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So we all have read the comments made by Fred about Lewis being the best and strongest driver. He also believes
Lewis can win Multiple races with Mercedes this year.

I for one will agree with him.



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Yes because he's going to call the rookie that beat him a little bit shit

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

Damn Right : P

He's fully correct and he knows full well, far better than any of, so if Alonso says it a Multiple F1 champion who has also been Hamilton's team mate, then it's surely true.

Of course there's going to be allot of bitter forumer's on here, but why not just show respect to Alonso and Hamilton for what they are, two of the best three drivers on the grid who both have great respect for each other.

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The drivers all know who is really good, and respect each other; but the PR is sometimes misleading and stirred up by the media who earn money and sales from contraversy.

Lauda once said that it did not matter who he was fighting for the lead with, any one of about five or six drivers, all were difficult to beat. He mentioned Reutemann, Peterson,Andretti, Scheckter,Hunt always, and Regazzoni sometimes. Obviously all were in competitive cars.

Today I reckon Hamilton and Alonso would also name a few drivers who would be tough to beat when racing at the front. Not only 'veterans' Vettel, Webber, Button, Raikkonen, Massa (late 2012), but new boys Maldonado and Perez too.

Let's hope the 2013 Mercedes is fast enough for Lewis and Nico to go for it. And that McLaren and Ferrari are still good.

Alonso and Hamilton know each other's skills well, so it is good to hear mutual praise.

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Context.


Its too bad the strongest driver doesn't win championships, the strongest competitor does, as proven by the last..I dunno...5 years at least.

Nando sounds a little confused though. You can't say one driver IS the strongest driver, and then a minute later state that you are not saying a different driver isn't the strongest driver. And driving off the road in Canada in front of JB probably qualifies as a mistake in a wet/dry race in 2011. Proof that even drivers in the sport go by their impressions, and not necessarily facts eh?

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How would Alonso know how good Vettel actually is though? He's been team mates with Hammy so he knows exactly what's there and he's not going to say the guy that beat him was shit. That would be daft He hasn't been team mates with Seb so unless Marks been sneaking out the data how can he know how good or not Vettel actually is?

Likewise about winning races in the Merc. Who knows what they bring next year. Unless he has someone giving him Data from Brackley for all he knows the Merc could take HRTs place.

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

Alonso was like...

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Bitterness, is the only word to some replies.

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"Pedro Mate, I told you to go to Red Bull and send the Data to Ferrari"

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

No, it's realism.
It's pretty logical that you're going to name the only driver in recent years to have beaten you in the same machinery as being the best.

It's pretty naive to think otherwise.

I'm not bitter. I don't care who the best driver is, because Formula 1 isn't about being the best driver. You have to be the best competitor, and skill on track is only but a part of that. Why should anyone be bitter about Alonso expressing his opinion? We all do it all day long.

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"I tried to Fred, really, but they said they already have an old fogey and one is enough. We'll have to wait until Mark retires"

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Alonso stated his opinion & he knows more about the other drivers skills than anyone here. There is also no reason to look for political motives or something like this
like Sigmund Freud said " Sometimes a cigar is only cigar."

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"Everything you can imagine is real." Pablo Picasso

You really mean this? I mean, really?

Being beaten by a rookie in the same machinery is no motive at all to call him the best? No?

Yes you are

Yes, Alonso clearly knows better than everyone. That's why he said Sebastian made no mistakes in 2011 in changing conditions We all imagined Canada.

Its fine if you agree with his opinion, but you can't claim he is more "in the know" than anybody else when he says things that are clearly wrong (in a factual way, not an opinion way), in the very same interview.

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What about mutual respekt for each other? They raced in the same team, they know the others strenghts

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"Everything you can imagine is real." Pablo Picasso

Why? How does anything Fernando Alonso says about other people affect my life? I don't even feel bitter about things that DO influence my life - there's stuff you can change yourself, and stuff you can't. No need to feel bitter about the former, just change it. No need to feel bitter about the latter, nothing you can do about it.

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You mean like Hammy in '09 Alonso in '08 '09 '11?

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

Well, that could be. It even could "also" be, next to what I said.
But I think you would have to be very naive to dismiss what I said as impossible (and you did so in your first post).

