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Has any F1 driver driven for 2 or more teams in the same season? I can't think of any and it's annoying me looking at F1 2012 and the possibility of switching teams mid-season. Also what happens to the scoreboard should that driver win the championship? is it split between the two teams or just the last team they drove for. I.E if I drove for Lotus and then Mclaren (say 10 races each) and I won the WDC, who would I win it for?


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:39 pm 
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Well, you don't win a driver's title FOR a team, you win it for yourself.

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doesn't happen these days other than at the young driver tests, look up Fangio and when he won his championships though.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:42 pm 
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Fisichella for Force India and Ferrari in 2009
Vettel for BMW and Torro Rosso in 2007
Trulli for Renault and Toyota in 2004

driver's totals from both teams count towards one total
points scored for a specific team count towards that team's total


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:48 pm 
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Fisichella for Force India and Ferrari in 2009
Vettel for BMW and Torro Rosso in 2007
Trulli for Renault and Toyota in 2004

driver's totals from both teams count towards one total
points scored for a specific team count towards that team's total


..and the reason why all £££ is handed out by WCC position and not WDC standings.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:49 pm 
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Schumacher '91

Sebastian Vettel in '07

Are two that come off the top of my head.

Edit Frentzen in 01 and 02.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:02 pm 
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2003 Justine Wilson Minardi & Jaguar
2002 Frentzen - Arrows & Sauber


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Ronnie Peterson for Lotus and March in 1976. Not very uncommon this.


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Phil Hill 1960?


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Mario Andretti did it a few times.

In 1976, he raced for Lotus and Parnelli Jones' F1 team.

In 1982, he raced for Williams and Ferrari.


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antz182 wrote:
Has any F1 driver driven for 2 or more teams in the same season? I can't think of any and it's annoying me looking at F1 2012 and the possibility of switching teams mid-season. Also what happens to the scoreboard should that driver win the championship? is it split between the two teams or just the last team they drove for. I.E if I drove for Lotus and then Mclaren (say 10 races each) and I won the WDC, who would I win it for?
Codies copied the idea from an old game called "Super Monaco GP", in which you started in a Minarae and had to make your way through the field defeating other drivers and taking over their seats... Millions, Firenze, Bestowal, Bullets, Dardan... Gotta love those unlicensed F1 games.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:32 pm 
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I am pretty sure there was a driver driving for 3 teams in one season NOT that long ago, can't remember who :(


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antz182 wrote:
Has any F1 driver driven for 2 or more teams in the same season? I can't think of any and it's annoying me looking at F1 2012 and the possibility of switching teams mid-season. Also what happens to the scoreboard should that driver win the championship? is it split between the two teams or just the last team they drove for. I.E if I drove for Lotus and then Mclaren (say 10 races each) and I won the WDC, who would I win it for?
Codies copied the idea from an old game called "Super Monaco GP", in which you started in a Minarae and had to make your way through the field defeating other drivers and taking over their seats... Millions, Firenze, Bestowal, Bullets, Dardan... Gotta love those unlicensed F1 games.


I LOVED that game!

Anyway add to the topic how about Salo in 99 BAR and Ferrari or Herbert in 94, Ligier, Benetton and Lotus?


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If I dominated a season, I'd just change over to a backmarker for the last couple races to say I ~technically~ won it in a backmarker team


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G1n wrote:
I am pretty sure there was a driver driving for 3 teams in one season NOT that long ago, can't remember who :(


Roberto Moreno in 1991. Benetton, Jordan, Minardi.


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Beat this! In same race driving for two teams; may I present to you, ladies and gentleman, Harald Ertl!

To make the long story short this is what Wiki says: "For a few races in 1978, Ertl entered with Ensign, but things were even worse there, with the cars failing to finish or even to pre-qualify, like in the 1978 Italian Grand Prix. He got a chance on the spare car of German Team ATS but could not qualify that either."

Unfortunately, that unique event happen on that black day in Monza 1978, and to make things worse, Harald Ertl died in 1983 in a private small airplane accident in Germany, due to engine failure.

