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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:51 pm 
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A lot of talk of late is winning races at more than one team. I was thinking who has done this...

Alonso Renault, McLaren, Ferrari
Raikkonen McLaren, Ferrari, Louts
Prost McLaren, Ferrari, Williams
Lauda Brabham, Ferrari, McLaren


anyone win at 4 teams?


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:52 pm 
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Fangio won 5 titles with 4 different teams.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:00 pm 
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Depending on how you define teams, you could have Button (BAR, Brawn, McLaren). Of the current drivers, I can only think of a handful that have won in two or more teams (Vettel, Button, Alonso, Raikkonen, Schumacher)


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:05 pm 
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Well Prost won at four teams, because he also won at Renault. Here's a link with a comprehensive list that puts Moss top with five teams.

http://statsf1.com/en/statistiques/pilo ... erent.aspx


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:07 pm 
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Button- Brawn, Honda, McLaren?

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:07 pm 
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Piquet. Williams, Brabham and Benetton.

Berger. McLaren, Ferrari and Benetton.

Moss. Merc, Maserati, Vandervall/Vanwall, Rob Walker cooper and Lotus chassis.

Edit Moss also had a Non championship win with another lot.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:07 pm 
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Fangio is the obvious choice for sure... and if I go back and do some research, I would not be surprised to find quite a few more...

a certainty would be Stirling Moss with wins in at least 5 teams.... Mercedes, Maserati, Cooper, Vanwall, Lotus

Dan Gurney would be a likely candidate. I know of Porsche, Brabham, Gurney... not sure if there was a fourth.

Another to add to your list of three would be John Surtees... Ferrari, Cooper, Honda

Jackie Stewart won in Tyrrell, Matra, & BRM

will have to think a bit for more...
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:18 pm 
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Furball wrote:
Depending on how you define teams, you could have Button (BAR, Brawn, McLaren). Of the current drivers, I can only think of a handful that have won in two or more teams (Vettel, Button, Alonso, Raikkonen, Schumacher)



Button's is a bit tricky as it was the same team, different name


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:19 pm 
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Well Prost won at four teams, because he also won at Renault. Here's a link with a comprehensive list that puts Moss top with five teams.

http://statsf1.com/en/statistiques/pilo ... erent.aspx



Prost... ah yes... very good then


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I originally titled this "modern F1" but then changes it. Not to take away at all from the guys in the 50's but there was tons of attrition in those races, and tons of teams coming and going.

However, I did not write that so all those guys look to be at 5


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Hakk, yes there was a lot of attrition in the 50s... and several teams... kind of like today when it comes to teams...

But please don't discount their accomplishments because many of their fellow driver died driving difficult, open, skinny wheeled cars on unsafe courses, instead celebrate them!!!!

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Button counts. Team changed name AND hands, plus 'factory' support ceased.


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Hakkattack wrote:
I originally titled this "modern F1" but then changes it. Not to take away at all from the guys in the 50's but there was tons of attrition in those races, and tons of teams coming and going.

However, I did not write that so all those guys look to be at 5

Hakk, Fangio won 5 titles with 4 different teams. He did those over a season. It was still an amazing achievement even then.

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Blake wrote:
Hakk, yes there was a lot of attrition in the 50s... and several teams... kind of like today when it comes to teams...

But please don't discount their accomplishments because many of their fellow driver died driving difficult, open, skinny wheeled cars on unsafe courses, instead celebrate them!!!!



no no... not discounting... just hard to compare eras.... back then you could get out of your car and take your teammates with no penalty.... very different world. With that said they also did things like change gears and race with drum brakes, and front engine cars, etc... now-a-days it is more straight forward

all you have to do is watch the video of Fangio and Monaco and you can see amazing skill


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Button counts. Team changed name AND hands, plus 'factory' support ceased.


Still had TONS of input and development funding from the previous year's form though. I give Button wins with 2.5 teams. :p

I would think Kimi and Alonso will be the first to four if either of them would make it to Red Bull in the next few years. Beyond that, I think many may be stuck at 2-3 for some time. Which in modern F1 is no small feat even.

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Button counts. Team changed name AND hands, plus 'factory' support ceased.


Still had TONS of input and development funding from the previous year's form though. I give Button wins with 2.5 teams. :p


That happens with a lot of teams. You could argue that if someone won with Jordan, Spyker and Force India that it doesnt count as they have the same HQ, some of the same staff, etc.

Button counts, period. :)

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i dont think a lot of drivers switch teams more than 3 times

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If you're talking about winning titles with 3 different teams, only 2 people do that - Adrian Newey and Ross Brawn


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spin1/2 wrote:
If you're talking about winning titles with 3 different teams, only 2 people do that - Adrian Newey and Ross Brawn

No. He's talking about race wins...that much is obvious.

