Eva09 wrote:
Misinformed wrote:
People keep harping on about the fact that Vettel had two consecutive pit stops at Brazil. If they'd focused on something other than Vettel (hard in a season finale, I know), they'd have seen that his team mate had to do exactly the same thing around the same point of the race. Two pit stops in consecutive laps, for both Vettel and Webber.
Not only that, but discounting the question as to whether it was Sebastian's or Bruno's fault regarding the incident at turn 4, Vettel spun nonetheless. You can cheer him on for coming back from that, but Webber also had a spin, then slide 90 degrees at the final/penultimate corner.. I really don't know if it's the last corner or not.. and he went off at turn 1. The last two probably weren't as impactful as Vettel's spin was, but they happened either way.
Well Webber's were his fault, Vettel's was a racing incident against Senna.
I did not bother pointing out who was at fault because too many people, you in particular, will argue that Senna had no reason to be where he was despite the fact that he was ahead going into turn 4. The point of my argument was not that Vettel, I discounted any theory regarding that simply because I was trying to outline that while Vettel spun, so did Webber. Additionally, whether or not Webber had his nose pointing in the opposite direction like Vettel did does not count for much when I emphasise that while Vettel spun once, Mark spun 3 times (although not to the severity of Vettel's spin) which in general terms, would even it out.
PacificBeach wrote:
At the end of Lap 1 Webber was 11.3 seconds ahead of Vettel. At the end of Lap 6 Vettel reduced it to 3.7 seconds (lapping on average 1.7 seconds a lap faster in rain while overtaking others an with a damaged car).. This is too much of a difference but Vettel is excellent wet weather driver.
If you'll recall, Massa was doing the world's best job of blocking Mark. That however is not to deter from the fact that I agree. Vettel is a superb wet weather racer, but his advantage over Webber at the aforementioned point of the race was exaggerated by the fact that Massa was deliberately impeding Webber.
JerCotter7 wrote:
I somehow doubt Vettel would have spun if there was no contact so I don't see the point of bringing up Webber spinning.
What difference does it make that he was slower when the track was drying up? Did you not see the damage to the car?
The two sentences from your post are examples of how you did not read and properly understand my original post.
I've already explained the reason for me bringing up why I included Mark's spins.
Secondly, the fact that Vettel had damage to his car is the exact reason that I brought up the fact about the drying track. When saying that his damaged car showed no ill effects when the track was wet, I was implying that it proved to hinder him too much when the track was drying.
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completely unbiased and fair view, had it not been raining his car wouldn't have made it at most it was a 50/50 but had it not been a first lap incident i think vettel would have got a penalty. Spa though was outstanding.
