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Ev0lutionz

Post subject: Vettel won against all odds?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:36 pm

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Usually its the Australian winner that wins the WDC? anyone realize? Or the first race winner. He didnt win that in 2010 or 2012 and yet he won the WDC..

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potter84

Post subject: Re: Vettel won against all odds?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:40 pm

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Wtf... Is this what threads we are resorting to now trying to coax responses out of people. Yes vettel won without winning the first race. Just means McLaren were faster out the blocks than red bull but that they develop a hell of a lot better.

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Herbalist

Post subject: Re: Vettel won against all odds?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:43 pm

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OMG OMG OMG SO VETTEL WAS THE UNDERDOG???!!!!

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Balibari

Post subject: Re: Vettel won against all odds?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:44 pm

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EDIT

On second thoughts... no.

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jammin78

Post subject: Re: Vettel won against all odds?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:45 pm

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Balibari wrote:

EDIT

On second thoughts... no.

EDIT: Damn you Balibari! I had that picture lined up for your comment. Grrrr!

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F1yer

Post subject: Re: Vettel won against all odds?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:47 pm

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Yes - he won despite his car not being able to challenge the Macs

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ashley313

Post subject: Re: Vettel won against all odds?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:47 pm

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Actually, the interesting stat there is that Jenson won the first and last race. Have a look at that, and think about what it means...

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ManicOversteer

Post subject: Re: Vettel won against all odds?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:52 pm

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Some previous winners of the Melbourne Grand Prix

2012: Button
2010: Button
2005: Fisichella
2003: Coulthard
1999: Irvine
1997: Coulthard

All of which did not win the championship that year.

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RunningMan

Post subject: Re: Vettel won against all odds?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:10 pm

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Not really. A more interesting "stat" is whoever wins the Hungarian GP very rarely goes on to take the championship that year. At least in recent times

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Year                     Winner                           Champion
2012                     Hamilton                          Vettel
2011                     Button                            Vettel 
2010                     Webber                           Vettel 
2009                     Hamilton                          Button
2008                     Kovalainen                       Hamilton 
2007                     Hamilton                          Raikkonen 
2006                      Button                            Alonso

I'm sure someone can go back further, but those are the ones I can remember for certain off the top of my head.

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Rocket_Red

Post subject: Re: Vettel won against all odds?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:19 pm

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ashley313 wrote:

Actually, the interesting stat there is that Jenson won the first and last race. Have a look at that, and think about what it means...

McLaren had the predominantly fastest car all season (Bar a slight blip around Silverstone) - Just a fast car is nothing if it keeps breaking

Shame really would've been even better with 3/4 going for the WDC

As they say - To finish 1st, first you have to finish

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SnakeSVT2003

Post subject: Re: Vettel won against all odds?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:22 pm

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Herbalist wrote:

OMG OMG OMG SO VETTEL WAS THE UNDERDOG???!!!!

I thought herbalists were supposed to be laid back?

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ynot22

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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:31 pm

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These misleading gotcha titles are getting old real fast. Just title your OP accurately and stop trying to bait people.

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Johnston

Post subject: Re: Vettel won against all odds?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:39 pm

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I used to be that the leader of the WDC after something like 6 races won the WDC that year.

I think 2010 and 2012 have been he only recent exceptions to that rule.

Edit '07 is only the third occasion it didn't happen going back to '89 with that one.

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ashley313

Post subject: Re: Vettel won against all odds?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:45 pm

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Rocket_Red wrote:

ashley313 wrote:

Actually, the interesting stat there is that Jenson won the first and last race. Have a look at that, and think about what it means...

Yeah, they need to have a look at why they are failing to win titles with strong cars, strong drivers, an impressive bench, and plenty of money. What are they tripping over?

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SnakeSVT2003

Post subject: Re: Vettel won against all odds?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:47 pm

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ashley313 wrote:

Rocket_Red wrote:

ashley313 wrote:

Actually, the interesting stat there is that Jenson won the first and last race. Have a look at that, and think about what it means...

Yeah, they need to have a look at why they are failing to win titles with strong cars, strong drivers, an impressive bench, and plenty of money. What are they tripping over?

Whitmarsh. :twisted:

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crespo

Post subject: Re: Vettel won against all odds?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:44 pm

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Having a car that can win you 4 in a row != "against all odds"

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Laura23

Post subject: Re: Vettel won against all odds?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:56 pm

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RunningMan wrote:

Not really. A more interesting "stat" is whoever wins the Hungarian GP very rarely goes on to take the championship that year. At least in recent times

Code:

Year                     Winner                           Champion
2012                     Hamilton                          Vettel
2011                     Button                            Vettel 
2010                     Webber                           Vettel 
2009                     Hamilton                          Button
2008                     Kovalainen                       Hamilton 
2007                     Hamilton                          Raikkonen 
2006                      Button                            Alonso

I'm sure someone can go back further, but those are the ones I can remember for certain off the top of my head.

2005 Raikkonen won the race, Alonso the title.
2003 Alonso won the race, Schumacher the title.
2000 Hakkinen the race, Schumacher the title.
1998 Schumacher race, Hakkinen title.
1995 Hill race, Schumacher title.
1993 Hill race, Prost title.

Then again we could probably do the same for any race and similar patterns would emerge at many.

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MclarenBullet

Post subject: Re: Vettel won against all odds?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:59 pm

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This forum is getting worse, seriously what is this thread?

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mds

Post subject: Re: Vettel won against all odds?

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:28 am

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This thread reminded me of an XKCD comic. It's about the American elections, but it's applicable here too

http://xkcd.com/1122/

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froze

Post subject: Re: Vettel won against all odds?

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:51 am

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Oz is just one race. What difference does it make? Why doesn't the Monaco winner win the WDC?

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Teddy007

Post subject: Re: Vettel won against all odds?

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:46 am

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Herbalist wrote:

OMG OMG OMG SO VETTEL WAS THE UNDERDOG???!!!!

lol

This sums it up really, add more sarcasm though.

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mcdo

Post subject: Re: Vettel won against all odds?

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:17 am

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mds wrote:

This thread reminded me of an XKCD comic. It's about the American elections, but it's applicable here too

http://xkcd.com/1122/

I have to laugh at the Obama one.

"No Democrat can win without Missouri"

I think there's a WAY more obvious statement that they elected not to use.

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Zekenwolf

Post subject: Re: Vettel won against all odds?

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:43 am

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Can someone please close this stupid, meaningless thread? It is setting up needless arguement.

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diablof1

Post subject: Re: Vettel won against all odds?

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:19 pm

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Ev0lutionz wrote:

Usually its the Australian winner that wins the WDC? anyone realize? Or the first race winner. He didnt win that in 2010 or 2012 and yet he won the WDC..

You must be joking for sure. :uhoh:

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