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I personally would like Nissan to have a crack as there gtr is a beast, breaking neally every lap record not to mention lapped nordchilffe in like 7 mins unbelievable for a 6 cylinder.


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Nissan is a sponsor of Red Bull via their Infiniti brand. Renault which supplies RBR's engines has a strong business partnership with Nissan.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:29 am 
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The Renault/Nissan relationship is stronger than that. Renault purchased 45% of Nissan and they now share parts and tech. Hence the reason Renault's road cars have improved while Nissan's legendary reliability is now but a fable.

That said, I'd like a Jap manufacturer. Mazda, but if not, Nissan.


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I'd like to see BMW back in F1. I think the way BMW design their road cars, it is a shame that they are not regularly in F1.They can challenge Ferrari & Mercedes for raw speed and coupled with a well-designed car body, they can be potential winners.

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Lamborghini and Nissan.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:26 am 
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Audi. Will never happen as long as they have a Le Mans programme though.

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Well Prodrive would be good as they now no longer have an Impreza to play with given that Subaru have binned them off

If Audi joined F1 they would have to fit headlights to their cars just so they can flash the driver in front to get out of their way :D


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Well Prodrive would be good as they now no longer have an Impreza to play with given that Subaru have binned them off

If Audi joined F1 they would have to fit headlights to their cars just so they can flash the driver in front to get out of their way :D

F1 has Rob Smedley for that. Doesn't need headlights. ;)

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I'd like to see BMW back in F1. I think the way BMW design their road cars, it is a shame that they are not regularly in F1.They can challenge Ferrari & Mercedes for raw speed and coupled with a well-designed car body, they can be potential winners.

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Also BMW made one of the most powerful engines. For example at Monza one year Webber squeezed Kubica on grass (all 4 wheels), Kubica came back on track and overtook Webber before the end of straight. This is how awesome were the engines.

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VAG group and BMW.

The VAG group have plenty of great brands to choose... Audi, Lamborghini, Bugatti, Porsche and Bentley...


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:34 pm 
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Has anyone said Honda?
They have a nice history with the sport (minus 2007 and '08) and would be great to see them back

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I prefer old-style true racers than marketing executives.

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None.

I prefer old-style true racers than marketing executives.

Nowadays are there any old-style true races in F1?

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None.

I prefer old-style true racers than marketing executives.

Nowadays are there any old-style true races in F1?

Williams and Sauber.

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Tufty wrote:
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None.

I prefer old-style true racers than marketing executives.

Nowadays are there any old-style true races in F1?

Williams and Sauber.

Williams do a lot of marketing stuff.

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dizlexik wrote:
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None.

I prefer old-style true racers than marketing executives.

Nowadays are there any old-style true races in F1?

Williams and Sauber.

Williams do a lot of marketing stuff.

In order to keep the team running. Actually, add Ferrari to that list too, and arguably McLaren.

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Aston Martin
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Spyker (just for the colour scheme)
Would also like to see Honda, BMW, Ford and Audi/VW as engine suppliers, just for a bit of variety.

Imagine a grid of:

Red Bull - Renault
Ferrari - Ferrari
McLaren - Honda
Lotus - Renault
Mercedes - Mercedes
Lamborghini - VW
Sauber - Ferrari
Spyker - BMW
Jaguar - Ford
Aston Martin - Prodrive
Force India - Mercedes
Williams - Renault
Caterham - Renault

Torro Rosso and Marussia can sod off.

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Tufty wrote:
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None.

I prefer old-style true racers than marketing executives.

Nowadays are there any old-style true races in F1?

Williams and Sauber.

Williams do a lot of marketing stuff.

In order to keep the team running. Actually, add Ferrari to that list too, and arguably McLaren.

So they are all marketing executives. Right?

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:04 pm 
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So they are all marketing executives. Right?

In a different way to someone like Mallya or Fernandes, yes. Williams, Sauber, Ferrari and McLaren exist to race. Ferrari is infamous for selling road cars simply to fund the F1 team. McLaren started out as a racing team before branching out - and would not exist or hold such a reputation in the industry without that. Williams have branched out to avoid the team going under after BMW's unceremonious departure. Peter Sauber is just a racing nut, and Monisha Kaltenborn is much the same. They are, first and foremost, racers.

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Tufty wrote:
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So they are all marketing executives. Right?

In a different way to someone like Mallya or Fernandes, yes. Williams, Sauber, Ferrari and McLaren exist to race. Ferrari is infamous for selling road cars simply to fund the F1 team. McLaren started out as a racing team before branching out - and would not exist or hold such a reputation in the industry without that. Williams have branched out to avoid the team going under after BMW's unceremonious departure. Peter Sauber is just a racing nut, and Monisha Kaltenborn is much the same. They are, first and foremost, racers.

But why car manufacture can't be considered as a racer? Car manufacture is just sponsor and owner. Drivers always do some pr stuff. It can be promoting luxury watches or Toyota cars. Just another pr exercise. Where is the difference? Just because it's car manufacture they can't be considered racers? Actually the first races were to promote cars. See what Peguot or Renault did in 19th century. Just because 80s and 70s were "garage era", it doesn't mean it is the only "true" form of racing.

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Banana Man wrote:
Aston Martin
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Lambo
Spyker (just for the colour scheme)
Would also like to see Honda, BMW, Ford and Audi/VW as engine suppliers, just for a bit of variety.

Imagine a grid of:

Red Bull - Renault
Ferrari - Ferrari
McLaren - Honda
Lotus - Renault
Mercedes - Mercedes
Lamborghini - VW
Sauber - Ferrari
Spyker - BMW
Jaguar - Ford
Aston Martin - Prodrive
Force India - Mercedes
Williams - Renault
Caterham - Renault

Torro Rosso and Marussia can sod off.

