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http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/2890 ... sed-newey/

Adrian Newey has admitted that the timescales surrounding the completion of Red Bull's new RB9 chassis have been compromised as a result of the 2012 title run-in, with Sebastian Vettel fighting for his third world title until the final race in Brazil.


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He's talking crap

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It really doesn't matter.

'10 went down to the wire too. Look what happened in '11.

They had plenty of time to do the '12 car because both Championships were wrapped up early in '11. But yet they started the beginning of the year slow.

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Surely developing just 1 part for the car will take weeks? So would probably mean that even if they were developing the car with parts arriving in Abu Dhabi, they would have stopped developing a month or so before, giving them plenty of time to alter their 2013 development program and being a not so poor team could even employ more man power to make up for lost time.

Agree with Silverstone Regular, it's just a bit of show boating.

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They'll just open another factory somewhere else and build another wind tunnel...then disguise it as the catering department.

"Front wing? No...those are tea trays..."
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This subject will come up again when RBR don't turn up for the first test. Oh, woe is me, they're so far behind that they'll struggle to compete! :uhoh:

Last time they did this they had a car with pack-leading doodads that they didn't want anyone to see. As Adeamus suggests, they will have been chucking money at it in defiance of the RRA and normal service will continue.

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They'll just open another factory somewhere else and build another wind tunnel...then disguise it as the catering department.

"Front wing? No...those are tea trays..."
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Aeroparts. Of course not we're designing a new aero dynamic can for Felix Baumgartner.

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Well if Newey thinks the RB9 has been compromised as they were fighting for the championship till the last round Ferrari will be essentially screwed for most of 2013, personally I think Newey is just trying to put the car down just to blow the competition away in Australia.

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He said the same thing about the end of 2010 for 2011... Look what happened there.

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Don't worry, i'm sure they will cheat again and the FIA will then let them race 5 races with illegal aero parts and then tell them not bring the parts to the next race.


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He's trying to get people's hopes up that it won't be a walk away for Vettel all season. Very thoughtful of him, but unless he announces that he has bought HRT and is leaving RBR immediately, I see this as the easiest year he'll probably ever have.

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He is bluffing.

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I doubt it. Red Bull are a big enough and more importantly rich enough team to be able to develop the current years car and the next at the same time.

As others have said, it happen them to 2010 and didn't make a difference.

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Really? NO! This is just giving the correct answer to the media to keep them happy. You really think as people have said in this thread that they would have been that far into the 2012 season that they can not develop the RB9? When big teams talk like this it's just psychological games they play on their rivals IMO.

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Yeah right.


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Is this years car going to be THAT much different that developments on the car they were using will not transfer?

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moby wrote:
Is this years car going to be THAT much different that developments on the car they were using will not transfer?


Depends how much these early plans develop...

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When RBR and Newey say this, what they really meant was " we won't take most of the poles by 1/2 a second, but we will still take them and win both championships again, but not comfortably"


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montyinct wrote:
When RBR and Newey say this, what they really meant was " we won't take most of the poles by 1/2 a second, but we will still take them and win both championships again, but not comfortably"



Or "Them Bar stewards at the FIA have banned something we had planned like they did last year. Now we have to go back to the drawing board"

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He's talking crap


Nope. It's obvious that the development timetable gets compromised when resources are being spent on two cars instead of one for a period of time, but I seriously doubt it will affect anything enough to keep them from challenging for Titles next year. In fact, Newey doesn't even say that it will affect the end result. He only says that the team will be even busier over the winter trying to get the development back on schedule.


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I call bullshit.

They said the same after the 1st and 2nd championship.

It makes the story seem a lot more amazing.

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It's all relative to the other teams.

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Newey isn't magician. There is a lot of hard work behind the scenes. The success isn't granted. I doubt he is bluffing.

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RBR made this year interesting. They didn't have to. Nobody is close to them and I don't see it hanging next year.


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I'm sure that compared to the resources they could have diverted to the RB9 had the championship not gone down to the wire they have devoted less and therefore the car is compromised compared to what could have been.

However, that doesn't necessarily translate to them struggling. In 2011 the championship was over relatively early but they didn't start 2012 with the best car and in 2010 when the championship went down to the wire they started 2011 with a great car. IMO it will have more to do with how they fundamentally adapt to the slight changes in the regulations and how quickly they and other teams figure out the 2013 tyres.

