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Some 200 people attended a memorial service for “the Prof”, “Sid”, Professor Eric Sidney Watkins OBE FRCS, in London on Friday morning, roughly equally divided between F1 and medical people.
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Another leading neurosurgeon, Mr Peter J Hamlyn, who trained under Sid at the Royal London Hospital, told of Watkins’s ground-breaking research into the previously inaccesible mid-brain area, which with the surgical techniques he developed enabled otherwise incurable conditions to be successfully treated. Turning to his F1 work, Hamlyn described the wider impact. When in 2005 the London Olympic bid was presented to the IOC, one of the first questions was : “Will the medical care for the athletes be up to Formula 1 Standards ?”
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Other tributes were paid by Dr Sandy Saunders, who trained with Sid in Liverpool and became a life-long friend, and for the racing community, by Sir Jackie Stewart and Jeffrey Rose, past president of the RAC and member of the FIA Board, and a fishing companion of Sid’s. There was much mention of Sid’s love of fine whisky.

Among those present from the F1 world were FIA President Jean Todt, two World Champions sitting side by side, Damon Hill and Jody Scheckter, Martin Brundle, Patrick Head, and Herbie Blash of F1 race control, plus many more more anonymous members of the F1 fraternity. Two representatives came from the Sakhir ciruit in Bahrain especially for the event.

No current Formula 1 drivers were present.

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Ouch!
Does not read well about current drivers.

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Shame. I'd have expected the British trio of Button, Di Resta and Hamilton to have been there. Shocked Schumacher didn't go given he considered Watkins a friend did he not?

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Did Bernie go?

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On a similar topic: when the Senna and Ratzenberger funerals were being held in 1994, Max Mosley attended Roland's, saying that he knew "everyone would be at Senna's". This impressed me.

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I wonder if they even knew about the funeral? Strange that none showed up if they had the info.

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I know most F1 drivers may be still off finishing their holiday season etc but taking one day off it to attend the service of a man who indirectly and in some cases directly saved their lives been too hard?

The Ferrari boys were doing the Vroom event so can be excused. Hamilton is on holiday skiing, Button is in training I believe, Schumacher is retired so what is his excuse?

No Hakkinen either. That surprised me after Adelaide 95.

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Before we condemn them we should first consider if they were invited or instructed not to attend. Given the PR nature of the big teams, particularly McLaren it seems unusual they did not instruct their drivers to attend, and the fact none did makes me think that the current drivers were not invited or asked not to attend.

There could be good reason for this, to not detract focus from Sid Watkins himself. Had Alonso, Hamilton, Vettel or Schumacher turned up you could imagine the press not focussing solely on the event and even asking questions not relevant in an attempt to get a scoop on 2013. In some ways, it might be better that they not attend and instead the driver representation be by drivers out of the limelight and those more directly affected by Sid Watkins.


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I personally find no excuse valid.

Shame on them. Each and single one.

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Lt. Drebin wrote:
I personally find no excuse valid.

Shame on them. Each and single one.



So if Sids family asked them to stay away, you think they should have gate crashed a memorial?

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Before we condemn them we should first consider if they were invited or instructed not to attend. Given the PR nature of the big teams, particularly McLaren it seems unusual they did not instruct their drivers to attend, and the fact none did makes me think that the current drivers were not invited or asked not to attend.

There could be good reason for this, to not detract focus from Sid Watkins himself. Had Alonso, Hamilton, Vettel or Schumacher turned up you could imagine the press not focussing solely on the event and even asking questions not relevant in an attempt to get a scoop on 2013. In some ways, it might be better that they not attend and instead the driver representation be by drivers out of the limelight and those more directly affected by Sid Watkins.

There's a lot of good sense in that post and summed up my initial thoughts after reading. It is possible that less media hungry service/memorial was held that we have no knowledge of.

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Isn't that a bit of a misleading quote at the end? When Sid retired in 2005, only 6 of the 2013 field were F1 drivers. Two of who were doing FIAT PR work at the time. So really it raises a small question over Mark Webber, Jenson Button, Tim O'Glock and Kimi Raikkonen. The rest of the field know Gary Hartstein as the F1 doctor.


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Johnston wrote:
Lt. Drebin wrote:
I personally find no excuse valid.

Shame on them. Each and single one.



So if Sids family asked them to stay away, you think they should have gate crashed a memorial?

Of course, no. But you know, that's a big "if".

Why didn't they tell Jean Todt, Damon Hill, Jody Scheckter, Martin Brundle, Patrick Head, and Herbie Blash to stay away? Why would they single out active drivers?

