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Sentiment shared by most people, I would say.

I agree

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All Time Favorite: Ayrton Senna

Others: Damon Hill
Montoya

Current: Lewis Hamilition

Can you guess who he was talking about in the last one?

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

Nick Fry is used to making silly statements in the off season.I remember before the start of the 2007 season he boasted that honda will win races and may even be in contention for the championship.We all know how well that turned out.

Jenson and Rubens?

Yup



At the end of '07 Ross Brawn was the final part needed.

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

m'eh think he's right but said in the same way as most of his other off season statements ... not surprising

At that point in time he was right about the first part.

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"I am a believer, but I start each Grand Prix with 195 liters of fuel behind me," he explains. "I don't rely entirely on God, I rely on Prost."

I'd say he was right about both parts! even if the year he was talking about was 2007 Lewis was still unknown

He's correct.

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Driver Instructor & Test Driver

I'd say he was right about both parts! even if the year he was talking about was 2007 Lewis was still unknown[/quote]
Didn't barrichello join in 2006? The Raikkonen/Montoya pairing was far better going into 2006.Even Alonso/fisico was better.

Maybe Raikkonen/Montoya. but not Alonso/Fisi

Jenson and Rubens are both good and consistent. Jenson is certainly among the best and Rubens can keep up most of the time.

I see you're making progress. You're actually agreeing Vettel might be just as good as Alonso and Hamilton. That's huge, coming from you.

Seems to be the prevailing opinion

In 2007 the best and strongest driver pairings were indeed Raikkonen/Massa and Alonso/Hamilton and they duked it out between them in the 4 Ferraris. Everyone else was a distant 2nd. Personally I'd put Sato/Davidson ahead of Barrichello/Button and some others would place 1 or 2 other pairings ahead of them as well. In the end after the first 4 everything else depends on personal opinion.

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Second place is the first loser!

They're all amazing drivers. Vettel is incredible but as is Formula 1, the respect is earned when you win without the best machinery. That's why Schumacher is #4 on the BBC's list. What Vettel did in Brazil this year to win the title should really have shut everyone up. Alonso is also terrific but in Sao Paolo, it was Massa who was excelling. Alonso needed one more place and he couldn't find it. Both are top of the field, but to say Vettel isn't better because of the car, really is unfair. Give credit where credit is due.

People (Nick Fry, and everyone else me included) are tired of one team always winning, just like Ferrari's run with Schumi. We want to see others win and create rivalries. But to say they are not the best, totally unfair. Seb won 3 straight titles, he is the man until he is not. End of story.

No suprises there.





Rubbish.

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HAMILTON/ALONSO/RAIKONNEN/VETTEL

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HAMILTON/ALONSO/RAIKONNEN/VETTEL

Look Vettel is young maybe one day he will challenge Alonso/Hamilton by joining one of there teams.

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So Fry is saying: "my driver is the best one, as is the driver that equalled his result in the same car in 2007".

I see totally no conflict of interest.

I think the point I would add to this is who could beat Alonso or Hamilton in the same machinery out of the current grid.
I think no one on the current grid could match Alonso over say 3/4 seasons accept Hamilton (in the same car)
I think no one on the current grid could match Hamilton over say 3/4 seasons accept Alonso (in the same car).

I think until Alonso & Hamilton go head to head over 3/4 seasons its difficult to know which one will come out on top.

My gut feeling Hamilton would come out on top due to his sheer raw speed in qualifying and starting higher up the grid in most races.

So Fry can't offer an honest view because Lewis is moving to Merc?

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In 2006 you could as well think the Button/Rubens pairing was one of the best ones... Rubens was still a top driver and Button as well.

YES, absolutely no one. you are 100% correct. i have never heard of a driver that can match Lewis over a period of 3 season. EVER<<<<<< Fact



P.S it should be except not accept

I'm not necessarily implying that. It's just pretty logical Fry is saying this. He contracted Hamilton, so obviously he believes he's damn good (I do too, by the way). But I also believe if it had been Vettel going that way, you'd hear him naming Vettel and Alonso to be the best. Showing confidence gives confidence, and that's what you want in a racing driver.

