Covalent wrote:
sennafan24 wrote:
I think it may bother him down the line, all the whispers by critics are bound to whether they are based in truth or not. Whilst I agree comparing drivers is subjective, espicially when its different eras, I think regardless going against a high quality teamate or winning in a car that is not seen as head and shoulders above the rest will always help a drivers legacy.
Vettel will always have critics and skeptics. No matter what he does, they keep coming up with more "challenges" for him to "prove" himself. The fastest car stuff is ridiculous - nobody wins the WDC in a Sauber in this day and age. And then people try to say the STRF was equivalent to the RB cars - nonsense.
Then they say Webber is below par - but who has Alonso raced as a teammate that is not similarly "below par"? One can't count Hamilton as he was a rookie at the time - and he lost anyway. So holding Seb to a different standard is ridiculous.
Then there was the "only win from pole" and then he won from 2nd - "only win from front row" and then he won from 3rd "only win from first two rows" - now we are onto first 3 rows. It is again ever changing so that some argument remains and ridiculous.
Then there is 'can't pass from the midpack' - which he did, then 'can't pass from the back to a podium' - which he did. So now it is he can't pass from last to first place (you know, like Button did the one time - but Alonso and Hamilton never have). Double standards again - so ridiculous.
Anyway, as you can see, the requirements keep changing, so it makes the skeptics and critics look a little lost and their demands ridiculous.
Sebastian Vettel is a Formula One driver of his own making. He is not Alonso, Hamilton, Prost, Raikkonen, Button, Schumacher or Senna. Seb has his own style and his own way of winning. Whatever it is, why should he change or meet a bunch of challenges? His way works for him and has secured a place among the greats through his achievements at just 25 years old.
You can argue till you are blue in the face,
but you can't take away what he has achieved. If you don't like his method and manner, style and the legacy he is creating, then pick another driver, I say. There are plenty of drivers out there, someone for everybody.
I have give him a lot of credit if you scour the previous page. His wins in 2010 and 2012 required a lot of grit and talent.
I do not expect him to win in a Force India or anything, I just think a lot of the critics he gets comes from that he has had the best car in the sport for the past 3 years. I would like to see how he would do in say a Ferrari or Mclaren or any other team. I would have said the same about pretty much any driver on the grid if they had stayed with one top team for a long time.
I agree on people at times always coming up with ways to discredit him, the Abi-Dhabi example that even annoyed me. And there are a lot of double standards he faces, no question.
The thread however is comparing him to Senna, who won multiple races (not championships) in slower cars and won a Championship against a all time great as a teamate. As you said his way works for him, I am just offering ways that would silence the skeptics and critics.
I prefer Lewis and Alonso, and think they are better, but I would not try and discredit Vettel and what he has achieved. He is a very hard working, talented and patient driver.
I also think he is comes across as a nice guy as well. I think all drivers current or present face skeptics and challenges, Vettel does get demonized more than others though, I will give you that.
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