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Author:  Haribo [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Button: Lack of pace cost us the title

Johnston wrote:
Haribo wrote:
Yes, because everyone is allowed to discuss about, without being a metereologist



Bet your GP loves you.

GP? What is a GP?

Author:  Johnston [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Button: Lack of pace cost us the title

Haribo wrote:
Johnston wrote:
Haribo wrote:
Yes, because everyone is allowed to discuss about, without being a metereologist



Bet your GP loves you.

GP?



doctor.

Author:  Haribo [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Button: Lack of pace cost us the title

Johnston wrote:
Haribo wrote:
Johnston wrote:
Haribo wrote:
Yes, because everyone is allowed to discuss about, without being a metereologist



Bet your GP loves you.

GP?



doctor.

What doctor?

Author:  Johnston [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Button: Lack of pace cost us the title

obviously you missed the joke.

Author:  Haribo [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Button: Lack of pace cost us the title

Johnston wrote:
obviously you missed the joke.

I highly doubt it was a "joke". Whatever it meant in your language, IMo it had nothing to do with this topic. So it was irrelevant nonetheless.

Author:  ashley313 [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Button: Lack of pace cost us the title

A big difference between motorsport and other sports is that anybody can go out and play a game of football, basketball, hockey. Anybody can learn to play, usually in school. Not everyone can go out and drive a racing car, work with engineers, enjoy the benefits of data logging, etc. I've always believed thats one of the reasons complicated forms of racing aren't huge in the States, but anyway...

I didn't say you need experience to discuss driving style and data analysis, but without it, I don't know how you'd have much basis to form opinions. If I'm talking about a field which is largely foreign to me, I try not to stand too firmly on an opinion, and instead consider those of folks who do have experience, so that I can learn. Its also just really hard to have meaningful discussion when people have differing levels of experience and steadfast opinions.

Author:  Haribo [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Button: Lack of pace cost us the title

ashley313 wrote:
A big difference between motorsport and other sports is that anybody can go out and play a game of football, basketball, hockey. Anybody can learn to play, usually in school. Not everyone can go out and drive a racing car, work with engineers, enjoy the benefits of data logging, etc. I've always believed thats one of the reasons complicated forms of racing aren't huge in the States, but anyway...

I didn't say you need experience to discuss driving style and data analysis, but without it, I don't know how you'd have much basis to form opinions. If I'm talking about a field which is largely foreign to me, I try not to stand too firmly on an opinion, and instead consider those of folks who do have experience, so that I can learn. Its also just really hard to have meaningful discussion when people have differing levels of experience and steadfast opinions.

This is the crux of common internet Forums

Author:  pokerman [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Button: Lack of pace cost us the title

Haribo wrote:
Johnston wrote:
Haribo wrote:
Johnston wrote:
Haribo wrote:
Yes, because everyone is allowed to discuss about, without being a metereologist



Bet your GP loves you.

GP?



doctor.

What doctor?

This feels like one of the doctor doctor jokes :lol:

Author:  ashley313 [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Button: Lack of pace cost us the title

Not really. Plenty of forum subjects neither rely on experience, or include the opportunity for massive differences in experience.

Author:  lamo [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Button: Lack of pace cost us the title

ashley313 wrote:
A big difference between motorsport and other sports is that anybody can go out and play a game of football, basketball, hockey. Anybody can learn to play, usually in school. Not everyone can go out and drive a racing car, work with engineers, enjoy the benefits of data logging, etc. I've always believed thats one of the reasons complicated forms of racing aren't huge in the States, but anyway...

I didn't say you need experience to discuss driving style and data analysis, but without it, I don't know how you'd have much basis to form opinions. If I'm talking about a field which is largely foreign to me, I try not to stand too firmly on an opinion, and instead consider those of folks who do have experience, so that I can learn. Its also just really hard to have meaningful discussion when people have differing levels of experience and steadfast opinions.


That's a little bit rich considering how easily you dismissed Paul opinion.

ashley313 wrote:
Not sure if Paul has eyes on enough telemetry to make that statement believable. Can't imagine all the teams would trust one individual to look at that and not spill any, intentionally or otherwise. Pirelli of course sees some things, but its many different people analyzing data collected from the teams...I'd be really surprised if Paul actually had evidence to back that up as more than an educated guess. I'll ask him though. Not about Lewis, but what type of data he sees.

Author:  lamo [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Button: Lack of pace cost us the title

ashley313 wrote:
A big difference between motorsport and other sports is that anybody can go out and play a game of football, basketball, hockey. Anybody can learn to play, usually in school. Not everyone can go out and drive a racing car, work with engineers, enjoy the benefits of data logging, etc. I've always believed thats one of the reasons complicated forms of racing aren't huge in the States, but anyway...

I didn't say you need experience to discuss driving style and data analysis, but without it, I don't know how you'd have much basis to form opinions. If I'm talking about a field which is largely foreign to me, I try not to stand too firmly on an opinion, and instead consider those of folks who do have experience, so that I can learn. Its also just really hard to have meaningful discussion when people have differing levels of experience and steadfast opinions.


That's a little bit rich considering how easily you dismissed Paul opinion. I am sure he is in a much better position to make those statements than anybody here or possibly anybody in F1 period.

ashley313 wrote:
Not sure if Paul has eyes on enough telemetry to make that statement believable. Can't imagine all the teams would trust one individual to look at that and not spill any, intentionally or otherwise. Pirelli of course sees some things, but its many different people analyzing data collected from the teams...I'd be really surprised if Paul actually had evidence to back that up as more than an educated guess. I'll ask him though. Not about Lewis, but what type of data he sees.

Author:  Haribo [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Button: Lack of pace cost us the title

ashley313 wrote:
Not really. Plenty of forum subjects neither rely on experience, or include the opportunity for massive differences in experience.

make an extra thread, go into the "In depth forum"

Author:  ashley313 [ Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Button: Lack of pace cost us the title

lamo wrote:

That's a little bit rich considering how easily you dismissed Paul opinion. I am sure he is in a much better position to make those statements than anybody here or possibly anybody in F1 period.

ashley313 wrote:
Not sure if Paul has eyes on enough telemetry to make that statement believable. Can't imagine all the teams would trust one individual to look at that and not spill any, intentionally or otherwise. Pirelli of course sees some things, but its many different people analyzing data collected from the teams...I'd be really surprised if Paul actually had evidence to back that up as more than an educated guess. I'll ask him though. Not about Lewis, but what type of data he sees.

"Not sure" and "I'll ask" doesn't constitute dismissal to me.

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