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i agree EJ does sometimes get it right but remember he normally comes out with 4-5 rumors a year and yes he does get some right but not all, to be honest any people who used to confide in him probably doesn't anymore after he has proved time and again he can't keep quiet about anything, which one of these days or possibly has already destroyed a potential deal or two.



Sometimes things get leaked for a reason.

Who better to leak it to than to someone you know will use it?

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True and i fully agree something's are, i do believe the first rumor of Hamilton to merc was done by merc to detract from their mid season slump, which subsequently became a 1/2 season slump. But it can also be said that on it can also do more harm than good, lets face it Hamilton himself said he hadn't decided until after Singapore either way Jordan had already assured everyone before that he would move so either Jordan can see the future or he took a gamble on a rumor knowing they had approached LH. I know which one i believe. As for the lowe rumor i will go out on a limb and say he still may go to Williams and that Williams will get merc engines with lowe eventually taking over sir franks duties.

now that is all conjecture but if it happens i shall be held with such reverence as EJ


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True and i fully agree something's are, i do believe the first rumor of Hamilton to merc was done by merc to detract from their mid season slump, which subsequently became a 1/2 season slump. But it can also be said that on it can also do more harm than good, lets face it Hamilton himself said he hadn't decided until after Singapore either way Jordan had already assured everyone before that he would move so either Jordan can see the future or he took a gamble on a rumor knowing they had approached LH. I know which one i believe. As for the lowe rumor i will go out on a limb and say he still may go to Williams and that Williams will get merc engines with lowe eventually taking over sir franks duties.

now that is all conjecture but if it happens i shall be held with such reverence as EJ



I was actually thinking it was to put a bit of tension on the Macca Lewis relationship.

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Could be but i think it was strained already and if nothing else nearly scuppered the deal as McLaren upped their offer considerably


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All the personnel moves potential and actual are mind-boggling.
Mercedes must have a lot at stake though, being such high profile manufacturers worldwide, in poll a couple of years ago, the two most respected brand names in the world were mercedes-benz and Cambridge University.

So Mercedes buying whoever they think can help is understandable. Top-heaviness and too many chiefs can be dangerous though ,as many posters point out. Not to mention personality clashes.

Pat Symonds reckoned the reason the 'Brawn and Co' team have not re-produced their previous success in the 2010 to 2012 seasons is that one member is missing: Rory Byrne. Symonds wrote that Brawn was not a designer, that Byrne did the design work.

Going to be an expensive season 2013 (marketing,image and moneywise) if the Merc is not ready/fast enough. But as many posters write, that may be their plan to use 2013 as prep for 2014. Daimler-Benz have always planned ahead: for 1914 they used their Belgian agent to race three types of car in the 1913 French GP in prep for 1914's full return; in 1951-1952 they used pre-war 1939 cars in minor S American races and the 300SL in sports-car racing to prep the team for 1954.

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Bring Ross Brawn to Lotus!


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BBC republish April 2012's Ross Brawn career highlights video

It's almost as if he's retiring :-P

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http://www.worldcarfans.com/113012252935/lowe-to-follow-hamilton-to-mercedes---report

Brawn set to leave too??

Good riddance.

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yes, because as much as people like to think of Eddie Jordan as an oracle he is just an eccentric who relays rumour as fact himself who does on occasion get it right but very often doesn't as well.


An eccentric, yes, but a well informed one. He got Schumacher to Mercedes right and Hamilton to the same place three years later. I'm willing to take his word for it this time, particularly because Brawn's departure would make more sense with Wolff's arrival.

Anyway, the main thing I'm objecting to is a slagging off of Andrew Benson on pretty shaky grounds. I'm indifferent towards the man but he is reporting new information given to him by a source who has got it right the last few times. If that is poor journalism then all sports reporting is poor journalism.

i agree EJ does sometimes get it right but remember he normally comes out with 4-5 rumors a year and yes he does get some right but not all, to be honest any people who used to confide in him probably doesn't anymore after he has proved time and again he can't keep quiet about anything, which one of these days or possibly has already destroyed a potential deal or two.

