enzo would have also asked for the clarification were he in charged.

That said, I am amused to see how many people have their noses out of joint over Ferrari even asking the question... personally, if they had any doubt, I would have been more upset if they had not asked for the clarification.

This is a non-story being made from a at worst a mole-hill into a mountain by some people with nothing better to do, or people whose dislike for Ferrari and/or Alonso overrides common sense sometimes.

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Ferrari is the only top3 team that barely recover from the massive reg change made in 2009

They dont have elite on aero department

Bernie 's comment just add more salt on his wounds...LOL

Can see why LDM was pissed off and asking for more F1 testing

However, i dont think his usual "bail out from the sport" statement will convince others...without F1, Ferrari is nth as well.

I disagree with this. On what grounds were Ferrari asking for the clarification?

The onboard of Vettel's showed a green flag, which was missed by the guy posting it on youtube. So it's backwards to say that something was missed initially or that something was genuinely in doubt. It's the amateur analysis that should be rigorously checked before being relied upon for query. If we accept Ferrari making this clarification on the basis of that video then we're opening the door to results being queried based on anything that's posted on youtube, which could include doctored videos.

The lights, flags, dashboard situation has been around for several years. Any suggestion that Ferrari were unaware of how they interacted would be to suggest that they didn't understand the circumstances under which they'd been racing for quite awhile, and that they had on their car a dashboard function that they didn't understand, either.

Ferrari's clarification can only have been born out of incompetence or spite.

As for Montezemolo's comments, he just sounds ridiculous to me. Rather than discuss the substance of the matter he's childishly thrown personal insults. He can't win the argument so he's just thrown some mud at the arguer. He sounds petty and silly.

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Trust me, Ferrari would survive just fine without F1... They don't want that, but they would survive and do well.

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While I agree he was no saint, he always remained gentleman, retaining dignity and honor.

The main question is not will he ask for clarification, but the manner how he would do it. And he won't disgrace himself publicly going personal, like Montezemolo did.

At least, this is my impression of him.

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Lt.
One of my all-time favorites from this forum (not here anymore) would love to argue with you about Enzo... he positively despised him, but did grudgingly admire what he accomplished.

As I said earlier, I to don't agree with they way Luca responded, so I can't argue it with you, I wish he would have shown restraint.

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i will trust you if you are marketing expert and know all the trend of ferrari brand worldwide.

I knew that without F1, ferrari wouldn't emerge as global brand.

F1 doesnt need ferrari, however with new generation keep emerging, the brand awareness campaign need to be effective to sustain the generation gap and maintain the brand value. F1 is perfect for that....ferrari just calling their bluff as always.

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What seems to be getting lost in the shuffle is that Luca's remarks were ageist. I'm not huge Bernie fan but Luca was out of line. It's amazing that the guy running a marquee brand like Ferrari would post such tactless comments. This is the kind of stuff you might read from fanboys on the internet, not the chairman of a multibillion dollar company.

you just don't know when to quit, do you, nvrdieyoung.

in fact, I am a marketing director! And yes, I do know a little bit about "market awareness".

That is in addition to having followed this sport for over 50 years as opposed to my being new to it, as you suggested. Been a rough night for you, hasn't it!

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old man tired of losing....

they need Jean Todt 2.0 who know the ingredient to win titles again, not Domenicalli that cant make major decision.

During jean 's era, LDM is powerless, and now when Domenicalli took over, he is not his own man, but rather a messenger beside LDM.

NvrDieYoung, Blake is seriously right. Ferrari doesn't need F1 to sell it's cars. Ferrari rips off their customers to support their racing heritage! Commendatore Enzo himself said that, So learn from those who have seen it all, like Blake.

good, expert over here.

And if you're right, why ferrari still didn't make it out of the sport...and make their own series like LDM suggested back in 2009?? huh

there must be certain value on staying in the sport, i think you underestimate the influence of F1 on its road car side.

Merc has sold more cars during its F1 involvement certainly speak some value to the sport 's coverage itself.

Are you a new fan to the sport, or to the world of automobiles?

Just so you know, Ferrari is paid some money by the governing authority to compete, which is higher than teams like McLaren, Williams, RBR etc... one of the reasons why Merc was pissed and throwing a tantrum! That said, Ferrari have a right to seek clarification. What they (including drivers) don't have a right to, is to crib about how lucky Vettel is to have good machinery etc.

Hopefully they would have a good car in 2013, and we could see Massa and Alonso at their best. Though i'm not all that hopeful. McLaren's pace is heartbreaking... even other cars look (well, they are) faster. Since nothing much has changed, but the DRS use in qualifying, i'd be pleased if Ferrari could compete in WDC, leave alone winning it. I'm expecting Lotus to make a big step forward. RBR is already ahead, if not by much and similar gap, or parity will be maintained... So it isn't going to be easy for them.

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My Top 5 drivers of all times:
1) Prost/ Schumacher
3) Fangio
4) Lauda
5) Brabham

if you don't like it, too bad! There's a reason why it says "My Top 5"

LDM gave Todt a free hand, and with success Todt's stature rose to rival that of LDM in Ferrari... While LDM may have been the boss, but everyone knew who ran the team and made them winners they were. He disintegrated the entire team... that is perhaps the Italian way? Why? LDM didn't want multiple power centers in the heart of Ferrari. For crying out louds' sake... they showed the door to Schumacher in his prime, who even now is more than a match for most drivers out there. As capable as Domenicali is, he will never have liberties that Todt in his days had... They were different, desperate... and brave times, when Todt was at helm. One must be very mistaken, if he/ she thinks things are run the same way now.

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My Top 5 drivers of all times:
1) Prost/ Schumacher
3) Fangio
4) Lauda
5) Brabham

if you don't like it, too bad! There's a reason why it says "My Top 5"

what i knew is mclaren, ferrari and rbr the top 3 team all receive certain bonus from the FOM due to the recognition of their brand being influential to the sport overall.

doesnt make ferrari any special.

Ferrari's deal is sweetened with a bonus on top of their performance earnings. F1 needs Ferrari as much as Ferrari needs F1. Which is why, at the end of the day, a deal is always made.

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All because Bernie, man of moral might will not stand for it.
He will bring justice for all.

I agree .

Luca should restrict himself to Ferrari as a business and keep out of Ferrari F1.

Good point .