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A lot of the drivers are preparing for the new season, Hamilton and Button are both in training camps abroad and as mentioned earlier no current drivers may have been invited, family may have only wanted those who were really close to Sid.

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Lt. Drebin wrote:
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I personally find no excuse valid.

Shame on them. Each and single one.



So if Sids family asked them to stay away, you think they should have gate crashed a memorial?

Of course, no. But you know, that's a big "if".

Why didn't they tell Jean Todt, Damon Hill, Jody Scheckter, Martin Brundle, Patrick Head, and Herbie Blash to stay away? Why would they single out active drivers?



For the reasons A2H said. Because the big names are under scrutiny from the Press which could have taken away from the matter at hand.


The rest are just ex-F1 drivers Pundits and FIA Personnel. How often do Journos ask Herbie Blash a question? I don't think Sheckters Organic farming would rate as highly on the Journos list as asking Bruno Senna if he has a seat for next year and Senna would be down the list of gossip compared to Hammy Alonso and Seb. Patrick Head is out of F1. what would they ask Hill and Brundle? What Sky has planned for the new season?

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Why didn't they tell Jean Todt, Damon Hill, Jody Scheckter, Martin Brundle, Patrick Head, and Herbie Blash to stay away? Why would they single out active drivers?


The only reason I could think of was this...

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Also consider the service took place in the UK where we have several airports closed or having chaos with the weather conditions and most, if not all, of the current drivers will be training outside of the country. They may have been unable to get here.


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Laura23 wrote:
I know most F1 drivers may be still off finishing their holiday season etc but taking one day off it to attend the service of a man who indirectly and in some cases directly saved their lives been too hard?

The Ferrari boys were doing the Vroom event so can be excused. Hamilton is on holiday skiing, Button is in training I believe, Schumacher is retired so what is his excuse?

No Hakkinen either. That surprised me after Adelaide 95.


Your involved in a car accident, a doctor/paramedic makes a quick intervention that saves your life. 20 years later you somehow here that this person has died and a funeral is held in another country to the one you are in. Do you go to the funeral?

I am a paramedic and I doubt many of my patients will be attending my funeral.


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Laura23 wrote:
I know most F1 drivers may be still off finishing their holiday season etc but taking one day off it to attend the service of a man who indirectly and in some cases directly saved their lives been too hard?

The Ferrari boys were doing the Vroom event so can be excused. Hamilton is on holiday skiing, Button is in training I believe, Schumacher is retired so what is his excuse?

No Hakkinen either. That surprised me after Adelaide 95.


Your involved in a car accident, a doctor/paramedic makes a quick intervention that saves your life. 20 years later you somehow here that this person has died and a funeral is held in another country to the one you are in. Do you go to the funeral?

I am a paramedic and I doubt many of my patients will be attending my funeral.

Given how Sid was always around the paddock at the same time as the drivers I think it makes the situation slightly different. You might never see the doctor who treated you again, these drivers saw him every couple of weeks sometimes for several years.

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Laura23 wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
Laura23 wrote:
I know most F1 drivers may be still off finishing their holiday season etc but taking one day off it to attend the service of a man who indirectly and in some cases directly saved their lives been too hard?

The Ferrari boys were doing the Vroom event so can be excused. Hamilton is on holiday skiing, Button is in training I believe, Schumacher is retired so what is his excuse?

No Hakkinen either. That surprised me after Adelaide 95.


Your involved in a car accident, a doctor/paramedic makes a quick intervention that saves your life. 20 years later you somehow here that this person has died and a funeral is held in another country to the one you are in. Do you go to the funeral?

I am a paramedic and I doubt many of my patients will be attending my funeral.

Given how Sid was always around the paddock at the same time as the drivers I think it makes the situation slightly different. You might never see the doctor who treated you again, these drivers saw him every couple of weeks sometimes for several years.


Few of the current will ever of had regular contact with him. Personally I think they have been asked to stay away probably to prevent media intrusion.


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Isn't that a bit of a misleading quote at the end? When Sid retired in 2005, only 6 of the 2013 field were F1 drivers. Two of who were doing FIAT PR work at the time. So really it raises a small question over Mark Webber, Jenson Button, Tim O'Glock and Kimi Raikkonen. The rest of the field know Gary Hartstein as the F1 doctor.


Cometh the main who speaks sense.

This is not really Sids generation of drivers. I would like to think Mika Hakkinen attended.

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They my not have attended but I'm sure the proper gift or memorial was made by the teams and drivers.