There is no such thing as outperforming a car, only a teammate.

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Lately they seem to praise one another a lot. They seem to have put the past behind them (well, for a while now). Maybe the forum should too.


As for Alonso's motives, I think it is a win-win-win situation. He obviously trully believes this, as many people do, as I regard Hammy highly too. He also makes it easier on himself praising the rookie who beat him. It may also serve as mind games for Vetter. In the end of the day, he was asked and he answered. Simple as that

Dude you don't have to have a pop at the entire forum every time you post. If a lot of us annoy you so much don't come here FGS.

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That logic certainly does not hold for Lewis after being beaten in points by Jenson in 2011, he stated numerous times in 2012 Alonso was the best driver (although I am not sure if he was including himself in that, the same as Alonso probably is not including himself).

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Well, I would really like to see THAT quotes in this post in any source. If you find it thanks.
Im wrong getting the idea that he said that Hamilton is the strongest driver as opponent, no including himself? I got that idea when I read it in Spanish. But, you know, translations...

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But why does this comment from Alonso " the most complete driver" ( whatever that means )
Get so many people up in arms ? He's said it often enough for a good two years running and he clearly believes that Lewis is his biggest threat on track .
Alonso is considered by many as the cream of the current crop . Like him or not this is widely accepted , it is said that not only is he " complete " in his race craft but uses his " intelligence " on track and within the team hence the no 1 status .

What do the journalists and some fans want him to say about Vettel , he clearly does not think that Vettel is a better driver than Lewis or himself he thinks Vettel is good enough but ultimately the dominance is the Red Bull .

Now for all who keep chanting the mantra of ... he's only saying it because Lewis beat him as a rookie .
I am sure that no driver on the grid would feel any embarrassment at having been beaten at some point by Lewis such is his undoubted speed and skill .

I'm sure by the same token that as a rookie, Lewis was elated at being able to match the 2xWDC Alonso and has since proven, on numerous occasions, that 2007 was no fluke .

Alonso has nothing to be ashamed of because he is a damn good driver and he and the world of F1 knows it . It's not politics its not embarrassment it's his belief based on his experience and his feelings when he hears "Lewis is on the march" and he's two seconds behind you .

This,i don't get why it seems to bother people alot that Alonso has this opinion...maybe he really does feel that Hamilton is his strongest rival,who exactly is anyone to tell him otherwise lol

it's Alonsos opinion, like some say Senna was the best & others say Prost was the best
In the end ist subjective

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"Everything you can imagine is real." Pablo Picasso

If you had a car that was the 5th quickest you could still fight for podiums however, which is more than just outperforming your team mate Maybe not outperforming the car but putting it where it shouldn't be in relation to its competitors. As were talking about Hamilton Bahrain 09 instantly springs to mind. Or Schumacher throughout the 1997 season.

It does make you larf ! How he get asked a question answers it and some people think he is playing mind games. They need to get a grip.

That's not outperforming your car, its out driving and/or out strategizing your opponents, or capitalizing on their mistakes or misfortune. Has nothing to do with getting more from a car than the car has to offer.

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Alonso: "Hamilton the best driver on the grid...

... to fight for a second place with me."

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The end is near

Exactly. I don't even know what people mean by "outperforming a car." A driver--no matter how good--can't make a machine do anything it wasn't built to do.

About his opinion on drivers here's something on topic, form just few days ago.

https://twitter.com/alo_oficial/status/290834623779450880

Kubica isn't on the grid though and it's unlikely he ever will be again in a racing capacity.

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If you accept Alonso's statement, fine enough. But you also have to accept part of the interview that mentions Vettel.


http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/289412/alonso-hamilton-is-the-strongest-driver/

Right, ok, anyone who thinks that there is any human being that can make any car go faster than it is possible to is a moron.

However, I don't believe that is what most are suggesting when referring to a driver's outperforming of a car. Quite often we'll hear respected pundits use the "outperforming" phrase, often coupled with something like "he was putting that car in places it doesn't belong". Brundle often speaks this way.

Far from suggesting that the laws of physics were being defied, I think this is simply suggesting that whoever is being referred to is driving that car faster or better than the vast majority of other drivers are able to.