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Energy recovery system, this is the first I have heard of it.

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At present the Formula One drivers are given a boost by KERS (kinetic energy recovery system) of 80hp for 6.7secs per lap.

However, next year with ERS combining with KERS they will have an extra 161hp for 33.3secs per lap.

"Today it is difficult to be quick without KERS - for 2014 it will be impossible to go racing without ERS," revealed Cowell.

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In a nut shell, push to pass button.

They will change the name from KERS to ERS because they plan to recover energy from other sources and not just kinetic. Heat for example.

Simple reason for changing it to ERS is because not only will energy be harvested on braking but also from the energy produced by the exhaust gases.

I thought the FIA had agreed to dump a lot of the ERS when they dumped the new aero rules?

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

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F1 with a HANS and HERS set, then..?

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That's it in a nutshell. The KERS has a generator/motor connected to the drivetrain. It harvests energy directly from the drivetrain while braking. HERS (heat energy recovery system) is also a generator/motor, but it is attached to the turbo. You can see it as the large canister between the turbine and compressor.



The hot exhaust gases leave the engine, travel through the exhaust pipes to the turbine (red) where they impinge upon it and cause it rotate. A shaft carries the rotational energy to the compressor (blue) which compresses the incoming air. In between these two componenets is the generator/motor. The harvested energy is stored, and discharged on demand.

One very cool thing about this setup is that the HERS motor can spin up the turbine when needed, completely eliminating turbo lag, and additionally adding boost at low speeds. That means the engine will have monstrous low-end torque, and should come off the corners very hard. In fact, there will be so much power at lower engine revolutions that wheelspin becomes a reality, and we should see a lot of it from 2014 forward.

HERS is not limited in storage capacity, when it can be used, or how much energy used per lap. KERS is restricted in all three categories.

I thought it was some bullshit to make f1 more superficial a spectacle than it already is.

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33 seconds a lap? Or is this a total value for a session of a race weekend so the driver has to choose when to use it during the race, as 33 secs a lap is a lot.

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So we'll now have DRS and ERS. How lovely.

IMO it should be pronounced "derrs and errs"

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By next year they mean 2014 or next season (2013)?

I hope 2014, because KERS sounds better than ERS lol

Stupid reason, I know

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They should really rename it, ERS is silly.

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The are keeping the RS's alphabetical from here on in. .

DRS Drag Reduction system.
ERS Energy Recovery System.

Next will be FRS. Fucking Ridiculous System.

Some say Bernies thinking of deploying Banana skins with the FRS.

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

I have a few questions about this. It's an area of the sport where I really lack knowledge and understanding.

Will the teams have markedly different set-ups or are they all likely to be similar?
Will the systems vary between teams based on how they want to deploy it or is deployment controlled by the ECU?
Are we likely to see trade-offs between this system and other components of the car or is the HERS so valuable that it will take priority?
What are the different ways that it can be utilised?

I hope they all make sense. I can explain what I mean better if necessary.

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Are the teams supposed to develop their own ERS units from scratch or it will be an update of actual KERS? Also, will there be a team supplier?

Energy recovery from the exhaust, is that not just a turbo?

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A turbo has more to do with blowing air to the engines, hence the word, turbine.

I really wish they would open this up and make it completely 'free for all'. This is the most exciting thing that is going to be available to F1 for the next decade. Engines are all going to be 'jelly mold' and fixed quite tightly, and aero has been chipped away at for so long there is not much wriggle room left. The only advantage now is going to be in this area.

I would like in particular to ass them allow a 'dynastat' style device to recover the stopping from the front wheels and allow them to drive the same wheels with that energy.

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The way it's going we'll have a "Fan Reduction System"!

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Complaints about more exciting racing..... must be the British.

I believe the ERS system is mounted onto the actual power unit therefore the engine manufacturers will develop the ERS itself instead of for example, Red Bull developing there own system it will be Renault doing both the Power unit and the ERS.

So in short, the engine manufacturers, Mercedes, Ferrari, Renault, Cosworth, will all develop their own ERS systems for the teams they supply.


Quote from this link.

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The 10 place penalty should be scrapped until the manufacturers get a handle on things. Or at the very least give them a joker card or two.

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

Definitely agree with this, its stupid of the FIA to think that the manufacturers will be able to build a reliable unit and be able to withstand the pressure under race conditions from the get go. Its a new era of engines and especially when everything is a sole entity on the unit itself and when one part fails then you're going to have to pickup a new unit. They should at least keep it at the current 8 units and then obviously the 10 place grid penalty.

Hopefully these regulations aren't the final edition and will be tweaked upon the 2014 season, otherwise theirs going to be a lot of penalties.

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Wait til the FIA accepts my Fart Recovery System proposition...

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A s***-cannon would be a great idea too.

Sounds like a horrible 5 engine / drive train rule for the entire season

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I would like to know the answer for that one as well. Will this be something driver dependant (pushing button like KERS) or completely automatic?

Also, with the 5 engine units per season rule, it really looks like 2014 WDC and WCC could be determined by engines reliability.

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Would the alternative name for that be FPS?

Fart Propulsion System.

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Does anyone know what's up with Cosworth and the 2014 engine? All the info I can find is from October. Guess only Marussia roll them now anyway?

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It appears some acronyms require explanation. These new energy recovery systems are known as ERS. They have two different sources, one from heat, and the other from kinetic energy (forward motion). So that's how we wind up with KERS (kinetic energy recovery system) and HERS (heat energy recovery system). Each system requires a motor/generator to harvest energy, and to feed it back. So now we have MGU-K (motor generator unit kinetic) and MGU-H (motor generator unit heat).

Both of these systems have a common energy storage, usually a battery, although capacitors and flywheels are also utilized. All systems are controlled by one control unit, named the "MGU Control Unit". The FIA has a flow chart describing these responsibilities in Appendix 3 of the 2014 Technical Regulations. http://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/regulation/file/2014-F1-TECHNICAL-REGULATIONS-111212.pdf

I strongly suggest that anyone interested in the technology involved read the tech regs.

KERS is restricted in capacity, use, and power levels. HERS is unlimited. KERS feeds the energy back into the drivetrain, and HERS feeds the energy back into the turbo, each are distinct and separate, although they share the same common control unit and storage device.

So what we wind up with is the KERS as we now know it, the new HERS, and the basic engine lump. It is assumed the engine manufacturers will build and design powerplants incorporating all these technologies, but there's no reason why they can supply just the engine lump and each team will develop their own ERS systems. Each team will have to negotiate conditions with their respective engine manufacturers on what is supplied, and as stated, there's no guarantee that Mercedes will want to share their ERS with McLaren, or anyone else. And maybe McLaren want to develop their own system, because as long as you are receiving powerplants from a factory team, there's no way that your powerplant will ever be superior to the factory team's equipment and software. This situation is not exclusive to just Mercedes and McLaren, it may also apply to Ferrari and Sauber, and Renault and Red Bull, for example.

KERS will function as used now, there will be some button or switch to make KERS do it's thing. But HERS will be transparent and used only to enhance the engine, add power and make it more driveable. One obvious use it to eliminate turbo lag, the MHU-H will spool up the turbo if it's lagging the engine.

Ah great insight. Sorry, i'm not an engineer i wouldnt know all these technical stuff. Thanks!

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