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Red Bull / Toro Rosso

Had DC in Red Bull & Klien & Liuzzi switched between teams several times in a year (can't remember full details)

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I wish they didn't have yearly contracts, I would have loved to see Kimi switch to McLaren and Hamilton to Merc with Schui leaving mid season. I feel like all these contracts waste the lives of these drivers.


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1954 Juan Manuel Fangio won the drivers championship whilst driving for Maserati in rounds 1-3 and Mercedes Benz in rounds 4-9.

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Lt. Drebin wrote:
Beat this! In same race driving for two teams; may I present to you, ladies and gentleman, Harald Ertl!

To make the long story short this is what Wiki says: "For a few races in 1978, Ertl entered with Ensign, but things were even worse there, with the cars failing to finish or even to pre-qualify, like in the 1978 Italian Grand Prix. He got a chance on the spare car of German Team ATS but could not qualify that either."

Unfortunately, that unique event happen on that black day in Monza 1978, and to make things worse, Harald Ertl died in 1983 in a private small airplane accident in Germany, due to engine failure.


You cannot mention Harald Ertl in a forum without posting a picture of his beard.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 7:57 am 
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sultanofhyd wrote:
Lt. Drebin wrote:
Beat this! In same race driving for two teams; may I present to you, ladies and gentleman, Harald Ertl!

To make the long story short this is what Wiki says: "For a few races in 1978, Ertl entered with Ensign, but things were even worse there, with the cars failing to finish or even to pre-qualify, like in the 1978 Italian Grand Prix. He got a chance on the spare car of German Team ATS but could not qualify that either."

Unfortunately, that unique event happen on that black day in Monza 1978, and to make things worse, Harald Ertl died in 1983 in a private small airplane accident in Germany, due to engine failure.


You cannot mention Harald Ertl in a forum without posting a picture of his beard.

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The beard is pretty good, but...
The mustache is awesome!

I don't have that much facial hair on my whole face.


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RaggedMan wrote:
sultanofhyd wrote:
Lt. Drebin wrote:
Beat this! In same race driving for two teams; may I present to you, ladies and gentleman, Harald Ertl!

To make the long story short this is what Wiki says: "For a few races in 1978, Ertl entered with Ensign, but things were even worse there, with the cars failing to finish or even to pre-qualify, like in the 1978 Italian Grand Prix. He got a chance on the spare car of German Team ATS but could not qualify that either."

Unfortunately, that unique event happen on that black day in Monza 1978, and to make things worse, Harald Ertl died in 1983 in a private small airplane accident in Germany, due to engine failure.


You cannot mention Harald Ertl in a forum without posting a picture of his beard.

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The beard is pretty good, but...
The mustache is awesome!

I don't have that much facial hair on my whole face.

I have had, but don't at the moment as the beard's short.

Back OT, plenty have driven for two teams in a year, more than that is less common. My favourite examples are Herbert in 1994 (for more than two), Ertl for two in one race weekend and both Frentzen and Alesi in 2001 effectively doing a seat swap so both driving for the same two teams.

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Red Bull / Toro Rosso

Had DC in Red Bull & Klien & Liuzzi switched between teams several times in a year (can't remember full details)

Luizzi and Kilen only drove for Red Bull in 2005. They seat shared. Red Bull didn't buy out Minardi until late 05, Toro Rosso entered in 2006. Luizzi switched to TR. Klien stayed on with Red Bull.

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huggybear wrote:
G1n wrote:
I am pretty sure there was a driver driving for 3 teams in one season NOT that long ago, can't remember who :(


Roberto Moreno in 1991. Benetton, Jordan, Minardi.


I can go later than 91.

I give you 1994 and Mr johnny Herbert.

Brazil - portugal. Lotus.
Europe. (jerez). Ligier.
Japan and Australia. Benetton.


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How many people drove for Jordan in its very first 4 years (91-93)?


