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Sportbild reports, McLarens Paddy Lowe is going to follow Toto Wolff (& Lewis Hamilton) to Mercedes
http://sportbild.bild.de/SPORT/formel-1 ... cedes.html

I don't know if this it true, or only a "Duck"

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This would be a very odd time to make that move. And a tremendously bad thing to do to McLaren.

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This would be a very odd time to make that move. And a tremendously bad thing to do to McLaren.



Plus the usual Gardening leave.

If it is true I'm Baffled. Cooks and broth etc etc. Unless someone is moving on.

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Johnston wrote:
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This would be a very odd time to make that move. And a tremendously bad thing to do to McLaren.



Plus the usual Gardening leave.

If it is true I'm Baffled. Cooks and broth etc etc. Unless someone is moving on.

The article says if Lowe joins, it's likely, Fry & Brawn will leave

Don#t know if this is true or just BS

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I didn't see that I don't read German too well :lol: :lol:

If it is true so much for the much vaunted Brawn/Hamilton partnership.

This whole Merc thing is getting very weird.

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Johnston wrote:
I didn't see that I don't read German too well :lol: :lol:

If it is true so much for the much vaunted Brawn/Hamilton partnership.

This whole Merc thing is getting very weird.

It's said Fry & Brawn are not really pleased about the recent "developments"
IMO, Lowe, Wolff, Fry, Brawn, Costa, Willis, are really a bit much at one team

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Can anyone fully translate it for us?

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Next personnel decision at Mercedes: Following the announcement of the Austrian Toto Wolff as its new managing director and part owner of the Mercedes Formula 1 team , the team, according to SPORT BILD information currently McLaren chief engineer Paddy Lowe recruited (50). Lowe is considered confidant of the new Mercedes drivers Lewis Hamilton and McLaren as head of the brilliant engineer collective.


Without anger should not run the deal. How SPORT BILD learned of the new Mercedes-CEO Toto Wolff has recruited the British Lowe actually for his former Williams team. He was also Managing Director today. Prepared: Now he takes the British mastermind simply to Mercedes .
The competition is listening to at the exchange. Red Bull motorsport chief Helmut Marko about the upcoming change of personnel: "This is a hammer" However, insiders also question whether Ross, the new Mercedes-constellation plus the People Lowe referred to Mercedes team boss Brawn and Nick Fry is his right hand. In England, there is speculation that the two are about to throw in the towel.


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Haribo wrote:
Johnston wrote:
I didn't see that I don't read German too well :lol: :lol:

If it is true so much for the much vaunted Brawn/Hamilton partnership.

This whole Merc thing is getting very weird.

It's said Fry & Brawn are not really pleased about the recent "developments"
IMO, Lowe, Wolff, Fry, Brawn, Costa, Willis, are really a bit much at one team

You have forgotten about Bob Bell and Mike Elliot . There are about 4 technical directors among all the names.


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sandyf1 wrote:
Haribo wrote:
Johnston wrote:
I didn't see that I don't read German too well :lol: :lol:

If it is true so much for the much vaunted Brawn/Hamilton partnership.

This whole Merc thing is getting very weird.

It's said Fry & Brawn are not really pleased about the recent "developments"
IMO, Lowe, Wolff, Fry, Brawn, Costa, Willis, are really a bit much at one team

You have forgotten about Bob Bell and Mike Elliot . There are about 4 technical directors among all the names.


and Lauda.

Maybe their plan is to hire everyone so the other teams struggle :lol: :lol:

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mercedes is becoming an F1 real madrid , taking best players from all clubs and then fail to win anything :D

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Johnston wrote:
sandyf1 wrote:
Haribo wrote:
Johnston wrote:
I didn't see that I don't read German too well :lol: :lol:

If it is true so much for the much vaunted Brawn/Hamilton partnership.

This whole Merc thing is getting very weird.

It's said Fry & Brawn are not really pleased about the recent "developments"
IMO, Lowe, Wolff, Fry, Brawn, Costa, Willis, are really a bit much at one team

You have forgotten about Bob Bell and Mike Elliot . There are about 4 technical directors among all the names.


and Lauda.

