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I believe alguersuari was unfairly booted but thats f1 for ya, liuzzi for me is one a 7x world karting champ just didn't get right tools. Barrichello was his time up or not still seemed a match for schumi in Spain 2010, so who do u miss is f1 a pay sport rather than natural ability now?


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Agree about Alguersuari. Unsure about Liuzzi.
Barichello, to me, was overdue. He has had his time, he proved to be a decent driver, but I like to see fresh blood and young drivers over 40-year olds who have had their chance in the big teams and have not much more to prove anyway.

I'm sure Alguersuari will get his shot again.
Sutil, Kobayashi are others who I'd like to see again.

Kubica too, but I don't think he'll ever make it back again with the obvious injuries he's sustained.


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Kubica but as he said himself a come back to F1 is very unlikely. He is still too much hindered by his right arm.
Kobayashi yeah obviously and Grosjean who both have potential.
Alguersuari and Buemi I just want to know what they can do when not under the wings of the terrible Dr Marko.

Not Sutil I think he reached his maximum performance. Rubens is too old now so no.

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I think Alguersuari will get a drive somewhere in the future and I hope Kobayashi gets a seat. I'd give grosjean one more chance and if he still hasn't the mentality then I think its time to go. I think we all would say we would love to see Kubica back but its looking less likely now due to his injuries but all we can hope is that he continues in his rehabilitation and maybe one day he will return to the grid.

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Alguersuari is far to young to be on the F1 scrap heap he deserves another crack as does Sutil who was a top 10 drive in 2011 without a doubt. Liuzzi had to many chances in my opinion and blew them all, Barrichello has had his time same with Heidfeld, Although I still think Nick could do a solid job.


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If only Heidfeld had got that Mclaren drive instead of Raikkonen....

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If only Heidfeld had got that Mclaren drive instead of Raikkonen....


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If only Heidfeld had got that Mclaren drive instead of Raikkonen....

:thumbup: I hear ya! I was also hoping for him to get the McLaren drive in 2010 as well.

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I really wanted Rubens in for 1 last year, but now I don't as he has left the sport

Schumi, well a disappointing return, but then we can't live in the past, lets have new blood now


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Alguersuari and Buemi. The current pair are not doing really well.

And of course Heidfeld for the last time, but in a top team. I believe he still not past his prime, just didn't have the right car.


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Alguersuari and Buemi. The current pair are not doing really well.

And of course Heidfeld for the last time, but in a top team. I believe he still not past his prime, just didn't have the right car.


As much as I like the guy it was pretty evident when he was at Lotus he'd lost a couple of tenths. In his prime he would have wiped the floor with Petrov. Could have been to do with getting older, could be to do with the new spec cars and Pirelli tyres.... Anyones guess really

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Alguersuari and Buemi. The current pair are not doing really well.

And of course Heidfeld for the last time, but in a top team. I believe he still not past his prime, just didn't have the right car.



Think it's harsh to criticize the current Toro Rosso pair too much. This season was a transitional year - two new rookie drivers, and they brought in Key for Ascanelli. The car was bad; I think both drivers did alright with what that had. Ricciardo has to improve his starts, and Vergne his quali. If there's no significant improvement next season, they'll probably be dropped though.

Buemi looks like he'll be Ferrari's test driver for next year. And Algy...I'm upset he looks set to sit another season on the sidelines. He's still very young though, and I'm certain he'll get another chance in the sport. Hopefully, he'll get a third driver role with practice sessions with a team like FI or Williams (Maldonado and di Resta could be under threat for 2014).

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coulthards chin wrote:
Ja'a wrote:
Alguersuari and Buemi. The current pair are not doing really well.

And of course Heidfeld for the last time, but in a top team. I believe he still not past his prime, just didn't have the right car.


As much as I like the guy it was pretty evident when he was at Lotus he'd lost a couple of tenths. In his prime he would have wiped the floor with Petrov. Could have been to do with getting older, could be to do with the new spec cars and Pirelli tyres.... Anyones guess really


You are right. What happened to him when compared to Petrov remains mysterious. But his racecraft was still a solid lower top class, miles ahead of Petrov. He just had so much bad luck. :)

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If only Heidfeld had got that Mclaren drive instead of Raikkonen....


Also almost confirm with Mercedes in 2010 just to be denied with Schumacher's late decision to join the team.

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Think it's harsh to criticize the current Toro Rosso pair too much. This season was a transitional year - two new rookie drivers, and they brought in Key for Ascanelli. The car was bad; I think both drivers did alright with what that had. Ricciardo has to improve his starts, and Vergne his quali. If there's no significant improvement next season, they'll probably be dropped though.