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Yeah it says they are working on their 2013 preparations and did not attend the Private memorial probably because it was that a host of current f1 drivers show up and all of a sudden its not private, cant remember if it said Bernie was there? I doubt it as he will also attract the worlds media with his current bribery case.


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TBH I think there is a good reason for a lot of F1 drivers not being there because I think Watkins was extremely well respected, appreciated, regarded and liked by them all. Barrichello credited him with saving his life and whilst I don't particularly think much of Barrichello, he is not a person to not go to this without good reason. So if he wasn't there then I'm fully willing to give them all the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.

I think alienturnedhuman's points are probably spot on. It would have turned it into a media circus and detracted from the point and there's the travel issues to get to the UK, which actually makes sense when you look at who did attend. Some people also have a real problem with grieving publically like this and may well have stayed away and honoured Watkins privately in their own way. I can think of this being true for at least some of the F1 people, who only begrudgingly accept the public side of the sport and are fiercely protective of their private lives.

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Isn't that a bit of a misleading quote at the end? When Sid retired in 2005, only 6 of the 2013 field were F1 drivers. Two of who were doing FIAT PR work at the time. So really it raises a small question over Mark Webber, Jenson Button, Tim O'Glock and Kimi Raikkonen. The rest of the field know Gary Hartstein as the F1 doctor.

While I agree that the end quote is a little misleading, the fact that two wear "doing PR work" is no excuse.
The only excuse the six drivers who were part of Watkins' 'generation' have is if they weren't invited.


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while some current drivers might not know him as their F1 doc, every driver in the future will always benefit from what sid brought to the sport , so yes i have to agree, shame on any F1 driver who couldn't be arsed


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mikeyg123 wrote:
Laura23 wrote:
I know most F1 drivers may be still off finishing their holiday season etc but taking one day off it to attend the service of a man who indirectly and in some cases directly saved their lives been too hard?

The Ferrari boys were doing the Vroom event so can be excused. Hamilton is on holiday skiing, Button is in training I believe, Schumacher is retired so what is his excuse?

No Hakkinen either. That surprised me after Adelaide 95.


Your involved in a car accident, a doctor/paramedic makes a quick intervention that saves your life. 20 years later you somehow here that this person has died and a funeral is held in another country to the one you are in. Do you go to the funeral?

I am a paramedic and I doubt many of my patients will be attending my funeral.


I think it's a different comparison though. Sid was someone who specialised as the Doctor for a specific group of people.

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I agree with the points Alienturnedhuman made. Current F1 drivers might have taken the focus away, so maybe they were asked not to come. Only very few of them were ever going to turn up anyway since a lot of the current drivers probably didn't even know him that well.

Not that I think its the case here, but some people have different ways and ideas of dealing with people passing away. Some never attend memorials, and not due to lack of respect. I've known people who would say a memorial is just a social thing that's not really necessary. Others would say its more important to be there for a person while he is alive rather than pretending to care after he is dead.

People just have different ideas. So even if the current drivers simply chose not to come I think its unfair to judge them.

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Misinformed wrote:
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Laura23 wrote:
I know most F1 drivers may be still off finishing their holiday season etc but taking one day off it to attend the service of a man who indirectly and in some cases directly saved their lives been too hard?

The Ferrari boys were doing the Vroom event so can be excused. Hamilton is on holiday skiing, Button is in training I believe, Schumacher is retired so what is his excuse?

No Hakkinen either. That surprised me after Adelaide 95.


Your involved in a car accident, a doctor/paramedic makes a quick intervention that saves your life. 20 years later you somehow here that this person has died and a funeral is held in another country to the one you are in. Do you go to the funeral?

I am a paramedic and I doubt many of my patients will be attending my funeral.


I think it's a different comparison though. Sid was someone who specialised as the Doctor for a specific group of people.


Ok then try this one. A doctor has worked as a medic on an oil rig for 30 years. He retires and dies 8 years latter. Would you expect employees who have only worked on the rig 4 years to attend his funeral even if he had introduced safety precautions that made there job much safer?


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After 10 years you're still surprised ?

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huggybear wrote:
Isn't that a bit of a misleading quote at the end? When Sid retired in 2005, only 6 of the 2013 field were F1 drivers. Two of who were doing FIAT PR work at the time. So really it raises a small question over Mark Webber, Jenson Button, Tim O'Glock and Kimi Raikkonen. The rest of the field know Gary Hartstein as the F1 doctor.

What a ridiculous thing to say . So what Prof. Sid Watkins did benefited only those 6 drivers of the current grid ?