I agree with Hamilton and Alonso as the best drivers, but I would also include Vettel. Vettel was also great. He did reasonably good job in second part of 2008 then in 2011 he showed that he can dominate and in 2012 he showed that he can win WDC in not the fastest car and fight against the odds (Abu Dhabi and Brazil were one of his best races in his career). In Abu Dhabi he onece again showed that he isn't crash kid anymore. In Brazil he raced with extremely high pressure, everything that could go wrong went wrong and expect for start and first lap he didn't make any mistakes. He made absolute maximum in damaged car in wet conditions and won the title. We will never decide who is better: Alonso, Hamilton or Vettel, but Vettel is certainly one of at least 3 best drivers currently in F1.

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2012 Planet F1 Prediction Competition Champion

The redbull was the best car overall in 2012. Abu Dhabi he nearly took out riccardo and Brazil he swiped senna and those are his best races

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Racing incidents (T4 Brazil) happen. It's how Vettel dealed with the conditions that made his race remarkable.

Take Spa, what negatives are you going to find for Vettels race there?

McLaren was the fastest. Sure McLaren made man mistakes, but still Vettel had to make the best of of his car every time to take advantage of McLaren mistakes and he was racing Alonso too.

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2012 Planet F1 Prediction Competition Champion

So despite Button and Rubens not being rated on the board are you saying both in 2006 (Before buttons turn of form and before his first win) was better than a WDC?

Remember in 2006 we had Kimi/Montoya, schui/massa.

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

Seriously, cant we just have one big "Argue about who the best driver is and why" thread? Or would its enormity and ridiculousness break the internet?

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I dunno about that.

Vettel is a pretty special talent regardless of having the best car or not and I think he proved fair and square he is able to do things in a car that others cannot. Toro Rosso and then Red Bull. Sure some things might not be to his ideal liking and play to his strengths, but he has shown he is good enough to be able to adapt to the situation and push the car and himself past the limits of others in the same car. This is the same as Hamilton and Alonso though I'd agree Hamilton MIGHT have the edge. As well, given he is in top form and a competitive package that suits his tastes, Massa I think has shown he can do the same, especially in late 2012. he was doing things in the Ferrari Alonso could not and literally yielded positions to him to help his campaign. Perhaps Raikkonen too but I'm not so convinced, though his consistency is insane when the car is right.

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Second place is the first loser!

Poor Nick, like some others, he cannot remember Seb in the STRF 2008. Perhaps he meant he didn't know whether Seb could win a title in 'not the best car' when it was still a 'challenging' car. That must be what he meant. Of course, neither Hamilton nor Alonso have won a title in 'not the best' car either. So whatever...

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Can't stand Nick Fry, he is just a complete and utter tool.

The best drivers in F1 are Hamilton, Alonso, Vettel and Kimi, that's a fact and anyway who say's otherwise are talking rubbish.

What seperates Alonso, Hamilton and i would say Kimi is they can win when the car isn't the best. Vettel still has to prove that yet, Jenson 100% can't and also other drivers would struggle.

But yet Jenson was able to win when Lewis couldn't.

What does that say

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

I can only assume your a major button fan or a major Lewis hater. Fact is statics lie, and even Jensen button himself would have a hard time arguing that Lewis wouldn't of beaten him by a considerable amount if it wasn't for reliability out of Lewis control. In fact one driver would of probably one the world championship if it wasn't for reliability, where as the over was trailing far behind the cars capability with a much better reliability (I'm not saying pefefect)

When a driver wins in a car that is not the fastest, its because others ahead have made mistakes, been victims of crashes, or had a reliability failure. No driver can magically make a car faster than it is - if its suddenly faster than its competitors, its the best car on that day.

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

[/quote]Take Spa, what negatives are you going to find for Vettels race there?[/quote]
That's where the 'vettel blitzing from pole to flag' argument comes in.