Buemi looks like he'll be Ferrari's test driver for next year. And Algy...I'm upset he looks set to sit another season on the sidelines. He's still very young though, and I'm certain he'll get another chance in the sport. Hopefully, he'll get a third driver role with practice sessions with a team like FI or Williams (Maldonado and di Resta could be under threat for 2014).


Ricciardo is good in quali, but poor race pace despite raced with HRT last season. Vergne got better race craft, but bloody fairy cakes in quali. Although the car is crap, i have not seen any flash of brilliance from both driver. They are underperforming. Even Heikki and Petrov on several occasion surprised me.

Alguersuari came into F1 too early, by the time he already got his speed it's already too late. Buemi have been consistent enough in all his years in STR, he even outperformed Alguersuari more than not. I'm not sure why other teams didn't take them.


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Liuzzi certainly didn't impress in F1. I think too many people clung to his karting championships which don't mean anything in F1 once you're there sadly. I mean, one step below Liuzzi is Speed, and I don't believe Scott Speed deserves another shot despite feeling 2010-like Webber Red Bull syndrome.

I'd agree about Alguesuari and Sutil. I'd say Sutil is the better driver of those two but definitely the one with the violent stigma hanging over his head so unsure if he'll be back either.

Barrichello was far past due and was no longer on the upward curve for improvement. He wasn't even on the flattened plateau, IMO...

If Kamui doesn't get a drive then he will be my biggest "what if" in Formula 1 for me since I've begun watching - along with Kubica.

And always wished Heidfeld was implemented into a better run team.

Beyond that... Zsolt Baumgartner? :p

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Zsolt baumgartner lol, ok I'll go one better Taki Inoue, the only man to be hit with the medical car. Twice in one season


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Justin Wilson - All 6ft 4 of him! Has there ever been a taller driver?

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Honda Quick wrote:

Barrichello was far past due and was no longer on the upward curve for improvement. He wasn't even on the flattened plateau, IMO...


He beat Maldonado more than Maldonado beat him... but of course what does Barrichello know?


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Justin Wilson - All 6ft 4 of him! Has there ever been a taller driver?


Yes I always loved to see him get another chance but due to his length they were not keen to do so. He is is out of F1 for too long now.

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Barrichello (not that it will happen now but clearly way better than many of the midfielders - the comments about age are rubbish)
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Barrichello was far past due and was no longer on the upward curve for improvement. He wasn't even on the flattened plateau, IMO...


2009 - He came 3rd in the WDC (With his team mate, JB coming 1st). He had 6 podiums that year.
2010 - He beat his teammate by coming 10th (Hulk came 14th). Considering how bad the car was it was pretty decent. This was the point where Williams were considered dead.
2011 - He finished 17th with a car that was even worse (His team mate, Maldonado coming 19th). Again, the Williams was GOD AWEFUL, with them getting just 5 WCC points.

His biggest error was moving to Williams. The team was in a very bad way. IMO You cant make the assumption that between the end of the 2009 season, and the begining of the 2010 season he lost his racecraft. He was still amazingly good through 2009, and only seemed to be suffering once he was in a crippled car.

The same would happen with any driver. When Hamilton steps into next years Merc and doesn't get many points, you wont automatically assume he's lost it, you'll assume he's adapting to the car.

In his 1st year of IndyCar, he came 12th (out of 35). Considering it's his 1st year in a very different type of car, and racing, he's done pretty well, with 8 (out of 15) races in the top 10.

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Buemi - I feel he could at least match Webber, or be better
Alguersuari - personal dislike aside, he was quick
Sutil - he was very fine and didn't have a right car at his peak
Rubens - I think he has some unfinished things in F1
Bourdais - just give him a decent car that suit his style
Heidfeld - 7 times seconds placed, that doesn't come for nothing
Kobayashi - keeping in mind that he is currently out of job

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I think Sutil deserves annothe shot, for me he showed amazing signs of speed. I know at some point there were rumors about him joining ferrari (before his incident with Lux.). Let's see what Mallaya will do but I do believe Sutil is one of the best drivers. He was never given the opportunity to shine with a top car.

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I think Sutil deserves annothe shot, for me he showed amazing signs of speed. I know at some point there were rumors about him joining ferrari (before his incident with Lux.). Let's see what Mallaya will do but I do believe Sutil is one of the best drivers. He was never given the opportunity to shine with a top car.


