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See that Almost, very important word. That means that Lewis hadn't made the overtake and therefore no right to turn in.

Bad video but show me where Webber lost control?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE3-h_02wVM

Webber had the defensive inside line Hammo turned in. He never made the overtake so had no right to turn in. Webber had no need to concede the corner.

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Had Schumacher finished 1st in Japan with Alonso 2nd, Alonso still would have won the title by a point.

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I know you said bad video but wow! My eyes!


And I do agree, Hamilton turned in too much and expected Mark to give way. It's a shame the red bull is made of adamantium (as proven by Vettel in Brazil)

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That was actually the better of the videos I found .

try this one. It's like a NES game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGDhZhRQW3A

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That's amazing!

I wonder if the monitors in the stewards offices are this good?

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I like how people expect mark (a very fair racer) to have just stepped on the brakes and let Lewis through!

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Thank you. I never once realised that before and it certainly makes Japan that bit less painful.

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This photo confirms that Webber never lost control, and was in fact as far inside as possible before Hamilton chopped down and contact was made.

http://youtu.be/WxynNbw9WO4

Game, set and match.

Lewis cut across way too early, Webber couldn't have gone any nearer the kerb without clattering it and probably skidding into Lewis. Hamilton did the same thing to Kobayashi in Spa 2011.

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There's no such thing as game set match when debating an on track incident with a non-driver unfortunately.

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Look the line Webber took, straight into Hamiltons car, he has not turned in like he should , had there not been Hamiltons car he would have probably not made the corner.BTW, he broke Hamiltons rear suspension, thefore Hamilton was almost past, Webber was beaten. Webber was only lucky his car did not brake, too.

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I rest my case

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Haven't you noticed Webber's car is following the tyre marks/rubber of countless other people there? You can see the racing line practically. Hamilton isn't following it, Webber is.

Now I'd support Hamilton over Webber any day, but this incident was more Hamilton's fault. Haribo, you don't have to defend everything Hamilton has been involved in. It's OK for him to be in the wrong sometimes.

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actually, haribo, if you look at the track line... ie where the rubber is down, Webber does indeed appear to be on line for the corner.

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Webber was taking the normal line. Hamilton chopped across back onto the normal line too soon. That should be the end.

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Note "SHOULD" be the end. It won't be.

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I know, I forgot Saint Hamilton is never in the wrong ever ever ever.

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I might make it my mission to find a racing collision between any two drivers from some point in time (in Formula 1) that everyone can agree on.

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Webber did not hit the appex, look wich line the other cars took, he moved too far inside before he turned in, missed the appex, and used Hamiltons car as "brake"

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Are you looking at the same picture?

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He actually did slow a bit, and tighten his entry line...to give Lewis more room. He'd have no trouble making the corner. No McLaren-brake necessary.

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No need to call people idiots for not sharing your opinion Pedrosa. Warning.

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Give 'em hell Dani!

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He was not "beat" at any point at which he could do something about it.

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Haha, I hope it has brought about a sense of closure.

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A bit yes! Haha!

That race is the only race I have ever switched off before it finished. I went back to bed a little bit heartbroken.

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Yep I know that feeling - Suzuka 2012.

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"I am a believer, but I start each Grand Prix with 195 liters of fuel behind me," he explains. "I don't rely entirely on God, I rely on Prost."

If Hammy hadn't have turned in he wouldn't have made the corner. He was on the outside he was going wide. Bit like Seb on JB in Germany except Seb decided to go wide and avoid the accident rather than close the door.

This is car racing you cannot simply add in extra lock to make the corner. It simply does not work like that.

The fact as you admit that Hamilton was ALMOST past means he had no right to close the door he hadn't completed the overtake. He should have also realised that he needed to leave room because they are racing not driving around the supermarket carpark in Nissan Micras.

I suppose the following year was Massas fault? Same corner IIRC too.

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"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

I want to drive around a supermarket carpark with F1 drivers in Nissan Micras. I feel a Top Gear segment is in order.

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You wanna try in a 4 wheel steer Prelude with Rally men

That was fun. the locals were a bit weirded out though.

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"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

I drove an e36 widebody race car with no doors or windshield to a shopping center with a dutch touring car driver in an e90 Grand-Am ST car once (don't ask) and got in a lot of trouble with the police At least with Nissans we'd be less conspicuous.

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Know that feeling, we stuck a new engine in a G3 escort (That will mean nothing to you.) But RWD wide arched Ford escort. Something like a rs1700T idea. It needed ran in because a guy was having a test drive to buy it. the last time the owner skipped the run in and the engine blew a gasket on the prospective buyer

So I thought fuck it, went to the workshop picked it up and drove it to work. It was not the most comfortable of rides and the police were a bit iffy the town centre

I think they thought it was a boy racer stickered up until I got out they seen the buckets and the proper cage . Gotta love the clunk of first in a dog box when sitting at the lights when some chav is revving his nuts off beside you

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"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

Yes through Hamilton tinted glasses, the tint is rosey when you look at the things Lewis has done right but black as night when looking at anything else

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Hamilton tinted glasses hahahaha I wonder what those might look like. Surely they'd be oversized and diamond encrusted.

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With H.A.M written over them somewhere.

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I searched "hammy glasses" and this was all I found.

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No so thats why he drove right into the BACK of Lewis's car. You can see with your eyes that lewis was clearly ahead that called a overtake.

the point of contact is not more relevant than how they got to that point

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..This is another one of those threads where I feel bad for being a Hamilton fan isn't it.


Can I ask Haribo and A.rellum; Spa 2011 - Hamilton and Kobayashi; Who do you think was at fault?
Because it was the same thing as Singapore 2010.

The fact is he closed the door too early in an overtake and took himself out.


I think he's a bloody great driver and one of my favourite, but Christ alive, the amount of times I've gone "Oh Hami,Hami,Hami...what are you doing?" over the past 5 years.... It's ok to admit your favourite driver makes mistakes.

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Someone gotta photoshop a ham helmet on that thing lol

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I like this forummer a lot! Can support a driver and see his mistakes! Guys we've got another good one here!

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