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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:12 pm 
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Heres a thing though if F1 was to race at an oval like the Indy. Would they be able due to the dirty air F1 cars produce?

If you think about it the dirty air even in low downforce trim affects the cars behind. On an oval you need to slipstream to overtake. with the dirty air you would never be able to stay close enough I think. Would they be able too?

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Heres a thing though if F1 was to race at an oval like the Indy. Would they be able due to the dirty air F1 cars produce?

If you think about it the dirty air even in low downforce trim affects the cars behind. On an oval you need to slipstream to overtake. with the dirty air you would never be able to stay close enough I think. Would they be able too?

Every type of car causes dirty air, and any sort of car utilising downforce at all suffers from this. It is not F1 specific, even in NASCAR they talk about it being a problem.

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toilet wrote:
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Heres a thing though if F1 was to race at an oval like the Indy. Would they be able due to the dirty air F1 cars produce?

If you think about it the dirty air even in low downforce trim affects the cars behind. On an oval you need to slipstream to overtake. with the dirty air you would never be able to stay close enough I think. Would they be able too?

Every type of car causes dirty air, and any sort of car utilising downforce at all suffers from this. It is not F1 specific, even in NASCAR they talk about it being a problem.



Yes but in some formulas it is more prevalent than others. IIRC because of the ground effect and skinny wings it doesn't affect Indy on ovals as much as it would on a F1 car with a similar levels as downforce.

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Yes but in some formulas it is more prevalent than others. IIRC because of the ground effect and skinny wings it doesn't affect Indy on ovals as much as it would on a F1 car with a similar levels as downforce.

Sorry, it sounded like you were implying that only F1 cars have that issue.

Indeed ground effect is less affected by dirty air issues, but Indycars generate far less downforce than F1 cars anyway, so although F1 cars would "loose" a higher proportion of their downforce, it's more than likely that they'd still have more than Indycars.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:53 pm 
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If they loose a hiogh proportion of their Downforce then they wouldn't make the corners.

Remember in fast corners like 130R and parabolica they are about on the limit of their grip and The top speed is still lower than an Indy.

So if they dropped the wing to get the extra speed, they loose downforce obviously.Would they be able to turn on an oval. I think thats the question

As for the indy producing less DF I'm not sure I read a think the other day that said an F1 car at 190MPH is basically double it's weight. So thats something like 1400LBs. From an Indy test at Iowa apparently.

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If I am right that's 1500lbs at 180mph.

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On Monza, they'll go 370 km/u (low downforce, highspeed setup) whereas on e.g. Abu Dhabi they would hit about 320.

Not any more they won't. The v8's just hannae got the power captain (as scotty would say)


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:18 pm 
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TheMegajay1982 wrote:
On Monza, they'll go 370 km/u (low downforce, highspeed setup) whereas on e.g. Abu Dhabi they would hit about 320.

Not any more they won't. The v8's just hannae got the power captain (as scotty would say)

http://www.thef1times.com/news/display/04416

01 Sergio Pérez Sauber-Ferrari 349.2 km/h
02 Bruno Senna Renault 347.2 km/h
03 Vitaly Petrov Renault 344.8 km/h
04 Felipe Massa Ferrari 342.3 km/h
05 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 342.2 km/h
06 Sébastien Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari 341.9 km/h
07 Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari 341.8 km/h
08 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 341.7 km/h
09 Rubens Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 340.4 km/h
10 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Cosworth 340.2 km/h
11 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 339.5 km/h
12 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 339.3 km/h
13 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 338.7 km/h
14 Michael Schumacher Mercedes 338.7 km/h
15 Jérôme d'Ambrosio Virgin-Cosworth 336.7 km/h
16 Timo Glock Virgin-Cosworth 336.6 km/h
17 Daniel Ricciardo HRT-Cosworth 336.2 km/h
18 Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 336.1 km/h
19 Vitantonio Liuzzi HRT-Cosworth 335.7 km/h
20 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 333.1 km/h
21 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 332.7 km/h
22 Jarno Trulli Lotus-Renault 331.8 km/h
23 Heikki Kovalainen Lotus-Renault 331.8 km/h
24 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 327.7 km/h

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:36 pm 
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F1 is/was on a different level......But I loved champ cars from mid 90s on , they looked like real beasts and the racing was absolute amazing


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:56 pm 
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Johnston wrote:
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On Monza, they'll go 370 km/u (low downforce, highspeed setup) whereas on e.g. Abu Dhabi they would hit about 320.

Not any more they won't. The v8's just hannae got the power captain (as scotty would say)

http://www.thef1times.com/news/display/04416

01 Sergio Pérez Sauber-Ferrari 349.2 km/h
02 Bruno Senna Renault 347.2 km/h
03 Vitaly Petrov Renault 344.8 km/h
04 Felipe Massa Ferrari 342.3 km/h
05 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 342.2 km/h
06 Sébastien Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari 341.9 km/h
07 Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari 341.8 km/h
08 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 341.7 km/h
09 Rubens Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 340.4 km/h
10 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Cosworth 340.2 km/h
11 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 339.5 km/h
12 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 339.3 km/h
13 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 338.7 km/h
14 Michael Schumacher Mercedes 338.7 km/h
15 Jérôme d'Ambrosio Virgin-Cosworth 336.7 km/h
16 Timo Glock Virgin-Cosworth 336.6 km/h
17 Daniel Ricciardo HRT-Cosworth 336.2 km/h
18 Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 336.1 km/h
19 Vitantonio Liuzzi HRT-Cosworth 335.7 km/h
20 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 333.1 km/h
21 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 332.7 km/h
22 Jarno Trulli Lotus-Renault 331.8 km/h
23 Heikki Kovalainen Lotus-Renault 331.8 km/h
24 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 327.7 km/h


Not 370 though is it.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:08 am 
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I know thats why I posted speed traps. 2011 I think.

Just to back it up with numbers ;)

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:04 am 
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vince14 wrote:
On a 'road course'? - F1 is faster
On an oval? - Indycar is faster

The last time F1 and Indycar shared a circuit in the same season was 2006 at Montreal. F1 pole was Alonso in 1:14.942, while Sébastien Bourdais set pole in 1:20.005 in Champ Car. The fastest lap in the F1 race was 1:15.841 by Räikkönen, while Bourdais' fastest lap was 1:22.325 in the Champ Car race.

But max speed in F1 is only about 220mph, and that's only on the long straights. On an oval, an Indycar will do 240mph+ consistently for every lap.


But being that F1 cars can get up to 220mph in a straight while indy cars take a couple of laps to do 230 i believe an F1 car could out run an indy car if they geared it for whatever oval they put it on. and of course all the other proper setup.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:20 am 
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an f1 car would probably be flat around every oval the indycars race at.

indy is slower these days. around 1996 to 2002 champcars were quick. now they suck


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