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How many people drove for Jordan in its very first 4 years (91-93)?

13, 14 if you include Suzuki in 1994 when he stood in for Irvine. They settled down after that.

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Michael Schumacher once drove a Ferrari, Ligier, and Benetton in a very short space of time.


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Michael Schumacher once drove a Ferrari, Ligier, and Benetton in a very short space of time.

I wouldn't call 3 years a very shory space of time.

Herbert was 3 cars/teams in three races.

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Nelson Piquet raced for three different teams, in cars during the 1978 season...

1. His own team for the majority of the year in Fittipaldi-Ford,
2. "BS" Fabrications in Mclaren M23 at Austria, Holland & Italy,
3. Parmalat Racing, Brabham-Alfa Romeo at Watkins Glen.


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Nelson Piquet raced for three different teams, in cars during the 1978 season...

1. His own team for the majority of the year in Fittipaldi-Ford,
2. "BS" Fabrications in Mclaren M23 at Austria, Holland & Italy,
3. Parmalat Racing, Brabham-Alfa Romeo at Watkins Glen.

A lapsus of yours; he drove a single race in 1978 for Ensign, not Fittipaldi team, which was never in his ownership.

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Lt. Drebin wrote:
rife_hypocricy wrote:
Nelson Piquet raced for three different teams, in cars during the 1978 season...

1. Team Ensign, Ensign-Ford at West Germany,
2. "BS" Fabrications in Mclaren M23 at Austria, Holland & Italy,
3. Parmalat Racing, Brabham-Alfa Romeo at Watkins Glen.


A lapsus of yours; he drove a single race in 1978 for Ensign, not Fittipaldi team, which was never in his ownership.


Very good spot sir, I mixed up the Brazilian flag on wiki. :blush:

Still three different cars at three different races though.

Fail, fail, fail :uhoh:


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Laura23 wrote:
Rocket_Red wrote:
Red Bull / Toro Rosso

Had DC in Red Bull & Klien & Liuzzi switched between teams several times in a year (can't remember full details)

Luizzi and Kilen only drove for Red Bull in 2005. They seat shared. Red Bull didn't buy out Minardi until late 05, Toro Rosso entered in 2006. Luizzi switched to TR. Klien stayed on with Red Bull.


Yes that's what it was - thank you

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rife_hypocricy wrote:
Lt. Drebin wrote:
rife_hypocricy wrote:
Nelson Piquet raced for three different teams, in cars during the 1978 season...

1. Team Ensign, Ensign-Ford at West Germany,
2. "BS" Fabrications in Mclaren M23 at Austria, Holland & Italy,
3. Parmalat Racing, Brabham-Alfa Romeo at Watkins Glen.


A lapsus of yours; he drove a single race in 1978 for Ensign, not Fittipaldi team, which was never in his ownership.


Very good spot sir, I mixed up the Brazilian flag on wiki. :blush:

Still three different cars at three different races though.

Fail, fail, fail :uhoh:

Cheer up, that happens to anyone, anytime :)

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Just realized Shumi went from Jordan after one race to, that counts right?

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Just realized Shumi went from Jordan after one race to, that counts right?
Flavio had always been prone to steal drivers from Eddie =d


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Laura23 wrote:
Eva09 wrote:
Michael Schumacher once drove a Ferrari, Ligier, and Benetton in a very short space of time.

I wouldn't call 3 years a very shory space of time.

Herbert was 3 cars/teams in three races.


maybe he meant in testing?


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Has any driver won for two teams in one season?


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Has any driver won for two teams in one season?



Fangio in 1954 for Maserati & Mercedes.

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G1n wrote:
Laura23 wrote:
Eva09 wrote:
Michael Schumacher once drove a Ferrari, Ligier, and Benetton in a very short space of time.

I wouldn't call 3 years a very shory space of time.

Herbert was 3 cars/teams in three races.


maybe he meant in testing?

Nope. Schuey drive the Liger in 94, Benetton in 95 and Ferrari in 96.

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