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Thanks for making my point..

that fairy cakes as you call it started before the 2nd half of the season,Alonso has been signing praises of Lewis ever since the end of the 2009 season.

*kicks you*

I didn't make your point, quit lying.

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I know it's been going on for years, but it got way more consistent when it became a clear Alonso vs Vettel title fight last year.

Wasn't the last time that Alonso made that sort of comment just before the Singapore GP? And at that stage in the season, it really did look like Hamilton was going to be his biggest challenger.

You sound like you're a little slow..So we agree that Alonso and Hamilton lie just like any other normal human being..So what makes you feel this sudden new found mutual respect is not a lie?

You missed the point about you lying. By your logic, actually I will give you more credit.... By your'agenda' because someone has lied before every statement they make or statements that do not sit well worth you.... CLEARLY must be a lie.

And by that thinking since you've clearly lied before, you are just trolling saying that Alonso and Lewis considering each other to be the best driver is also a lie...... When really the majority of fans think the same.

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Yes, that is what I am waiting for.

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How does it matter how much or if at all Alonso admires Hamilton or not? It doesn't matter if Hamilton considers Alonso better than Vettel! It doesn't win you world championships. Adrian Newey is someone Alonso was fighting for the title because of his choices. It was his choice to move to Ferrari. The point very simply remains that best car or bad car, Newey or not, Vettel @ 25 is a more successful driver than the two. That's it.

How much should one value Alonso's and Hamilton's opinion is personal discretion. For my sake, I care less what Alonso says.

In 2006', winning a WDC was winning one in a non Ferrari. Today, it's all about that.
In 2007', Massa deserved the title more than Hamilton in his words. Today, Hamilton is Christ.

Such people in my book are a laughing stock when they open their mouth.

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No and they both have a bigger portfolio of teammates to gauge themselves against as opposed to Vettel

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At least they have that comparison to draw from though, we will never see Vettel paired with either Hamilton or Alonso

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It seems that all but Vettel fans are prepared to say that Alonso is the best

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I think that he believes that Alonso is the only driver that can beat him

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When has that happened in the last 3 years?

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and Vettel has the journey man webber and the rocketship of the redbull

And the statistics, trophys, wdc, wcc titles that noone in the 2013 field can match, poor guy

Well i believe Webber to be more of a journeyman driver but its clear that both Vettel and Red Bull are very comfortable with Vettel having Webber has a teammate

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He's certainly made the most of the opportunity given to him by Red Bull

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To be fair if I had the skills of Vettel, I'd be glad to have Webber as my team mate.
And if I had the awesome skills of Nando, I'd be glad to have Massa as my team mate.
If I had the bitchin' skills of Hamilton, I'd be glad to have... well I suppose Kovalainen as my team mate.

They've all had such team mates at one point, Vettel just hasn't had that world champ team mate at any point. And why would he need to? Going back through the history books, who looks at say Jackie Stewart and says "yes he won these titles, but his team mate was ______ so it's not THAT impressive." Not many look at who the team mate was after a while. Does anyone give Alonso hell for having Fisi as a team mate, or Schumi for having Rubens as a teammate etc etc. It doesn't matter. Titles matter.

Still... I'd LIKE to see Vettel in the same team as Alonso/Hamilton just to see the ensuing epicness.

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I think everyone wants to see Vettel in the same team as either Alonso, Hamilton or Raikonnen.

That would be an epic season indeed

It won't happen though, much like you would never see a true topliner matched against Schumacher during the dominant years at Ferrari

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It will happen, Webber won't drive a career as long as Vettel.
But why would Red Bull change what they are doing, they have been dominant now for 3 years?

Your first paragraph is the crux of the matter IMO. And it seems that almost everyone here is missing it. Whether genuine, sincere, political or fallacious, in the end, whatever Alonso, Hamilton, Vettel, Marko or anyone else says is nothing but personal opinion. The only real value it has is what we arbitrarily assign in our own personal opinions later. (Btw by the same logic, our own personal opinions have no real value except for what others assign them in their own personal opinion and so ad infinitum.)

I honestly believe that most of the problems in this forum stem from people failing to realize this and believing that such opinions hold a universal value and will therefore be used as facts. And this is the true logical fallacy: personal opinions, even those of Alonso or Hamilton or anyone else are not facts and are not absolute truths.

So in the end, what does it really matter that Alonso thinks Hamilton is the best driver to compete against him?

And while on this subject, what’s the exact meaning and definition of “THE BEST DRIVER”?

Personally I find these comments hilarious and I’m surprised the respective teams aren’t trying to put an end to them. “The two best drivers” were beaten by Kimi in 2007, barely beat Massa in 2008 and haven’t won anything since even though they’ve been driving for “the two best teams”. What does that say about Ferrari and McLaren when compared to RedBull? It’s four years running now that Red Bull has them both beat despite having worse drivers.

Malaysia 2011 comes to mind. We can discount Spa last year as someone else was the catalyst.

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That's exactly my point

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Yes i remembered after posting, that didn't seem to cause much of a problem between the two of them though

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Yes, although both got penalties, neither seemed to blame the other. IIRC.

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They penalised Alonso for damaging his own car, ridiculous

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Malaysia 2011 comes to mind. We can discount Spa last year as someone else was the catalyst.[/quote]
Yes i remembered after posting, that didn't seem to cause much of a problem between the two of them though[/quote]


Yes, although both got penalties, neither seemed to blame the other. IIRC.[/quote]
They penalised Alonso for damaging his own car, ridiculous[/quote]

I think they called it causing an avoidable accident even though he didn't appear to damage the McLaren. Could have done a Narain job on the tyre though.

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Well the penalty was a nonesense

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At the the time I remember thinking that both penalties were unnecessary.

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I agree

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