Maybe their plan is to hire everyone so the other teams struggle :lol: :lol:

Johnston wrote:
sandyf1 wrote:
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Johnston wrote:
I didn't see that I don't read German too well :lol: :lol:

If it is true so much for the much vaunted Brawn/Hamilton partnership.

This whole Merc thing is getting very weird.

It's said Fry & Brawn are not really pleased about the recent "developments"
IMO, Lowe, Wolff, Fry, Brawn, Costa, Willis, are really a bit much at one team

You have forgotten about Bob Bell and Mike Elliot . There are about 4 technical directors among all the names.


and Lauda.

Maybe their plan is to hire everyone so the other teams struggle :lol: :lol:

I had thought of exactly the same thing . Only other reason i can think of paddy lowe going, is lauda convincing the mercedes board to start with a clean slate .


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Headlines.

McLaren to close F1 team.

Ron Dennis says. "We were relying on Gap Year students. Now they are all away to Mercedes."

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Johnston wrote:
sandyf1 wrote:
Haribo wrote:
Johnston wrote:
I didn't see that I don't read German too well :lol: :lol:

If it is true so much for the much vaunted Brawn/Hamilton partnership.

This whole Merc thing is getting very weird.

It's said Fry & Brawn are not really pleased about the recent "developments"
IMO, Lowe, Wolff, Fry, Brawn, Costa, Willis, are really a bit much at one team

You have forgotten about Bob Bell and Mike Elliot . There are about 4 technical directors among all the names.


and Lauda.

Maybe their plan is to hire everyone so the other teams struggle :lol: :lol:

Helmut Marko should be save, and Martin Whitmarsh, too

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whatever that is , someone high in mercedes got really tiddled from results last season and really took charge of the mess starting by hiring lewis

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Throwing a load of bodies at the problem doesn't usually work out too well though.

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Mercedes seem to rise in a super-team in F1.

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Good luck to him if he goes, what I find strange is that most of these people prior to teaming up with Lewis were labeled average or overrated but as soon as linked or signed they become the best thing since sliced bread!

Isn't Paddy partly responsible for the McLaren letting Lewis down in 2012?!

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SilverstoneRegular wrote:

Isn't Paddy partly responsible for the McLaren letting Lewis down in 2012?!



Nevermind that, wasn't he behind the '09 mp4-24?

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Johnston wrote:
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Isn't Paddy partly responsible for the McLaren letting Lewis down in 2012?!



Nevermind that, wasn't he behind the '09 mp4-24?

IMo it was Pat Fry

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Haribo wrote:
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Isn't Paddy partly responsible for the McLaren letting Lewis down in 2012?!



Nevermind that, wasn't he behind the '09 mp4-24?

IMo it was Pat Fry


See! Now he could be back with Lewis all his gaffs will be forgiven

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SilverstoneRegular wrote:
Haribo wrote:
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Isn't Paddy partly responsible for the McLaren letting Lewis down in 2012?!



Nevermind that, wasn't he behind the '09 mp4-24?

IMo it was Pat Fry


See! Now he could be back with Lewis all his gaffs will be forgiven

Pat Fry is he leaving Ferrari?

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Haribo wrote:
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Isn't Paddy partly responsible for the McLaren letting Lewis down in 2012?!



Nevermind that, wasn't he behind the '09 mp4-24?

IMo it was Pat Fry

Actually it was both. Lowe was Engineering Director and Fry was Chief Engineer. Lowe had the more important position though.

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I think u would find that tim goss is the one who designs bricks sorry i mean cars at mclaren

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It strikes me if all these moves occur, that Mercedes is going to have a lot of duplication of responsibilities (or percieved domains) in its organization, which usually, in many businesses, seems to get resolved by departures after the arrivals start establishing them own power inside the organization.

Given the timing, I wonder if, the new blood would be focused on the 2014 vehicle as its a bit late to have much impact on car that will take the grid in Melbourne... and if the 2013 car won't be the swan song for a number of the key returning personel, ala Brawn?