I think he'll be getting that drive in 2013 ;)

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Sutil certainly sounds relaxed and confident, I get the feeling he's got the drive.

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Sutil certainly sounds relaxed and confident, I get the feeling he's got the drive.

Yup. I dont think FI wanted to get rid of him in the first place, but had little choice given his conviction.

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Sutil certainly sounds relaxed and confident, I get the feeling he's got the drive.

Yup. I dont think FI wanted to get rid of him in the first place, but had little choice given his conviction.

I kinda want him back now, not because I'm a fan, but I want to see how Di Resta stacks up against him now. There's big question marks over Di Resta, and he was beaten by Sutil in his rookie year... but with two years experience against Sutil who's had a year out, he should fare much better. If he doesn't, that would be telling. And Sutil will have a point to prove as well, he'll be wanted to make headlines the right way.

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Sutil certainly sounds relaxed and confident, I get the feeling he's got the drive.

Yup. I dont think FI wanted to get rid of him in the first place, but had little choice given his conviction.

I kinda want him back now, not because I'm a fan, but I want to see how Di Resta stacks up against him now. There's big question marks over Di Resta, and he was beaten by Sutil in his rookie year... but with two years experience against Sutil who's had a year out, he should fare much better. If he doesn't, that would be telling. And Sutil will have a point to prove as well, he'll be wanted to make headlines the right way.


Very good point - hopefully he'll get the seat. Will certainly be interesting to see if Di Resta really is all talk or if we've been unjustly critical towards him.

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Buemi - I feel he could at least match Webber, or be better
Alguersuari - personal dislike aside, he was quick
Sutil - he was very fine and didn't have a right car at his peak
Rubens - I think he has some unfinished things in F1
Bourdais - just give him a decent car that suit his style
Heidfeld - 7 times seconds placed, that doesn't come for nothing
Kobayashi - keeping in mind that he is currently out of job


:thumbup: :thumbup:

Also Buemi, and let me add to that list:

Nelson Piquet Jr. (seriously)

After some time the guy was on Fernando's pace at qualifying days, he just needed more time to stop making costly errors at the race. You don't fight the title against Lewis Hamilton in GP2 without having talent...


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A tongue in cheek alternative history of F1.

Somewhere in a Parallel Universe....

Schumi never signed for Ferrari, and while remaining competetive and winning races for Benneton/Renault, he never added to his 2 WDCs. In 2003, he was joined by a young upstart named Fernando Alonso, and after having the measure of him to start with, a fierce intra-team rivalry ensued, culminating in Alonso narrowly winning the 2005 and 2006 WDCs and Schumi retiring.

Rubens Barrichello was Ferraris chosen driver, and he won the 2001 and 2002 WDCs. He was joined at Ferrari by a young Kimi Raikkonen in 2002, who went on to win the 2004 and 2007 WDCs

Raikkonen missed out on a seat at Mclaren to Nick Heidfeld, who's first year in 2002 had many near misses before getting that elusive first win towards the end of the season. In 2003, the title went down to the wire with a 3-way fight between Heidfeld, Montoya and Raikkonen, with Montoya triumphing in the final race to claim his one and only WDC.

I would carry on but it gets very complex! It was more of a thought excercise

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A tongue in cheek alternative history of F1.

Somewhere in a Parallel Universe....

Schumi never signed for Ferrari, and while remaining competetive and winning races for Benneton/Renault, he never added to his 2 WDCs. In 2003, he was joined by a young upstart named Fernando Alonso, and after having the measure of him to start with, a fierce intra-team rivalry ensued, culminating in Alonso narrowly winning the 2005 and 2006 WDCs and Schumi retiring.

Rubens Barrichello was Ferraris chosen driver, and he won the 2001 and 2002 WDCs. He was joined at Ferrari by a young Kimi Raikkonen in 2002, who went on to win the 2004 and 2007 WDCs

Raikkonen missed out on a seat at Mclaren to Nick Heidfeld, who's first year in 2002 had many near misses before getting that elusive first win towards the end of the season. In 2003, the title went down to the wire with a 3-way fight between Heidfeld, Montoya and Raikkonen, with Montoya triumphing in the final race to claim his one and only WDC.

I would carry on but it gets very complex! It was more of a thought excercise


Aw man, I was so torn in that 2003 fight, I always wanted Heidfeld to get that title, but thought Montoya deserved it. My favourite McLaren pairing, quick Nick n Juan Pablo! Kimi certainly put Rubens in his place though, his 04 triumph was nothing to be sniffed at.

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