Just a quick correction, Spyker cars use Audi engines.


Anyway, a company like Hyundai would be good to have.
There'd be no historical baggage like with other marques and the South Korean economy isn't as much in the shit as Europe and US, so they have more spare money for a motorsport project.


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Banana Man wrote:
Aston Martin
Jaguar
Lambo
Spyker (just for the colour scheme)
Would also like to see Honda, BMW, Ford and Audi/VW as engine suppliers, just for a bit of variety.

Imagine a grid of:

Red Bull - Renault
Ferrari - Ferrari
McLaren - Honda
Lotus - Renault
Mercedes - Mercedes
Lamborghini - VW
Sauber - Ferrari
Spyker - BMW
Jaguar - Ford
Aston Martin - Prodrive
Force India - Mercedes
Williams - Renault
Caterham - Renault

Torro Rosso and Marussia can sod off.


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dizlexik wrote:
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So they are all marketing executives. Right?

In a different way to someone like Mallya or Fernandes, yes. Williams, Sauber, Ferrari and McLaren exist to race. Ferrari is infamous for selling road cars simply to fund the F1 team. McLaren started out as a racing team before branching out - and would not exist or hold such a reputation in the industry without that. Williams have branched out to avoid the team going under after BMW's unceremonious departure. Peter Sauber is just a racing nut, and Monisha Kaltenborn is much the same. They are, first and foremost, racers.

But why car manufacture can't be considered as a racer? Car manufacture is just sponsor and owner. Drivers always do some pr stuff. It can be promoting luxury watches or Toyota cars. Just another pr exercise. Where is the difference? Just because it's car manufacture they can't be considered racers? Actually the first races were to promote cars. See what Peguot or Renault did in 19th century. Just because 80s and 70s were "garage era", it doesn't mean it is the only "true" form of racing.

Aside from Ferrari, manufacturers have come and gone depending on economic and market conditions. The real racers are the ones who stuck it out regardless, for the love of racing. Not exclusively garagistas, but they tend to fit the bill better. Sadly today's F1 is too expensive for them to continue without branching out.

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Tufty wrote:
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So they are all marketing executives. Right?

In a different way to someone like Mallya or Fernandes, yes. Williams, Sauber, Ferrari and McLaren exist to race. Ferrari is infamous for selling road cars simply to fund the F1 team. McLaren started out as a racing team before branching out - and would not exist or hold such a reputation in the industry without that. Williams have branched out to avoid the team going under after BMW's unceremonious departure. Peter Sauber is just a racing nut, and Monisha Kaltenborn is much the same. They are, first and foremost, racers.

But why car manufacture can't be considered as a racer? Car manufacture is just sponsor and owner. Drivers always do some pr stuff. It can be promoting luxury watches or Toyota cars. Just another pr exercise. Where is the difference? Just because it's car manufacture they can't be considered racers? Actually the first races were to promote cars. See what Peguot or Renault did in 19th century. Just because 80s and 70s were "garage era", it doesn't mean it is the only "true" form of racing.

Aside from Ferrari, manufacturers have come and gone depending on economic and market conditions. The real racers are the ones who stuck it out regardless, for the love of racing. Not exclusively garagistas, but they tend to fit the bill better. Sadly today's F1 is too expensive for them to continue without branching out.

Sauber is 4th oldest team. It 1995, the rest was created in mid 2000s. Others changed ownership many times. The old F1 team is anomaly.

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dizlexik wrote:
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None.

I prefer old-style true racers than marketing executives.

Nowadays are there any old-style true races in F1?


Yes, there are.

Ferrari, McLaren, Williams, and Sauber are all racing in F1 just for the sake of it and because it 's what they have been doing for years. Yeah, I know that Ferrari (and to a lesser extent McLaren) is also a car manufacturer, bur they were in F1 before the Championship existed and F1 is a fundamental and strategical part of their core business, not just an advertising tool. In all four cases, F1 racing is their main reason to exist, that's what I'd call anl old-time style teams.

Lotus, Force India, Red Bull and Toro Rosso are toys in the hands of billionaires, just like there were privateer teams (like Rob Walker's) in the old times, so they could also fit the bill.

Mercedes and Caterham are the teams that you could classify as "Manufacturer's teams", but what makes them different? They only have a very loose relationship with their mother manufacturers, other than some stickers in their bodywork and driver's overalls. Think that not even the Mercedes engine is properly a "Mercedes engine", it's just badge engineering.

Mercedes and Caterham having a Formula 1 team is only a marketing exercise that some board executives decided because it had a better brand exposure per invested euro than sponsoring the UEFA Champions League, like Ford does. The day another executive will decide otherwise, they'll quit and will go to the America Cup, like BMW did.

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Maserati :) or Alfa Romeo

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chevrolet, mitsubishi, nissan, ford.

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Being a Volkswagen owner, I'd like to see VAG buy into Sauber like BMW did. However I really do miss having BMW around, BMW-Sauber was my favourite team by far before the they pulled out, I guess I can say Sauber is still my favourite out of all the teams, but they need another manufacturer to buy into them again.


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I'd Like Alfa Romeo, just because i'd love to see bits fall off it as the race progresses.

in all seriousness, i reckon VAG could use one of there brands to sponser a team. seeing them buy a team could end badly, as we've seen with Sauber and Williams. i kinda miss Spyker too.

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chevrolet, mitsubishi, nissan, ford.


So you mainly want to see the safety car? :-P


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This, but I cant see it happening as they dominate the endurance races so they would see no major benefit from joining F1. Shame

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VAG group and BMW.

The VAG group have plenty of great brands to choose... Audi, Lamborghini, Bugatti, Porsche and Bentley...

Lol vag..... Sounds rude

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