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With the Winter Olympics coming, Sochi Mayor Anatoly Pakhomov made the announcement for a November race.

http://www.crash.net/f1/news/187516/1/r ... _date.html

don't know what the weather is like there that time of year, but pirelli have to bring snow tyres?

Nope. The average temp in Nov is 10C. They'll be just fine.

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Still cold by F1 standards

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As an aside, can't wait for Sochi 2014!

Sorry...just love the Winter Olympics...

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Wasnt the Nurburgring around the same as well?

We all do. Especially when it comes to Ice Hockey.

By. Saying -10 c I believe you missed a decimal point, it's closer to -100 c

Coldest Grand Prix Ever?

they made a correction today - information was with a mistake. It will take place in October.

http://www.f1news.ru/news/f1-82459.html

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Russia, November, October... are we all thinking the same? =D

I'm thinking of the special podium hats.

how about a little bit of geography? it helps to think. While Sochi is a winter sport resort during winter, it is a very hot summer resort due to subtropical climate. Official summer season for 'resort' is from May till middle of September.
in October there is still warm sea and people are swimming and sun bathing, although it is on a chilly side and not as many people go there as in summer

Temperature in October is about +18C during day and +11C during night. So, for the race it is probably not warm, but wasn't it like this in US this year?

More worrying is the fact that climate is very humid and in October it can be very rainy and windy.


EDIT - here is a map of subtropical areas of the world - shows a 'pocket' that Sochi is in
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... opical.png

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Look at the location of Sochi on a map. It's more or less just another pan-European race, instead of having it's own geographical identity. (Think snow clad mountains in the backdrop of the landscape, and fir trees lining the track. Okay kidding, but you get the point.)

Before giving that Geography lesson, you should had taken into account History, maybe that was what I was trying to point out.

The temps will be absolutely fine. Nothing to worry about. It's been colder in Britain, Germany and probably a few times in the US.

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IMO every circuit (or as many as possible) should bring an entirely different challenge to the teams. For instance, we have Monza, with a specially made aero package, that's not used anywhere else, a night race, a twisty race, a desert race, a pointless race, a zero overtaking race, a dusty race, a humid race, a no-grip race, and so forth.

When I first heard of the Russian GP, I was hoping it would be in a negative to zero temps climate to see how the teams deal with the frigid, denser air and it's completely different demands on the engine. Less cooling would be required, thereby allowing teams to maximize bodywork aero, without the need to compromise on sidepod and air intake sizes. Getting tyres and brakes up to optimum temps would be another challenge for the teams and drivers, and would separate the wheat from the chaff. Snow could admittedly cause havoc, but a non-prone-to rain->snowfall location could have been chosen npnp.

You can't have an F1 race in below zero temps. It'd far too dangerous IMO. The tyres would never heat up and cars would just spin off everywhere within a few laps.

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I think that place may not by cold enough to host Winter Olympic Games. There was no snow in Sochi in December last year.

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It doesn't have to be. Could be an indoor facility with faux snow.

It's not possible for most of winter sports. The snow will always be made, but I fear it could be like Vancouver or worse.

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The whole point in the Winter Games is to have it in a cold climate. Faux snow won't do at all, has to be real or not at all. You can't have Olympic Skiing indoors, the course is far too large. Same with Ski Jumping and the Biathlon.

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The organizers surely have something planned for such a prestigious event. If what you say is true, then it should be pretty darn cold. But then, you also say F1 cars can't race in such conditions. Anyways I fear this thread is going way off topic.

It'll go somewhere else. They do the same thing with the Summer Olympics in case of the worst.

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Only the indoor events of the Winter Olympics are being held in Sochi itself. The Alpine and Nordic events will be held in Krasnaya Polyana, a winter sports resort in the mountains about 40 km from Sochi. With an altitude ranging from 560 metres ASL to 2,320 metres it gets plenty of snow and has already hosted two World Cup ski races.



(photo taken a few days ago)

Good.

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Placid, can you change the title to October since that's what the revised report says? Thanks.

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Well....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wyjc-EOA_O4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luBIaBXM4iU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Dkys6csRws

Why would it spin off? Sub zero doesn't mean ice/snow.

Didn't they practice in Austin or Maybe quali with Frost on the track?

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Why can't it be after Hungary? Add another race before the break and it makes sense to race during that late July into August and also it would make sense for traveling.

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Teams sometimes test in temps below 0. Ferrari had launch and shakedown below zero in 2010 or 11. 0 doesn't mean ice.

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I didn't say it meant ice. Getting temp into the tyres is just about impossible when it's that cold. The cars would spin off left right and centre in race conditions.

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They would not. Winter tests sometimes take place at very low temperatures. Beside that teams would adjust cars.

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They would be way way more likely to spin off in race conditions. There was a reason the tyre warmer ban was scrapped, because teams thought it too dangerous to have cold tyres in race conditions. Simple as that.

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That's exactly that though. They're tests. In a race environment, it wouldn't be safe to have 24 drivers charging into the first few corners with barely up to temperature tires and breaks.

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A snowy grand prix would be awesome!

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They are just your assumptions. Anyway they have already driven in Austin where they needed few laps to warm up the tires.

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It's not my assumptions. The teams already scrapped the no tyre warmer rule because they felt it dangerous. So would racing on a track which has a very very low surface temp. Testing is fine because it isn't wheel to wheel, drivers don't need to push as much. Racing would be a whole different kettle of fish.

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Would love to see Pirelli come out with a new set of "Cold" tyres for these kind of races. Tyres, which have the working range at a lower temperature spectrum, resulting in better grip early on, but more prone to wear when the tyres start heating up somewhat after some laps. Teams would probably be allowed to use them at Austin, Nurburgring and Sochi. More variety is never a bad thing.