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Marko never says Webber won't be driving for them next year. He also never says he wants him out. He says Webber must improve, or that he's made mistakes. That's just putting pressure on him to conform and do what he wants. A warning shot.

Do you have any examples of Marko not "getting what he wants" or the team going against his advice? He doesn't lobby for things publicly so I don't know how you could.

You don't see RBR doing home runs to honor Christian and Adrian in their hometowns do you? The team also gets a lot of flack whenever Marko opens his mouth, surely if Christian had ultimate control he'd shut him up or send him packing? Adrian is busy enough doing the car, do you think he has time for liaising between the team and the check book? I don't. I think he tells Christian and HM what he wants and they get it for him. Marko put the team together, he isn't just some crazy old man who spouts nonsense and holds Seb's hand.

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I posted a link earlier on of Marko once again shooting his mouth off about Webber not driving in 2012.

As for the not getting what he wants. How about the #1 status for Seb?

As for getting the team together, Arden already had ties to Red Bull and as you know a lot of the guys are there from the Stewart Jag days. In another thread Coulthard gets the credit for Newey.

Newey didn't get a street run, He got given a car instead.

I also didn't say Christian has Ultimate control. Just he runs the team. Ultimate control goes to DM of course. Of Course Marko has his ear but like I said it's horner and Newey that make the decisions.

Who actually runs the team?

If he is so influential in the team, how come he does not appear in things like the Red Bull Website? Can you give one example of his supposed managerial clout? Because all I can see is a team ran by Horner and Newey.

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

I don't see any links posted by you to anything, in this thread. So, again, link to quote from HM saying Mark Webber won't be driving for RBR. Not implying it by talking about interest in other drivers in the future, actually saying Mark is out, or that he expressly wants him out.

Seb DOES get #1 status when Mark is out of the championship. Prior to that point, Marko talks about the drivers getting equal treatment.

Red Bull has ties to everything, Christian wasn't picked out of a hat, and neither was David. David is given credit for helping to convince Adrian to join, not for wanting to recruit him in the first place. We don't know whose idea it was.

If DM has ultimate control, why isn't HE on the website? Who they choose to profile on their website has nothing to do with anything.

Can you give examples of Christian or Adrian flexing managerial clout either? All they ever say about any decisions made in the team is "we".

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Christian and Adrians "Clout" ? every time They open talks with Webber, FOTA or the FIA . Thats all Horner and Newey not Marko.


It's not the link I was looking for. The one I had the other day (The one I thought I'd posted was a year older)

http://www.foxsports.com.au/motor-sport ... 6105738997

Horner saying the opposite in reply http://www.f1sa.com/index.php?option=co ... Itemid=157

Horner talking to Weber "Behind closed doors" , does that sound like Marko would be invited?

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/2641 ... sed-doors/

Plus all the while Marko criticises Webber Dietrich is always complimenting him.

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

Sounds like Marko is shit talking Ferrari.

Ferrari are ofc looking for a Massa replacement in 2014, and Sauber is thought to be their support team (with the exception of Perez lol).

My guess is Hulkenberg will do 1 year with Sauber before going to Ferrari with Bianchi taking his seat at Sauber.

You got to imagine how nuts we go making assumptions. You have to imagine the plight of these drivers, where they try to see a year ahead as to where they should be headed, other than also being competitive through the season.

I'm sure drivers like Bianchi & Senna & hopefuls such as Sutil must be getting regular headaches regarding their future for 2013, forget about 2014.

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Firstly RBR is not part of FOTA. Second, how do you know who from the team goes to FIA meetings or negotiates with Webber, or who authorizes offers and concessions, or who instructs that representative to work toward what interests? Nobody outside the team and the driver's management does in the case of driver negotiations, and nobody outside the pretty secretive FIA meetings, the technical working groups for example, knows the other.

Your first link says Marko thinks Webber was going to retire. That doesn't mean he wanted to kick him out. Your second link didn't work.

I remember exactly when Christian gave the "behind closed doors" quote. He was asked on the BBC Forum (or post race prior to Forum) why Mark didn't heed his call to maintain the gap, and what the consequences of that would be. Saying he'd speak to him behind closed doors just means he wasn't prepared to slap him around in public, to the media. And telling a driver he needs to pay attention to the team's call is an example of someone saying "do what I tell you to do", it doesn't indicate absolute power over anything.

Have a little read of this. http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/06/ ... it-matter/

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^ ashley313, thanks for that link you provided. Very interesting read. I didn't know that Craig Lowndes had raced for Hemut Marko's team at one stage. Probably a good thing that Craig left and returned home to Oz. He is one of the greatest touring car drivers anywhere in the world. Having said that, it would have been interesting to see if he had made it to F1, how he would have compared to Webber.

(sorry for going off topic).

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No worries, we're already well off topic

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+1 Agreed. Marko is a media grabbing muppet IMHO.

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I voted RBR as I think he may be a v good driver - only time will tell. But having said that, its hard to dislike Mark, so if he continues to perform and wishes to stay in the team, I'd rather he retained his seat.

The RBR team is proving itself the best team on the grid and a good choice for most drivers if Mark decides to call it a day.

Ferrari is out of the question for obvious reasons... but who knows, perhaps Sauber will be a championship contender next year? Unlikely, but possible.

Yes not now but they were. Until they argued against the RRA.

How do you know who goes to meetings. Well on race weekends they tend to have cameras watching when everyone comes out.

The Joe saward link I have already read it and is mostly about the Red Junior stuff which I have already said Marko is in charge off.

Comments about running the Red Bull affair are in context to the young drivers not the F1 team.

As for the rest I've pointed out before Joe Saward isn't the most accurate of reporters. Remember a few months back Vijay was going to jail. His accuracy and bias has been called into question quite a few times on the forum.

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

Do you think he made up the facts he reported about HM's role in putting RBR together? They are available in other places, even the wiki bio. I can't look at all of those things, and the others we have discussed, and draw any conclusion other than HM is a very influential person within the team, with significant power to make and affect decisions. The facts support it, and the suppositions can go either way because nobody on the outside really knows the truth. If you can infer the opposite...well, that's your prerogative.

I also very and truly can't remember why we're talking about HM's role in the first place. Have I had too much cough medicine this morning? I have the plague.

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What facts? He doesn't actually say much about Marko putting Red Bull together except for hiring Horner and it doesn't put that straight to Markos door. Just that they bought Jag and Hired Christian Horner to Run it. The rest he just claims stuff with the only back up being what happened with Berger at Torro rosso. Where as we all know that RBR is ran completely different to TR because ones out to win and the other is just a training device.

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

IMO Ferrari are keeping their options opened, with the probability of Alonso leaving early especially if he doesn't win a title soon.
Plus there have been lots of talk about vettel to Ferrari for several years.

On the other hand if hulkenberg proves him self this year, then he will unlikely be a # 2 driver.