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Interesting... Niki Lauda to have more power?


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5Live have just tweeted that Norman Norbert Haug has concluded his career as Head of Mercedes-Benz motorsport:

https://twitter.com/5LiveF1/status/279202243151011841

Interesting, I assumed he would have been one of those in Hamilton's camp and would therefore be staying on for at least the initial period of Lewis's time at Mercedes.


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Seems I posted this just after Ev0lutionz posted a post on the identical topic, please add to that instead:

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Awww I like Norb, thought he'd be around for Lewis' start at least, as Alienturnedhuman said.

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http://adamcooperf1.com/2012/12/13/norb ... -benz-job/


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aww gonna miss him, but he really wasn't the same since Mikka left.

Interested to see what Lauda can do.


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aww gonna miss him, but he really wasn't the same since Mikka left.

Interested to see what Lauda can do.

Haug was heading for retirement soon anyway regardless of Lauda's appointment IMO.

However I don't think Lauda will do much. He was hopeless in his years with Jaguar. He'll be gone within two years.

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Laura23 wrote:
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aww gonna miss him, but he really wasn't the same since Mikka left.

Interested to see what Lauda can do.

Haug was heading for retirement soon anyway regardless of Lauda's appointment IMO.

However I don't think Lauda will do much. He was hopeless in his years with Jaguar. He'll be gone within two years.


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I'd be more comfortable with Haug than Lauda any day.

Things look worse for Lewis every announcement. All he needs is a backtrack on engine regs to hit rock bottom.

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could this be a role filled by michael schumacher?


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To be fair if Merc do keep failing to deliver then the blame can't be placed at Lauda's feet since the failure dates back to 2010.

The blame will fall onto Brawn. If the do have a poor 2013 then I really don't know how much longer Brawn can avoid being axed. He may be a brilliant tactitan but he's not been a brilliant Team Principle thus far.

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could this be a role filled by michael schumacher?

No way. Schumacher has no experiance in leading an entire motorsports division. He'll be in a consulting role only most likely.

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Another article on it from ESPNF1: http://en.espnf1.com/mercedes/motorspor ... CMP=chrome

Surprised he's leaving now. I wonder if Lewis was made aware of that before signing a contract. It shouldn't have too much impact, but is interesting nonetheless.

I wonder who will replace him.

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5Live have just tweeted that Norman Haug has concluded his career as Head of Mercedes-Benz motorsport:

https://twitter.com/5LiveF1/status/279202243151011841

Interesting, I assumed he would have been one of those in Hamilton's camp and would therefore be staying on for at least the initial period of Lewis's time at Mercedes.

I don't think it was Haugs voluntary decission to leave & I don't think Lewis did know about it.

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Haribo wrote:
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5Live have just tweeted that Norman Haug has concluded his career as Head of Mercedes-Benz motorsport:

https://twitter.com/5LiveF1/status/279202243151011841

Interesting, I assumed he would have been one of those in Hamilton's camp and would therefore be staying on for at least the initial period of Lewis's time at Mercedes.

I don't think it was Haugs voluntary decission to leave & I don't think Lewis did know about it.

My impression is the same

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tmzxaar wrote:
Haribo wrote:
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
5Live have just tweeted that Norman Haug has concluded his career as Head of Mercedes-Benz motorsport:

https://twitter.com/5LiveF1/status/279202243151011841

Interesting, I assumed he would have been one of those in Hamilton's camp and would therefore be staying on for at least the initial period of Lewis's time at Mercedes.

I don't think it was Haugs voluntary decission to leave & I don't think Lewis did know about it.

My impression is the same

What was possibly worse than their bad F1 season, was that they lost the DTM title at the last races.
Mercedes was miles ahead until BMW( the newcommers) did a better team work, and beat them at the final. Haug was at a responsible position at DTM
For the car market DTM is more important than F1. The 3 German top car teams compete there. BMW overhauld them in the general sales, too this year. Not a good PR for Merc to lose at DTM.

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One of the most down-to-earth, honest and sympathetic person in the padock. What a pity!

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Goodbye and happy retirement years! Thanks for the memories! :thumbup:

BTW, I am so glad that my 1000th post was in honor of such a down-to-earth and honest figure!

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Goodbye and happy retirement years! Thanks for the memories! :thumbup:

BTW, I am so glad that my 1000th post was in honor of such a down-to-earth and honest figure!


Norbert is the man. His "interview" in the Merc garage after Rosberg's win on sky was so good.

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Norman?


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One of those instances where the hands type without the brain.


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Both Norbert and Norman are stepping down?

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This is a big bummer for me :( I know a head had to roll after this year, but his doesn't make much sense. I hope he ends up with a rival organization.