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Its wonderful to see that for once most(maybe all) who posted have the same opinion & called the bullshit.....its a very unique thing in this forum ;)


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Oh that's just bullshit. I fear RBR will have close to the same form as 2011 given the rules hasn't changed much.

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MclarenBullet wrote:
Don't worry, i'm sure they will cheat again and the FIA will then let them race 5 races with illegal aero parts and then tell them not bring the parts to the next race.

When have they cheated?

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Covalent wrote:
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Don't worry, i'm sure they will cheat again and the FIA will then let them race 5 races with illegal aero parts and then tell them not bring the parts to the next race.

When have they cheated?


Flexi wings, holes in Canada?


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Don't worry, i'm sure they will cheat again and the FIA will then let them race 5 races with illegal aero parts and then tell them not bring the parts to the next race.

When have they cheated?


Flexi wings, holes in Canada?

So they must've had a terrible punishment for these blatant cheatings no?

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Yes, because that's how the world works and the richest/most successful is the first to suffer punishment.


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Probably true considering what happened late 2012.
But the pressure is on McLaren, Ferrari and probably Mercedes to close the gap.

But every domination ends one season, but all parts for a RedBull 2013 WCC is still in place.


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Yes, because that's how the world works and the richest/most successful is the first to suffer punishment.

True.Just like renault in 05/06 with their mass dampers.Cheating b******s.


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Yes, because that's how the world works and the richest/most successful is the first to suffer punishment.

True.Just like renault in 05/06 with their mass dampers.Cheating b******s.


The only team punishe for cheating is McLaren in 2007 - 2008? The other have only read the regulations?


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AnRs wrote:
sandyf1 wrote:
VDV23 wrote:
Yes, because that's how the world works and the richest/most successful is the first to suffer punishment.

True.Just like renault in 05/06 with their mass dampers.Cheating b******s.


The only team punishe for cheating is McLaren in 2007 - 2008? The other have only read the regulations?


The mass damper situation was different. It was legal one week. Then literally illegal the next. With no changes to the part itself. Renault had been running it for a while before it was outlawed. It was all rather....fishy. without the ban Alonso was going to take the title with ease the way he was going

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RunningMan wrote:
AnRs wrote:
sandyf1 wrote:
VDV23 wrote:
Yes, because that's how the world works and the richest/most successful is the first to suffer punishment.

True.Just like renault in 05/06 with their mass dampers.Cheating b******s.


The only team punishe for cheating is McLaren in 2007 - 2008? The other have only read the regulations?


The mass damper situation was different. It was legal one week. Then literally illegal the next. With no changes to the part itself. Renault had been running it for a while before it was outlawed. It was all rather....fishy. without the ban Alonso was going to take the title with ease the way he was going

Just like red bull's hole.Legal one race illegal the next.And there was nothing fishy about the ban . Ferrari themselves were using one although the ban affected renault more .It was proved that it was a movable aerodynamic device.


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Of course there was something fishy, teams cheat all the time, they just get away with it mostly.


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back to topic: my guess is that it shouldn't affect them a lot... the car will be mor or less the same so the first round of testing will be about the new tires...

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Its called managing expectations...run for political office and you build up your opponent and downplay yourself. That way if you don't do well its expected, and if you do its seen as a larger victory than it truly is.


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sandyf1 wrote:
RunningMan wrote:
AnRs wrote:
sandyf1 wrote:
VDV23 wrote:
Yes, because that's how the world works and the richest/most successful is the first to suffer punishment.

True.Just like renault in 05/06 with their mass dampers.Cheating b******s.


The only team punishe for cheating is McLaren in 2007 - 2008? The other have only read the regulations?


The mass damper situation was different. It was legal one week. Then literally illegal the next. With no changes to the part itself. Renault had been running it for a while before it was outlawed. It was all rather....fishy. without the ban Alonso was going to take the title with ease the way he was going

Just like red bull's hole.Legal one race illegal the next.And there was nothing fishy about the ban . Ferrari themselves were using one although the ban affected renault more .It was proved that it was a movable aerodynamic device.


The holes in the floor were illegal since the start of 2012.


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