I remember 2 big rumors by him that were widely picked by media. Firstly everyone laughed when EJ said that MS is combing back, then no body wanted to acknowledge that Lewis goes to Mercedes. I don't remember any other rumors. Unless you analyze every words he says, there were only 2 serious rumors and predictions. Don't ignore EJ, especially when he says something about Mercedes. So far all his rumors about Mercedes team were true. He has some insight.

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although some are still unaccounted for, someone surely needs to replace the role that Norbet was in? I know Luada is in a similar position, but it would remain a way to keep Brawn and Co in place


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although some are still unaccounted for, someone surely needs to replace the role that Norbet was in? I know Luada is in a similar position, but it would remain a way to keep Brawn and Co in place

I thought that was Wolff's new role?

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Yeah but as i said Lewis himself hadn't decided by that point so the only thing he could have known is that they had approached him and probably knew it was a very lucrative offer. As for schumai coming back yes he did say it but it had been mooted on various other forums and news articles that it was a possibility. He himself was ready to return the previous season had he been cleared on medical grounds at Ferrari, to join up with brawn in a German team other than Ferrari would have been the only other team he would have considered at the time not to mention they were wcc at the time of rebranding.


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Saying something is an absolute fact in an article when you have team members denying anything about it and have no solid basis to prove your claims is poor journalism.

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Saying something is an absolute fact in an article when you have team members denying anything about it and have no solid basis to prove your claims is poor journalism.

Luca also denied hiring Alonso when he was in Spain surrounded by Santander officials.. Teams are just being nice, because they want to directly tell people involved that they must go, rather than doing it via press.

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The Merc circus continues ...... Shumi must be laughing


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Funny, Benson's article has been updated and reworded. Not Merc only have a plan to get rid of Brawn, it hasn't happened as of yet.

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potter84 wrote:
yes, because as much as people like to think of Eddie Jordan as an oracle he is just an eccentric who relays rumour as fact himself who does on occasion get it right but very often doesn't as well.
Exactly, even a dead clock is right twice a day.


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This would be a very odd time to make that move. And a tremendously bad thing to do to McLaren.



Plus the usual Gardening leave.

If it is true I'm Baffled. Cooks and broth etc etc. Unless someone is moving on.


It was already a case of too many cooks and I think that was part of the problem.


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Perhaps the hiring of Schumacher is what has cost Ross his job.

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Perhaps the hiring of Schumacher is what has cost Ross his job.


More likely that the bosses saw the two as linked, and that if Ross couldn't get the best out of him then nobody else could. Ross has had his shot with the team, don't forget that he was at Honda before they became Brawn...everyone kept waiting for him to deliver but even when they lucked upon a car that was a second faster than everyone else he still made some decidedly dodgy strategy calls from the pit wall, we all remember Rubens' 'Blah blahing'.

I think that while the damage to his reputation is nothing like Schumi's over the past few years, he's had his time to make a difference and he has overseen little in the way of improvement in his time with Mercedes.

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I wonder if he is starting to regret selling his final shares ?

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to me this all but comfirms IF maldanardo does good this year he will be with merc for 2014 any one else?


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I wonder if he is starting to regret selling his final shares ?


i read that toto still has them just no seat on the board


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GODISMYCOPILOT wrote:
to me this all but comfirms IF maldanardo does good this year he will be with merc for 2014 any one else?


Sorry but I don't see the link with Maldonado, please explain


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Why would they want Pasta? He is massively inconsistent and doesn't fit with their brand image at all. Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE (for the sheer comedy) to see Lewis and Pasta occupying the same bit of track regularly, and crashing into each other as teammates, but that seems really unlikely.

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GODISMYCOPILOT wrote:
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I wonder if he is starting to regret selling his final shares ?


i read that toto still has them just no seat on the board



I Meant Brawns shares in Merc.

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Johnston wrote:
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I wonder if he is starting to regret selling his final shares ?


i read that toto still has them just no seat on the board



I Meant Brawns shares in Merc.


it smells of a cover story tbh he say hes calling it a day and gets a pay of to make it look good rather than it looking like they pap'd him

also seems to me a total reshuffle from the head with norbert going as well

he and Nick Fry kept a 24.9% steak in merc so it will cost them big if they relay want him gone for good


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Nick and Brawn sold their stake at the beginning of '11.