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This is a big bummer for me :( I know a head had to roll after this year, but his doesn't make much sense. I hope he ends up with a rival organization.

Lotus should snatch him up :)

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:48 pm 
8O That's definately a shocker! Didn't see it coming...

Norbert's moustache is one of my earliest motorsport memories :lol:
Better than Mansell's if you ask me :nod:

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8O That's definately a shocker! Didn't see it coming...

Norbert's moustache is one of my earliest motorsport memories :lol:
Better than Mansell's if you ask me :nod:

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Not sure whats worse. His moustache or Michaels hat! :lol:

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8O That's definately a shocker! Didn't see it coming...

Norbert's moustache is one of my earliest motorsport memories :lol:
Better than Mansell's if you ask me :nod:

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Wow, Michael was a hipster before it was cool.


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Phew!, there will be much more room on the flights to and from GPs now

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RickM wrote:
greenwizard13 wrote:
8O That's definately a shocker! Didn't see it coming...

Norbert's moustache is one of my earliest motorsport memories :lol:
Better than Mansell's if you ask me :nod:

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Not sure whats worse. His moustache or Michaels hat! :lol:

There is nothing wrong with Michael's hat. That's a Tirol hat, with long tradition in Austria. Nobody laughs at that in this part of the world.

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8O That's definately a shocker! Didn't see it coming...

Norbert's moustache is one of my earliest motorsport memories :lol:
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Not sure whats worse. His moustache or Michaels hat! :lol:

There is nothing wrong with Michael's hat. That's a Tirol hat, with long tradition in Austria. Nobody laughs at that in this part of the world.

Hey a bowler hat's supposed to be a long standing tradition in England...doesn't mean we have to take it so seriously...lighten up ;)

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I think this was not planned. And I think due to the relationship Merc had with Mclaren this is going to have an impact on Lewis. This is big.


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I think this was not planned. And I think due to the relationship Merc had with Mclaren this is going to have an impact on Lewis. This is big.


It is big. Haug had to depart because the Mercedes board of directors expected more from the team and changes had to be made.

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“There is always somebody who has to accept the overall responsibility,” said the 60-year-old, who steps down after more than two decades at the helm of the constructor’s sport operations. “We have had our successes in the past three years, of course, but not consistently enough – so a direction had to be set and a marker laid down.”

“I got together with the Board after the season and we sought an amicable solution; we found it, and the talks were as fair as they have always been in the last 22 years.”
http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/288613/haug-exit-caused-by-disappointing-results/

In the last three years McLaren have had 18 wins to Mercedes' one. Lauda was hired before the decision to terminate Haug was made, so he's not his direct replacement.

What does all this imply and the consequences? The Mercedes brass are darn serious about getting wins and results, so much that they shook up their racing operation. They are not going to sit still, and that means the team is going to get even more support from the parent company.

Although Hamilton may not take any pleasure from the misfortune of another, what happened is a very good thing for him, because he's now got the entire Mercedes organization right tiddled off that they aren't winning, and intend to make that happen. If there was ever a sign that Mercedes are going to throw a lot more support and money into the team, this is it.

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Merc have already stated they are not upping the budget. So I can't see how this is a sign they are going to start throwing money at the team.

Edit if anything it's a sign they are running out of patience. To me that suggests they might run out altogether and pull the plug ala Toyota.

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It means they are serious about achieving motorsport success.


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Just been wondering about Haug and his potential future.

It appears to me that Norbert took the bullet or the team's failings but is not necessarily finished with motorsport.
If Haug were to stay in a motorsport role, where would people expect him to go? Ironically Merc have traditionally taken the other teams' rejects!

Become a consultant with a Merc-supplied team i.e. McLaren? Back to a familiar setting and he knows the team inside out.
Force India?
Would he, dare I say it, stick on a red jacket?
DTM arch rivals Audi?

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"On Tuesday I was at the board meeting in Stuttgart for the first time in my new role," Lauda revealed to Welt am Sonntag newspaper."At the end of the meeting, it was an absolute surprise when Haug gave his resignation. I took my cap off to him, because he said essentially he feels responsible for the poor performance this year, and had drawn the appropriate conclusion. To be honest, there are very few managers in top positions who do such things. Personally, I'm very sorry about it. I would love to still have worked with him." - Lauda

His choice then.

Their last two seasons are Ross' fault anyway, not Haug's.

edit: If I were him, I'd stroll over to Porsche and sign up to run their new LMP1 team, which is already full of ex-F1 people, and if this year's Toyota is any indication, those people will be bringing a lot of F1 design and theory to their car.

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