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Lentulus wrote:
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Isn't that a bit of a misleading quote at the end? When Sid retired in 2005, only 6 of the 2013 field were F1 drivers. Two of who were doing FIAT PR work at the time. So really it raises a small question over Mark Webber, Jenson Button, Tim O'Glock and Kimi Raikkonen. The rest of the field know Gary Hartstein as the F1 doctor.

While I agree that the end quote is a little misleading, the fact that two wear "doing PR work" is no excuse.
The only excuse the six drivers who were part of Watkins' 'generation' have is if they weren't invited.


But if Ferrari tells them they need to be somewhere, the decision for non attendance is Ferrari's fault, not theirs. It raises the issue of Ferrari's morality, not theirs.


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Lentulus wrote:
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Isn't that a bit of a misleading quote at the end? When Sid retired in 2005, only 6 of the 2013 field were F1 drivers. Two of who were doing FIAT PR work at the time. So really it raises a small question over Mark Webber, Jenson Button, Tim O'Glock and Kimi Raikkonen. The rest of the field know Gary Hartstein as the F1 doctor.

While I agree that the end quote is a little misleading, the fact that two wear "doing PR work" is no excuse.
The only excuse the six drivers who were part of Watkins' 'generation' have is if they weren't invited.


But if Ferrari tells them they need to be somewhere, the decision for non attendance is Ferrari's fault, not theirs. It raises the issue of Ferrari's morality, not theirs.


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Isn't that a bit of a misleading quote at the end? When Sid retired in 2005, only 6 of the 2013 field were F1 drivers. Two of who were doing FIAT PR work at the time. So really it raises a small question over Mark Webber, Jenson Button, Tim O'Glock and Kimi Raikkonen. The rest of the field know Gary Hartstein as the F1 doctor.

What a ridiculous thing to say . So what Prof. Sid Watkins did benefited only those 6 drivers of the current grid ?


That's a completely different thing. I'm sure you benefit from the work of numerous people one way or the other. But usually people only attend funerals/memorials if they know someone personally.

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Also consider the service took place in the UK where we have several airports closed or having chaos with the weather conditions and most, if not all, of the current drivers will be training outside of the country. They may have been unable to get here.


This. With the amount if canceled/delayed flights here, even if they wanted to come [and I agree with the point of them staying away to not make a media frenzy] they likely wouldn't have got here anyway.

The level of immaturity on this forum amazes me

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Isn't that a bit of a misleading quote at the end? When Sid retired in 2005, only 6 of the 2013 field were F1 drivers. Two of who were doing FIAT PR work at the time. So really it raises a small question over Mark Webber, Jenson Button, Tim O'Glock and Kimi Raikkonen. The rest of the field know Gary Hartstein as the F1 doctor.

What a ridiculous thing to say . So what Prof. Sid Watkins did benefited only those 6 drivers of the current grid ?


That's a completely different thing. I'm sure you benefit from the work of numerous people one way or the other. But usually people only attend funerals/memorials if they know someone personally.

Actually i was replying to this but it somehow got deleted while posting.
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huggybear wrote:
Isn't that a bit of a misleading quote at the end? When Sid retired in 2005, only 6 of the 2013 field were F1 drivers. Two of who were doing FIAT PR work at the time. So really it raises a small question over Mark Webber, Jenson Button, Tim O'Glock and Kimi Raikkonen. The rest of the field know Gary Hartstein as the F1 doctor.

While I agree that the end quote is a little misleading, the fact that two wear "doing PR work" is no excuse.
The only excuse the six drivers who were part of Watkins' 'generation' have is if they weren't invited.


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From FIA.com:
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... The service was attended by many from the world of motor sport, including FIA President Jean Todt, Formula One World champions Sir Jackie Stewart, Damon Hill and Jody Scheckter. Three-time F1 champion Stewart spoke movingly about the huge number of drivers who owe their lives and motor racing careers to the pioneering work...
I think it's fair to say that the F1 comunity was well represented and, as mentioned before, I'm sure a private service would not be so with every available F1 driver there.

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I think it's extremely unfair to read this story and just assume that the drivers didn't attend because they couldn't be bothered. To me the fact that NONE attended at all would suggest that they were not invited or were instructed to stay away. If a few had turned up and the others didn't then I might be more suspicious.

The F1 fraternity has had its opportunity to pay its respects to Sid. This event was most likely intended as a relatively low-key occasion for close friends and family only.


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Sometimes this forum is unbelievable.


After 10 years you're still surprised ?


Amazing, isn't it?

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