Which means it won't cost Merc barr the usual pay off fees and Puts Ross in a weaker position too as he's no longer a share holder.

He could have put silly money on his stake if they wanted completely rid of him if he still had them.

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All I will say on this subject are 2 things…

First… just as I said of the hiring of Mike D'antoni… In what world, in what scenario and in what capacity is D'antoni a better fit IN ANY SITUATION OVER Phill Jackson??!?!?!?!? As we can see, the results confirm a great big HELLS NAW!!! Same applies here IMPO.

Second… I think Lewis is gonna be tiddled OFF BIGTIME!!!

All the shuffling is fine but when an organization is in a transitional period, it makes sense to keep at least some of the personnel and components in place in order to maintain some sort of stability and infrastructure. "IF" Ross is out, and in my opinion that's a big "IF", Mercedes will be hard pressed to find someone better and more capable. As with Phil Jackson, the guy's track record and fists full of championship rings trump that of ANY resume of ANY up and comer.

Sure, as with Brawn, Fry and a slew of others who were on the very new and very inexperienced Benetton F1 team, younger guys will certainly be a few diamonds in the rough, but when you have someone the likes of a Ross Brawn or a Ron Dennis or a Frank Williams, you'd be hard pressed to find someone to fill their very large and accomplished shoes. These aren't your typical old geezers who allow technology pass them by. They are int he business of technology and they are superb at their job.

If Ross is escorted out of Mercedes, the question I have is will he and Michael start up their own F1 team? Both those guys together attract plenty of sponsorship and media attention and both have many contacts to be able to do so. That's something I certainly wouldn't mind seeing.

Before you smarty pants guys chime in… Yes that's 4 things. :P :D

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Nothing screams "totally past it" more than a Michael and Ross reunion tour. God, spare us.

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paddy lowe will be the team prinicpal of williams . but dont tell anyone


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Nothing screams "totally past it" more than a Michael and Ross reunion tour. God, spare us.



The second car being shared by Piquet Herbert and Brundle :lol: :lol: :lol:

Although it could be a way back for Barri.

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Wow Ashley, you never cease to pass up an opportunity to make yourself look clueless! Image

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Seems like my guess of 3-5 years is coming true... I think Merc board is making the final push, after that I'll be pleasantly surprised if they're still here. Lewis must be going over his contract now with his management, looking for get out of jail free card. I just hope he doesn't become JV v 2.0, Mercedes is but rebadged team BAR.

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Wow Ashley, you never cease to pass up an opportunity to make yourself look clueless! Image

What part of the last 3 years gives you a good feeling about Ross and Michael starting a new team?

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Nothing screams "totally past it" more than a Michael and Ross reunion tour. God, spare us.



The second car being shared by Piquet Herbert and Brundle :lol: :lol: :lol:

Although it could be a way back for Barri.

Oh, yes please. We desperately need uncle Rubens back.

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What part of the last 3 years gives you a good feeling about Ross and Michael starting a new team?


Yes, it was not a dream come true in terms of results, but I'd rather have a new team started by people who love F1. Schumacher loves F1... Even Ferrari took 3 odd years before the car was competitive proper.

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You say "rather" like there is a dispassionate start up looking to buy a grid slot. I don't think anyone is after it at the moment. Let the resources Batman and Robin have access to help make one or some of the current teams better. The pie is not infinite - more teams, smaller slices for everyone.

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Nothing screams "totally past it" more than a Michael and Ross reunion tour. God, spare us.

to be honest if they could get enough finance behind the team i think they could i don't mean Michael as a driver unless maybe the first season to get them up and going but a brawn schumi team could bring in backers schumi may not be the driver he was but in sure he and brawn combined would make a great team a bit like head and Williams brawn the tech side schumi i think could be a good team principle type figure head, i do think brawn prefers the tech behind the scenes thing schumi and him know each other and know they aren't out to stab each other in the back... Stranger things have happened, in sure Bernie would love schumi around the patch also as schumacher=£££


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As for starting from scratch str is for sale not to mention other teams that might be looking for an out (FI) maybe


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