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It depends on what you understand by "team".

Stewart only won with two teams: BRM and Tyrrell (although the team Tyrrell bought and adapted chassis from Matra and March)

I'm not completely sure, but I think Moss' wins with Cooper and Lotus were under the same team (Rob Walker)

And i also think, in the case of Button, that Honda and Brawn were the same taem.

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Porsan wrote:
It depends on what you understand by "team".

Stewart only won with two teams: BRM and Tyrrell (although the team Tyrrell bought and adapted chassis from Matra and March)

I'm not completely sure, but I think Moss' wins with Cooper and Lotus were under the same team (Rob Walker)

And i also think, in the case of Button, that Honda and Brawn were the same taem.


You're wrong about Stewart. The history books list Matra, not Tyrrell, as the winners of the WCC in 1969.

Having run their own 'Matra Sports' team alongside Ken Tyrrell's 'Matra International' team in 1968, Matra reached an agreement with Ken Tyrrell whereby he would run Matra's sole Grand Prix team in 1969, using the existing MS10 chassis and thereafter the new MS80 and MS84 chassis. As part of the deal, Jean-Pierre Beltoise, who drove in Grands Prix for Matra Sports in 1968, became Stewart's team-mate for the 1969 season. Tyrrell would have continued to run the Matra Grands Prix operation in 1970 had Matra not insisted on the use of their own V12 engine rather than the DFV that powered Stewart to the championship in 1969.


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RickM wrote:
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swillis wrote:
Button counts. Team changed name AND hands, plus 'factory' support ceased.


Still had TONS of input and development funding from the previous year's form though. I give Button wins with 2.5 teams. :p


That happens with a lot of teams. You could argue that if someone won with Jordan, Spyker and Force India that it doesnt count as they have the same HQ, some of the same staff, etc.

Button counts, period. :)


I was merely being facetious. :-P

I do find it difficult to classify teams other than by names. I mean, a team for a single seasons operates off of design and development from the previous year's design team and factory operations and the current year's racing, development, and factory operations groups. One competition year truly spans for 1.5-2 years of work easily. So you have to simply break it down by name of the organization.

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not pretending it's a complete list, but probably pretty close


Kimi Räikkönen (McLaren, Ferrari & Lotus)
Jenson Button (Brawn, Honda & McLaren)
Fernando Alonso (Renault, McLaren & Ferrari)
Juan-Manuel Fangio (Alfa Romeo, Maserati, Lancia, Mercedes & Ferrari)
Alain Prost (Renault, Ferrari, McLaren & Williams)
Niki Lauda (Ferrari, Brabham & McLaren)
Nelson Piquet (Williams, Brabham & Benetton)
Stirling Moss (Mercedes, Maserati, Vanwall, Cooper & Lotus)
Carlos Reutemann (Brabham, Ferrari & Williams)
Gerhard Berger (Benetton, Ferrari & McLaren)
Jody Scheckter (Wolf, Ferrari & Tyrrell)
John Surtees (Cooper, Honda & Ferrari)
Tony Brooks (Vanwall, Maserati & Ferrari)
Dan Gurney (Porsche, Brabham & Eagle)

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In honesty, that's a damn, ****ing awesome list of drivers! Hell!

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spin1/2 wrote:
If you're talking about winning titles with 3 different teams, only 2 people do that - Adrian Newey and Ross Brawn



Or Fangio, Alfa Romeo, Mercedes Benz, Ferrari & Maserati.

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Copied this from http://www.statsf1.com/en/statistiques/pilote/victoire/constructeur-different.aspx



1 MOSS Stirling 5 Cooper, Lotus, Maserati, Mercedes, Vanwall
2 FANGIO Juan Manuel 4 Alfa Romeo, Ferrari, Maserati, Mercedes
3 STEWART Jackie 4 BRM, March, Matra, Tyrrell
4 PROST Alain 4 Ferrari, McLaren, Renault, Williams
5 GURNEY Dan 3 Brabham, Eagle, Porsche
6 SURTEES John 3 Cooper, Ferrari, Honda
7 REUTEMANN Carlos 3 Brabham, Ferrari, Williams
8 LAUDA Niki 3 Brabham, Ferrari, McLaren
9 SCHECKTER Jody 3 Ferrari, Tyrrell, Wolf
10 BERGER Gerhard 3 Benetton, Ferrari, McLaren
11 PIQUET Nelson 3 Benetton, Brabham, Williams
12 RAIKKONEN Kimi 3 Ferrari, Lotus, McLaren
13 BUTTON Jenson 3 Brawn GP, Honda, McLaren
14 ALONSO Fernando 3 Ferrari, McLaren, Renault

Button is a special case, Brawn was the successor of Honda
In Stewart's case I believe Matra became Tyrrell after a while

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