Or, not to start the conspiracy type stuff, whether it could mean that things have not gone smoothly between November and now at Merc, and its become apparent that for 2013 and beyond a major makeover must be done?

I've been going through watching the 2012 races, up to Korea now, and see Haug so present on the grid, it seems like until the last 2 days or so that he was the sacrifice for disappointing results, and that would be it. It would seem odd to have him fall on his sword for the results in December and then late January, this deep into the development start cleaning house further. If other people were deemed as responsible, back then... not now seems the time to have made the changes.

That's why I do wonder if its a sign of displeasure with how the team is coming together for 2013 (unless it is a case that Lowe or others are being brought in to focus on the 2014 car).


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I think u would find that tim goss is the one who designs bricks sorry i mean cars at mclaren



Is he not an engineer rather than designer?

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Johnston wrote:
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I think u would find that tim goss is the one who designs bricks sorry i mean cars at mclaren



Is he not an engineer rather than designer?


Thought Macca ran two separate design teams alternating each year?


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If Lowe is leaving,then good luck to him! That said i can't help but feel this a big mistake by Merc, way too many designers.

Oh well, gives Lewis fans something to use as an excuse as to why he isn't winning all races! ( Joke! Please don't shoot me )

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Wait...Pat Fry? Have I missed something? Is he not still penning Ferraris?

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Wait...Pat Fry? Have I missed something? Is he not still penning Ferraris?

I believe so.

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ashley313 wrote:
Wait...Pat Fry? Have I missed something? Is he not still penning Ferraris?

You obviously haven't seen tomorrow's Sport Bild exclusive scoop!


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Jezick wrote:
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I think u would find that tim goss is the one who designs bricks sorry i mean cars at mclaren



Is he not an engineer rather than designer?


Thought Macca ran two separate design teams alternating each year?


Thats right, that's what they always used to do. Not sure if they still do.

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Good luck to him if he goes, what I find strange is that most of these people prior to teaming up with Lewis were labeled average or overrated but as soon as linked or signed they become the best thing since sliced bread!

Isn't Paddy partly responsible for the McLaren letting Lewis down in 2012?!


Don't really understand where you've got this idea that Lowe was a key player in letting Lewis down. To be honest I've never heard Paddy Lowe mentioned once in a Lewis conspiracy post, its always been Whitmarsh and Sam Michael

And quick question what is your unhealthy obsession with Lewis Hamilton fans and how they think? You're forgetting a couple of fans do not reflect the same views as the rest of his fans.


OnTopic: It seems Bild are really pumping out the rumours lately, they reported the Toto Wolff and Timo Glock stories first and they turned out to be correct, so this could well be true.

As a Mclaren fan, I don't want it to happen, especially going off the 2012 car and how quick it actually was it'll be a major let down.

Mercedes seem to be poaching everyone at the moment and could prove to be a successful team if all goes right. Surely Paddy will have to take gardening leave though.

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I don't see this as a good move for both teams. Mclaren would be letting go of the man responsible for the fastest car in 2012 and Mercedes would be now up to their 3rd ( i think) tech director which would only cause conflicted opinions.

Merc under the Brawn guidance should have the roles sorted out and can maybe avoid the problem, while Mclaren. Ould have the next Adrian Newey ready to take over. Who knows!


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It's actually kind of sly for Toto. Head hunting a guy for your team. They obviously would have thought they were getting someone and then poaching him before he's even started.

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Hmmmm? I wonder if Norbert is recruiting his old mates for a project and Merc have got wind of it (or are behind it)

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What the hell is going on at Merc? Since I became baffled as to why they have so many senior designers and engineers they've employed about three more!

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Brawn set to leave too??


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M.Nader -DODZ- wrote:
I don't see this as a good move for both teams. Mclaren would be letting go of the man responsible for the fastest car in 2012 and Mercedes would be now up to their 3rd ( i think) tech director which would only cause conflicted opinions.

Merc under the Brawn guidance should have the roles sorted out and can maybe avoid the problem, while Mclaren. Ould have the next Adrian Newey ready to take over. Who knows!



Is he responsible for Lewis's mechanical problems too? Who is the head of engineering at Macca?


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